The Logic of WGTOW

Women Going Their Own Way.

Readership: All
Theme: Problems with The Red Pill / Infighting
Length: 1,600 words
Reading Time: 8 minutes + one 34 minute video

Intro

In general, The Red Pill and its many variant offshoots, such as MGTOW, are utterly repulsive to women, and for a multitude of reasons which fall into one or more of the following categories.

• Men getting more of something and/or Women getting less of it (e.g. goods and services, a favorable market position, moral superiority, power, influence, status, etc.)
• It violates their ego / false self-image / Feeelz / pride / solipsism.
• An aversion to accountability, agency, responsibility, etc.
• An allergic reaction to truth, beauty, and goodness.
• The very idea of any of the above.

With the partial exception of the first, women cannot use any of these reasons to justify rejecting the fundamental truths of The Red Pill, because doing so does not strengthen their position.  Even the first sounds whiny.

Women’s most effective argument to date, as we will see below, is that the truths of The Red Pill, and Men in general, are an inconvenience and/or a hindrance to their own aspirations (e.g. averting their Existential Fear, control / social dominance, hypergamy, garnering resources, ‘independence’, etc.), which are deemed superior to all others.  The first point above is coopted to explain the various inconveniences.

The WGTOW Argument

Info shared the following video, saying,

“Now I have a video like this one shown to me via Algorithm* and the connection to the rise of the 4B movement.**  This is happening in parallel to the rise of the Manosphere.  It’s their own version of the MGTOW movement.”

* This YouTube account was just opened on 2024/3/14.  On 2024/6/10, she had 1,250 subscribers, but her channel had only been viewed 987 times.  (See adjacent image.)  How the hәll did that happen?  By 2024/6/14, just 4 days later, the numbers were 2,270 and 18,382, respectively. It’s obviously being promoted by The Algorithm™.

** In case readers are wondering, here’s an article about the 4B Movement in South Korea. (Sorry for the liberal slant therein. To my knowledge, this topic has not yet been covered in depth by the Manosphere.)

The Cut: A World Without Men — The women of South Korea’s 4B movement aren’t fighting the patriarchy — they’re leaving it behind entirely. (2023/3/8)

Here’s the video Info shared.

yv_edit: The Pillars of Patriarchy: Women’s Invisible Labor (2024/6/7)  Length: 34 minutes

Some of her talk seems to directly respond to (or mimic) my post, Revising Our Concepts of SMV and MMV (2024/4/26), only from the female perspective.  For instance, she talks about the exchange of “goods and services” in the form of men doing housework and maintaining the relationship.  (I’ve never heard of anyone else breaking down SMV/MMV in terms of “an exchange of goods and services”.  I picked up that terminology from studying supply and demand.)

Here, Lisa argues that…

1. Marriage requires more cost, investment, risk, and time from women than staying single or having children outside marriage.
2. Women invest more in communication, being dependable, and working out problems than men do.
3. Men focus on competition, hierarchy, and status which are unproductive.
4. Marriage is more stressful on women than men because their efforts are ‘unreciprocated’.  News Flash: Men can’t read minds and they don’t care about the same things women do.
5. Men will step out and/or replace a woman like she’s a burned-out light bulb.  Obviously, she’s referring to a subset of HSMs.
6. Men are inherently selfish because they’re always ‘rewarded’ for it.  Women are psychologically rewarded (1) when they are generous and (2) when men are selfish.  Sounds like the science of ‘Ch@dology’.
7. Men are more likely to self-destruct than women.  Men are twice as likely to be alcoholics, 3x more likely to be drug addicts, 3x more likely to be incarcerated, and 2-3x more willing to gamble.  We already know these statistics, but her conclusion from this is that men are irresponsible layabouts who cannot be depended upon and who contribute the majority of relationship stress.  Again, Ch@dology, and the good men are invisible.
8. Abusers are more likely to be domestic partners / spouses.  Thus, it is safer for women NOT to get into relationships with men.  No mention of the gender ratio of abuse.  If all is told, it would be safer for men NOT to get into relationships with women too.
9. Men benefit more from marriage than women do.  (This is not true when women opt for a No-Fault divorce.)
10. Marriage makes men more productive and higher earners.  The opposite is true for women.  (Oh no!)
11. Marriage and having children detract from a woman’s career and independence.  (Oh no!)
12. Married women carry most of the mental load of maintaining the home.  Men remain ignorant of this or take it for granted.
13. Women do all the work and men do not help with housework and raising children.  As if that were his sole purpose in life.
14. Men can always postpone or reschedule their duties, but women cannot.
15. Married women get stuck with all the repetitive, time-sucking, urgent drudgeries of daily life and this interrupts their routine.  (Oh no!)
16. Even when women out earn their husbands, they still do more domestic work than men.
17. Even men who actively strive to be equal, egalitarian partners do less domestic work than their wives do.  Men only outperform women in home repair and yardwork, but this can be outsourced.  News Flash: So can housekeeping.
18. Men become lazy and parasitic in marriage.
19. On average, married men are healthier, more active, more fit, and live 7 years longer than unmarried men.  (Oh no!)
20. The family tends to follow the man’s decisions and not necessarily the wife’s. (Oh no!)

