Is it possible for a high SMV Christian man to respond to an IOI in a Christ-like manner?
Readership: High SMV Christian men;
As far as I can tell from the comments, Wednesday’s post was a miss. So I need to go over it again.
Σ Frame: Wimmin at the Well (2020 July 15)
Jason accurately commented,
“Well this post is written for high / higher SMP men… …and they are pretty much married, and do have options and choices.”
This is not a criticism (as Derek said). This is assumed as a fact. The targeted readership for that essay is high SMV Christian men. It is obvious that single Christian men need to learn how to handle IOI’s efficaciously. But in general, women are also attracted to men who are taken, due to pre-selection among other things, so married men also get a lot of IOI’s. Thus, married Christian men also need to learn how to handle IOI’s too. It is also assumed that the high SMV man is the prize, which means that he has options and choices, and he is not so desperate to shed his load.
The larger question addressed in that post is what a Christian man should do in response to a woman’s IOI’s.
Let’s break this down. When responding to IOI’s, what are the choices that these high SMV men have?
The basic choices are…
- Ignore it.
- Acknowledge and escalate (presumably to coitus, according to her desire).
- Acknowledge and reframe the situation into something redemptive.
There are other choices (e.g. “acknowledge and s1ut shame her”), but I will dismiss these as being unconstructive to the following discussion.
Choice 1 is a miss.
Choice 2 is not a Christian response.
Choice 3 is the oft overlooked (if not absolutely esoteric) Christian response.
So what does Choice 3 look like?
Ed’s comment (which was cited in the last post) speaks to this question, but no one else has addressed this question. In fact, this question has never before been entertained in the entire Manosphere, to my knowledge.
I am disappointed that, with 36 comments so far, no one has made any comment on the main idea of that post — how to deal with IOI’s in a Christ-like manner. There has even been a lot of high-faluting talk arguing to the contrary, even to question the authority of Christ in the matter!
“As I read the book of John, I come to the unmistakable sense that absent the will of the Father, Jesus had no power at all, that is, there was nothing [no divine privilege] to avoid using.”
SMH… My Bible says differently. In John 10:30 Jesus says,
“I and My Father are One.”
While we ponder what that might mean, over in Matthew it says,
“And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” ~ Matthew 28:18-20 (NKJV)
“Making disciples” includes those women giving out IOI’s, like the woman at the well.
Someone could argue that Jesus wasn’t granted all power and authority until after His resurrection, but since we are living after His resurrection, it still applies to us. In addition, we also now have the Holy Spirit available to us, which apparently was not available to Old Testament believers.
I take all this to mean that Jesus’ authority is the same as God’s authority. Jesus’ will is the same as God’s will.
We had better believe that Jesus has all power and authority in heaven and earth, or else our faith is worthless!
The fundamental question we are getting at here is whether this power and authority is available to the current day believer in certain forms. Ed suggested that it all depends on God’s purpose for your life. It seems like Derek, AngloSaxon, et al. are saying that it’s not available. As Derek said,
“Honeycomb, Sharkly, and Bee all liked this comment. That’s four people who all agreed that the premise of your post is ridiculous because Jesus’ interactions with women do not translate to anyone else, due to his divinity. I suspect some may find the notion that Jesus was worried about IOIs and dating to border on blasphemy, as evidenced by the vehement objection to Ed’s response.”
Imagine that! Jesus was “worried” about IOI’s! Project much?
Again, Derek writes,
“I mostly ignored your post because I thought it was ridiculous for a bunch of different reasons.”
So, even though he “ignored” the main post, he can still churn out 1,312 words in 10 comments to discuss the matter. Should I really take that seriously? The original post only had 759 words! TL;DR?
Assuming that they are commenting on topic, “ridiculous” would mean that receiving, reading, and dealing with IOI’s as Jesus did would be miracles out of our reach.
Honestly, if I were a younger Christian man reading through those comments, it would be easy for me to see the overall consensus and conclude that it’s unrealistic to expect that a man could respond to IOI’s in a Christ-like way, as if that would be some kind of miracle.
<<<begin sarcasm>>> What a great excuse to choose option 2! <<<gleeful sarcasm>>>
<<<more sarcasm>>> Better yet, just choose option 1 and go MGTOW! <<<end sarcasm>>>
I’m not convinced about that, and Derek’s arguments haven’t changed that at all.
Furthermore, if most men think that reading and handling IOI’s in a Christian manner is a preposterous oxymoron — a “miracle”, then I can totally understand why some people think Christian men are total losers in the SMP.
I want to challenge Christian men to believe that dealing with IOI’s can be redemptive if handled properly. The livelihood of our churches and the sanctity of our Christian marriages depends on it!
But it seems like I’m writing to an empty audience. The real miracle is for a Christian man to believe that he is indeed high SMV, and that he can get any IOI’s at all!
Note: When commenting, please stay on topic.
- Dalrock: Overcivilized men, uncivilized women. (2010 November 21)
- Dalrock: How should Christian men respond to slutty women? Marry them! (2012 January 23)
- Σ Frame: Trajectories (2020 February 28)
- Σ Frame: No Authority to give “Consent” (2020 March 6)
- Σ Frame: Fighting Fires (2020 March 20)