Philosophical Dualism

The mind’s understanding is limited to categorical models which are both coexisting and conflicting.

Readership: All
Theme: Problems with The Red Pill / A Failure of Imagination
Length: 1,500 words
Reading Time: 8 minutes

Overview

In the Exposition of this month’s theme, A Failure of Imagination was identified as one type of problem with The Red Pill.

Foundational reading includes the basics of modelling and 9 Types of Red Pill Models.

Since last week’s flag post, A Failure of Imagination (2024/5/20), commenters left a number of insights related to this topic.  I’ve gathered together a few of the most noteworthy, edited them for clarity and ease of reading, and added my commentary and some scripture references where applicable.  Links to the original comments are embedded in the initial words.

After studying the contents of these comments, I noticed a pattern of philosophical dualism, for lack of a better term.  (See notes appended.)  I’m NOT referring to the heretical doctrine of dualism, although there may be some overlap.  For brevity, I will not examine this here.

Dualistic Humanity

Rollo’s emphasis on evo psyche / naturalist materialism and neglect of humanity, metaphysics, and longitudinal outcome highlights a kind of inherent schizophrenia you see in some psychology (as an academic discipline). Assumption one is we are all evolutionary meat robots, and assumption two is we can use our free will to better ourselves. Obviously, trying to believe in total determinism and free will at the same time is going to do funny things to your mind.

We have discussed this before in different contexts, subjects, and words, and with less clarity of the differences.

  • Creationism vs. Evolution?  (or both?)
  • Is man an animal, or is he made in the image of God?  (or both?)
  • Are women purely emotion-driven, opportunistic, and situationally pseudo-ethical, or are they capable of great devotion and loving a man selflessly for who he is?  (NAWALT?)

Concerning individualized archetypes, we have categorized this difference by describing women as either being agentic or hypoagentic, slores / proto-slores or chaste and submissive.  We have described this in men too: Rollo’sAverage Frustrated Chump’, Vox Day’s ‘Gamma male’, and Σ Frame’s ‘Autopilot’ (or the more generous ‘Young Man with Problems’).  We have well-defined, caricatured archetypes for faux-masculinity, but a less well-understood concept of mature masculinity — a man of indefatigability, integrity, purpose, self-control, and perhaps a little Rizz.

We may refer to these stereotypes for ease of communicative reference, but we should always remember that, in reality, there are gradations.  In these times, it’s hard to draw a line between sinful / soulless / depraved and mature / regenerated / righteous.  But what matters is how men address women in the “power” position they currently occupy in the SMP/MMP, and how men deal with facts on the ground / boots on the ground. The fact is that most men will be going without while most women share the top 10% of men. That’s just how it is and how it will be going forward.

There is a lot of exploitation for the 60-80 % men going on, based on the delusion that by some Tradcon / W0ke magic they will become attractive to women.  Once they blow past this delusion and are ready to face reality, their lives will improve, while the lives of those deluding and exploiting them won’t.

Dualistic Soteriology

Malcolm Reynolds often comments about how mating behavior affects progeneration and population growth.  Although I cannot agree with all of his perspectives, his larger point is an important one that is oft overlooked, especially within Protestantism — that obedience to God tends to offer the best conditions possible for a flourishing family life and culture.  Of course, this is not always true, especially when the surrounding culture is corrupt and godless, and sometimes it boils down to self-immolation, but there is a significantly strong correlation that suggests the reasons why God told us to do or not do certain things is not just for our own personal spiritual relationship with Him now and in the afterlife, but also to enhance our own mortal well-being and that of our progeny.

Christian Nationalists and Civilizationists have picked up on the value of this concept, yet much of Christian soteriology, including some voices in the Christian Manosphere, still cling to a dualistic view of thinking that the fruits of obedience are strictly spiritual and cannot be expected to bring carnal / material / social benefits, and even that it is heretical to assume so (cue the Joel Osteen straw man).