From her perspective, the value of a man is based on how much convenience he brings into a woman’s life.  If he does not actively add to her convenience then he is absolutely worthless.  Or if he poses any INconvenience, God forbid, then he is a parasitical dead weight who’s holding her back in life.

This is the essence of gynocentrism.

Summary

All in all, her conclusions are…

1. Marriage helps men and hurts women.
2. Marriage is a lose-lose arrangement for women.
3. All of marriage life is skewed and lopsided in favor of men. (Oh no!)
4. Women are the heroes and pillars of society, and men are irresponsible, selfish, unreliable, etc.  Everything is men’s fault (as usual).
5. Women have no choice but to see and admit that relationships with men are detrimental to them in nearly every way.  This is why women ‘glow up‘ after a break up / divorce.

The strengths of her argument are…

• From what I can tell, she has her facts straight.
• All the information she’s presented has been around for decades and is well-recognized as being true.
• She politely explains her viewpoint in a reasonable manner without getting worked up.

The weaknesses of her argument are as follows.

• She’s not saying anything new or that we haven’t heard before.
• It is entirely biased / one-sided, or as we often say, ‘gynocentric’.
• She’s omitting a lot of facts relevant to the male viewpoint.
• She hasn’t addressed any of the grievances brought up by The Manosphere or MGTOW.
• There is no mention of how marriage enhances women’s socioeconomic status, because this would undermine her argument.
• She hasn’t addressed the effects of marriage or marriage quality on children.
• She hasn’t compared the pros and cons of women marrying Men against the pros and cons of women staying single.  Hint: Go look up why so many women are rejecting feminism and want to be SAHWs.
• She hasn’t compared the pros and cons of women marrying other women either. News Flash: It’s much worse.

Conclusions

Overall, this video, and WGTOW in general, is a nicely concocted sales pitch for men to get married and for women NOT to get married.  It is also an indirect encouragement for women to continue on with their Feminist rebellion, and by extension, their sexual promiscuities as well (even though they may deny it).

We might view WGTOW as a new development in the gender war.  But in fact, nothing will change.  Women will go on doing what they’ve always done since the advent of the Sexual Revolution and Women’s Liberation — banging Ch@ds, chasing degrees and careers, hitting the wall, becoming contentious Cat Ladies / Karens, and then being alone for decades…

The only thing that will change is that they won’t be settling for the Ernie Engineers and Paul Plumbers of the world just to have one attention sloring day at the altar of a God they never knew.  Those men won’t get to marry a bicycle, they won’t be divorce gr@ped, and they might not have any children that would be taken away from them.

As it has been said before, “The trash takes itself out.”

A little less suffering in the world would be warmly welcomed.

Also, those who willingly opt out of the institution of marriage make it easier for those who are serious about it to choose from the remaining options.

So you see, WGTOW might actually be a blessing in disguise.

Nevertheless, WGTOW is one more step down the long descent to the bottom of the Abyss.  As time goes on, we’ll eventually get to the point where ONLY top SMV individuals who are emotionally and spiritually mature and who explicitly WANT marriage and family are going to marry and have kids.

Verdict

After only 3 days of deliberation in the comboxes, the Σ Jury quickly reached a verdict on the matter: The substance of WGTOW is sorely lacking.  WGTOW is merely an imitation of MGTOW. This social poseuring lacks fangs because it is men who are the arbiters of commitment, not women.

Related

• Σ Frame: Sexual Market Value (SMV) vs. Marriage Market Value (MMV) (2017/7/27)
• Σ Frame: Women’s choice to be relevant (2020/2/6)
• Σ Frame: Looking at the Essentials (2020/6/12)
• Σ Frame (Thedeti): On Womens’ Response to MGTOW (2021/7/19)
• Σ Frame: Women Crave Male Attention (2021/7/26)
• Σ Frame: The Influence of Culturally Imposed Sexuality on Women (2021/8/2)
• Spawny’s Space: Dark-Ego-Vehicle (2023/5/26)
• Σ Frame: Are College educated women less likely to divorce? (2023/9/9)
• Σ Frame: Revising Our Concepts of SMV and MMV (2024/4/26)
• Spawny’s Space: Deflect: (2024/6/13)
• Cornerstone: WGTOW (2024/6/14)