If it talks like a Christian and walks like a Feminist, then what is it?

Integrity is paramount.

Readership: Single Christian men interested in women;
Theme: IOIs and Vetting
Length: 800 words
Reading Time: 4 minutes

“Believe ALL Women”?

Ye Olde Manosphere hath said, “Watch What She DOES, NOT What She SAYS.”

Even the Bible contains a few passages about the folly of taking women’s words too seriously.

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;

Cursed is the ground because of you;
With hard labor you shall eat from it
All the days of your life.

Genesis 3:17 (NASB)

And Abram listened to the voice of Sarai.

Genesis 16:2 (NASB)

And we all know how that turned out!

But are Christian men really in the habit of doing this with Christian women?

More to the point, are Christian men able to discern integrity in others?

Q: If it talks like a Christian and walks like a Feminist, then what is it?

Q: If it talks rubbish and walks like a Christian, then what is it?

Integrity?

Men are inclined to make the common mistake of listening to what a woman says, rather than watching what she does.

Occasionally, absent minded women will drop a truth bomb on social media.  But it’s what they DON’T let you know that really matters.

What really matters is her integrity — whether she is double minded and whether her mouth is where her money maker is.

Reading women can be time consuming and confusing because most women are mentally befuddled and don’t really know what they believe, although they might think they do and talk like such.  This is why most of women’s chatter is in code.  To speak honestly and plainly (without fantasy nor feminine code) is ‘mansplaining’.  Men have to accept the fact that 95% of women are a bundle of emotion with very little meaningful content coming through verbally, and what little there is, they are confused about it. Men need to learn to see through that and look at her fundamental spiritual constitution instead — and whether her actions line up with her words.

To give readers an example of what I’m talking about — that women say one thing and do quite the opposite — consider NovaSeeker’s coverage of Nikole Mitchell, who said in so many words that her sexuality is a sacred gift to men and that it was God’s will for her to be a stripper.  She said her nude photoshoots made her feel holy, liberated, sacred, and sexy.  A contrapositive example would be Louise Perry.  She claims to be a feminist, and yet, she rejects the feminist utopian ambition.  (She has a mild case of the 1,000 C0ck stare, so I assume that she’s seen her fair share of the feminine viewpoint.)  Another interesting persona is Dr. Camille Paglia, who has been a spearhead for feminism for decades, and yet she can have an in-depth conversation with Dr. Jordan Peterson and agree with him about most things.

All of this talk, no matter whether a woman is obedient (like some Buddhist women, or the theoretical virgin unicorn who claims to be an atheist), or disobedient (like Sharkly’s “Christian” ex), doesn’t give any clues as to how she’ll behave in a relationship with a man.

Don’t allow yourself to be fooled by your male brain’s desire for logical consistency

If she says she is an atheist, or a repentant Christian, or whatever, then don’t you believe it.  Her words don’t necessarily tell you what’s happening in her heart.  Her words only tell you what’s going on in her conscious mind (assuming she’s being honest).

Look for evidence to back up her claims.  Her behavior, her attitude towards men, and any IOI’s that she shows you are better indicators of what is in her heart.

The bottom line is whether she is obedient to God and to the social structure of authority in her life. So the important thing to look for is her behavior towards you (i.e. respectful submission), and her track record with the men of authority in her life (i.e. her father).  Her track record with past boyfriends is a non sequitur because if she made good on those relationships, then she would not have an ex.

Exit Questions

How else can a man identify if a woman is a true believer or if she’ll appreciate and respect a man’s Headship?

  1. Many people in good marriages have said that they had a tiny glimpse of their future together, and this vision gave them the faith to enter into marriage together.  But women can lie about that too.
  2. Men who are skilled in discerning integrity should try to teach other men how to do the same. (Oscar makes the impression of a man who is good at this.)
  3. Readers are welcome to offer other ideas.

Answers to Riddles

Q: If it talks like a Christian and walks like a Feminist, then what is it?
A: A feminist who takes her body to church on Sunday.

Q: If it talks rubbish and walks like a Christian, then what is it?
A: A woman raised in a good home who has never heard the gospel.

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15 Responses to If it talks like a Christian and walks like a Feminist, then what is it?

  1. Hoyos says:

    First is trust in God and ask for His guidance and I believe part of that is that is learning to use your intuitive sense again, it’s not perfect because what is, but when it’s time for action analysis only takes you so far. Your “gut” is remarkably perceptive but it takes courage to listen to it when your imagination is working on you or even sometimes your intellect.

    Don’t misunderstand me on the intellect, it’s just that analytical side of your mind is always working with limited knowledge and your intuition may be picking up on something your intellect hadn’t considered.

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  2. okrahead says:

    A wolf in duck’s clothing? (See urban dictionary for current meaning of “duck”).

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  3. Rock Kitaro says:

    In 2021, when I was on dating sites… my common litmus test was, “if the world says it’s okay to live a certain way and even hold a parade for it, but the Bible tells us that God sees the behavior as an abomination, which way do you sway?”

    The answers were the reason why the conversation didn’t go from the dating site to a coffee shop. It’s not that I was willing to give up on them, but I think they understood what kind of Christian I was, the kind who wasn’t about to put them over God.

    One woman asked me what I thought about Feminism and, I confess, I was really attracted to this one. But still, I told her as kindly as I could, “I think Feminism has done some great things when it comes to ensuring women have equal rights. But I think there are some things that the Bible disagrees with, like the gender roles. Ephesians 5 and 1 Peter tell us that Men are supposed to be the heads of our households and that wives are to submit to their husbands.”