I’ve told my daughters that being obedient to the Word maximizes one’s chances of getting the most out of life, given one’s circumstances, family heritage, personality, values, and maybe a few other factors.  However, there are no guarantees.  One might be completely obedient and still experience catastrophe, like Job, while another might be rebellious, but yet learn something about one’s self from the experience and go on to find forgiveness, grace, and blessings.  Real failure is not only found in screwing up time and again and never learning anything or improving, but also in being happy, obedient to the letter of the law, and successful, all the while thinking it is all your own doing.  Real success is finding inner peace and contentment with the Lord, being obedient (e.g. drawing appropriate boundaries) as an expression of love for Him, staying faithful and humble during the rough patches, and learning from one’s mistakes.

Dualistic Spiritual Truth

The Truth is Life to the Living, and Death to the Dying.

14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and manifests through us the sweet aroma of the knowledge of Him in every place.  15 For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; 16 to the one an aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life.  And who is adequate for these things?  17 For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God.

2 Corinthians 2:14-17 (NASB1995)

The commonly accepted definition of “Red Pill” within the Manosphere is very simply “the truth” of reality. This, in contrast to the half-truths or outright lies spread by what society recognizes as custom and sources of knowledge and authority.

  • The truth about women’s true nature.
  • The truth about how intersexual relations really function.
  • The truth about how men are REALLY treated by society compared to how society likes to imagine it treats them.
  • The truth about how the modern church really views male and female roles and expectations compared to what the Bible prescribes.

While it is true that “the truth shall set you free” (John 8:31-32), the truth is also very unpopular. It is often impolitic. It does not care about human feelings. It bursts delusional bubbles that insulate (to a point) people from the world’s unpleasantness. It humbles people who, while often needing to be humbled, cannot bear to be humbled because of loss of face, status, etc.

Simply stated, truth, as symbolized by the Red Pill, is the enemy of the fallen world. People (especially women) do not like this because it makes women look bad and justifies the restraints that used to be on single women’s sexuality. This is why so many people and institutions are working so hard to deny, discredit, and distort it.

The Red Pill is NOT a philosophy or ideology or “worldview”. It’s simply a set of facts and tools about male and female nature, the way sexual attraction works, and the way intersexual dynamics works. What men do with this information is up to them.

This is why the PUA’s who shared their knowledge of women, attraction, desire, and relationship dynamics offer more to men than most pastors ever do or will from the pulpit. This is also why it is a mistake to discard that knowledge because of how men like Heartiste and Roosh immorally purposed it and came to learn it.

Notes

On what I have termed ‘dualism’ in this essay: Chinese philosophical traditions would call this “speculative learning” or ‘metaphysics’ [ 玄學 / xuánxué ].  The word ‘dualism’ is adopted here because of the Western penchant for dichotomous, black-and-white thinking in philosophy, as seen in the comments.  Other Chinese philosophical traditions include “classical learning” [ 經學 / jīngxué ], the learning of principles [ 理學 / lǐxué ], the learning of the ancient masters (e.g. Confucius, Sun Tzu, et al.) [ 諸子學 / zhūzǐ xué ], and spiritual learning (i.e. Buddhism, Daoism) [ 佛學 / fóxué ].

Chinese philosophy predates Greek philosophy as a form of thought, and is considered a path towards truth and wisdom. It addresses ethics, morals, metaphysics, and the supernatural, and is both transcendental and immanent. In comparison, Western philosophy is a continuation of one branch of Greek philosophy in which disciplines originate from universals extracted from studies of individual phenomena and then condensed into systems of knowledge using a strict, regulated mode of thinking based on logic.  The metaphysical / transcendental nature of Chinese philosophy has attracted sharp criticism from Western philosophers and sinologists who liken it to a religion and who prefer to reduce it to a system of ethics, historical narratives, incomplete and nonsensical syllogisms, and superstitions.

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17 Responses to Philosophical Dualism

  1. Info says:

    The imperatives of what is called “Evo Psych” is akin to gravity. We don’t escape it but we can still choose to work with or against gravity.

    Free Will plays that role.

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  2. Info says:

    I think the notion of the false conception of the Ideal Madonna also plays a role in the pathology.

    Yes. The Ideal Feminine that God has made even in the unfallen state is nothing like the sterile idealized Madonna, frail, prone to fainting spells.