    She said, “Yeah, but sometimes people twist the Scriptures to mean whatever they want.”

    I told her, “It’s written in five different books by two different authors in explicit language, not metaphors or analogies.” I stopped hearing from her soon after.

    I won’t say they “aren’t” Christian women. Just clearly still on their journey and not at a level that I find satisfactory. Meaning, sad to say, I don’t have the patience or tolerance to sit there and argue these things. Trust me… there were plenty of conversations where they tried to shame me for living by the Bible standards instead of “adapting” to the times.

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    • feeriker says:

      “It’s not that I was willing to give up on them, but I think they understood what kind of Christian I was, the kind who wasn’t about to put them over God.”

      It’s amazing how they will claim that God is more important to them than you (although somehow the demands of the world always outrank God), but when you let it be known that God is more important to you than they are, they view it as the ultimate affront.

      “I won’t say they “aren’t” Christian women.”

      Their number is not zero, but they are exceedingly rare. To be honest, the number of real Christians of both sexes (as opposed to churchians or “cultural Christians”) is exceedingly rare all over the West.

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  4. Dead Bedroom Dating says:

    Just recently I figured that attending Evangelical denominations ordaining women is a waste of time. Turns out all splinter congregations close to my residence toppled over one after another at the turn of the century.

    Cherry-picking fundamentalism is nothing anyone needs in his life: Yeah, of course you live in complete celibacy while unmarried and never use contraception, and BTW here is your new woman pastor, who is going to shepherd you..

    I could just as well attend a mainline church, ignore the feminist in the pulpit and not get pestered about marriage and the state of my bedroom.

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  5. thedeti says:

    The issues presented in this post are among the single biggest problems for Christian men considering “Christian” women.

    Nearly all “Christian” women are feminists in all but name. Many won’t call themselves feminists. Many bristle at the suggestion that they are feminists. But feminists they are. All women born after 1960 are feminists. All Christian women (and nearly all men, including Christian men, including conservative men) firmly believe:

    — Men and women are fundamentally the same and can function the same in all ways except for their reproductive tracts.
    — Men and women are fungible and interchangeable in terms of societal and professional function.
    — Men and women are and should be on par in every way in society: educationally, socially, professionally, politically, etc.
    — Wife submission means only that the husband is a “servant leader”. It does not mean he is the final say or final authority. Wifely submission takes a back seat to Eph. 5:21 “submitting to one another” which means sometimes a husband must submit to his wife.

    You’ll be hard pressed to find Christian women who don’t believe all of the above.

    You’ll be hard pressed to find any Christian woman who believes in submission to a husband in all things. (All things meaning ALL THINGS, and all meaning EVERYTHING.)

    You’ll be hard pressed to find any Christian woman who truly believes her husband has the final say and authority in all things pertaining to the family unit and that if husband directs wife to do X, she is to do X.

    This is because (1) most Christian women aren’t really Christian; and (2) most married women aren’t sexually attracted to the men they married.

    We truly live now in a post-Christian, post-marriage society.

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    • feeriker says:

      “You’ll be hard pressed to find Christian women who don’t believe all of the above.”

      This is the ultimate “Pay attention to what they DO, not what they say.”

      Women may angrily deny any affinity for feminism, but their behavior screams out that they not only have affinity for it, but live it as their life’s creed.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        “Women may angrily deny any affinity for feminism, but their behavior screams out that they not only have affinity for it, but live it as their life’s creed.”

        There is no incentive in modern society for a woman not to be a feminist. It’s the life philosophy of having her cake and eating it too.

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    • feeriker says:

      “All women born after 1960 are feminists.”

      I’ve said this before, but I think you need to back that date up by 20 years. The rot started long before 1960.

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      • thedeti says:

        Probably.

        My mother, and both my grandmothers were feminists.

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      • Jack says:

        My paternal grandmother was a feminist and my maternal grandmother was a very traditional SAHW. Guess which one was happily married for 52 years and which one was divorced? They always got along (as far as I know) but they never had much to talk about. My mother was a traditional SAHW, but she had a lot of feminist beliefs that erupted in a divorce after my parents had been married for 29 years. She remarried and continues to be a traditional SAHW.

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  6. thedeti says:

    Camille Paglia is a more or less “honest” feminist. Her views boil down essentially to “We women wanted — and got — all these freedoms; we must now exercise authority over ourselves and engage our freedoms responsibly.”

    She has been, rightly so, one of the most outspoken critics of women’s refusing sexual responsibility along with women’s sexual liberation.

    This has always astounded me: Women scream from the rooftops they don’t need no man; then damsel it up when something they need “doesn’t work” and “I need a man to fix this right now.”

    Women scream from the rooftops that they are strong and independent and can have all kinds of sex with any men they want; but dissolve into puddles of indecision and befuddlement when it comes to telling a man “no”.

    Women scream from the rooftops that they make their own money; but all still depend on men in some way for basic financial support: Fathers, older family, boyfriends, dates, sugar daddies, husbands, ex husbands, “special friends”, live in partners, sons.

    Paglia has been right to say, “With authority and freedom comes responsibility. Have sex with whomever you want, and you take all the consequences for it, good and bad.” I’ve always respected her opinions on that.

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