    What looks Wild to us can very well look similar to what True Vitality looks like in its unfallen state.

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    • Jack says:

      Info,
      I wrote about this with respect to men.

      Σ Frame: God is Not Gentle (2023/3/24)

      Like you described, I believe it also applies to women too, but the real image of femininity is not well understood, much less recognized, and hardly ever displayed. I believe this is what feminists imagine about the Strong Independent Woman, but their concept is bastardettized and inverted.

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  3. Oscar says:

    “…his larger point is an important one that is oft overlooked, especially within Protestantism — that obedience to God tends to offer the best conditions possible for a flourishing family life and culture.”

    I don’t see how that point is overlooked within Protestantism. I’ve been hearing that message at Protestant churches since childhood. If anything, what’s missing in a lot of Protestant churches is the nuance that blessings aren’t guaranteed in this life, and that sometimes God requires us to suffer, either because we brought it on ourselves, or because He has some purpose for our suffering that will advance His kingdom, or for some other reason we won’t know this side of eternity.

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    • Jack says:

      Oscar,
      Once again, your testimony reveals that you have an excellent church. In most of the Protestant churches I’ve visited in my lifetime (and there are many), the pulpits often warned against seeking or having any expection of humanistic or material blessings, often labeling it materialistic or selfish. I probably would have made a lot more money in my life if I had not had this pounded into my head while growing up.

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      • Oscar says:

        Jack,

        I’m not referring only to my current church. From the Hispanic Pentecostal churches I attended as a kid, to the churches of all different Protestant denominations (or no denomination) I attended as I moved around with the Army, or for work, it was pretty common to hear that people who follow God’s law tend to do better in life in general – from marriage, to raising children, to career success.

        I mean, holy crap, all you have to do is read the Book of Proverbs. And surely you’ve heard of the Protestant work ethic. The whole idea is that people and nations prosper when they obey God’s commandments.

        You’re right that some Christians preach a poverty doctrine, but that is in no way exclusive to Protestants. There’s plenty of poverty preaching among Catholics. It’s common enough among Christians that Dave Ramsey wrote a book refuting it.

        But, again, the one place you’re most likely to find a bunch of people going through Financial Peace University is a Protestant church.

        And by the way, Ramsey does a pretty good job at balancing both sides of the equation.

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      • Malcolm Reynolds says:

        Dave Ramsey is a Boomer.

        Boomers are wrong, regardless the topic.

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      • Oscar says:

        Hey Jack, I thought you said that…

        Malcolm Reynolds… larger point is an important one that is oft overlooked, especially within Protestantism — that obedience to God tends to offer the best conditions possible for a flourishing family life and culture.

        Now he’s arguing the opposite. Did you misunderstand his “larger point”?

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      • Jack says:

        Oscar,
        How do you figure? Can you cite some quotes that show otherwise?

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      • Oscar says:

        Sure. The one right above my reply. Dave Ramsey teaches that if you obey God’s principles in the Book of Proverbs, you’re likely to prosper. MR says Dave Ramsey is a Boomer and Boomers are wrong about everything, which means Dave Ramsey is wrong when he says that if you obey God’s principles in the Book of Proverbs you’re likely to prosper.

        So, did you misunderstand MR’s larger point?

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      • Malcolm Reynolds says:

        What do Boomers love doing first-best?

        • Lecturing misinformation
        • Telling redundant stories
        • Conveniently pleading ignorance when told certain facts
        • Laying down some stupid rule
        • Telling you certain people are egomaniacs (when they are normal)
        • Pretend that they help people
        • Talking about themselves and how great their generation is.

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      • Joe2 says:

        MR,

        Thank you for your thoughtful insights regarding Boomers. Obviously, you are very wise, have a wealth of knowledge and make valuable contributions to this blog.

        I just remembered –

        Joe2 is a Boomer, and as you wrote

        “Boomers are wrong, regardless of topic”

        So thank you for correcting me. I should have wrote,

        You don’t have thoughtful insights, are not wise, have minimal knowledge, and rather than make valuable contributions you make up stuff and are full of cr@p.

        Thanks, again.

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      • Malcolm Reynolds says:

        Notably, the “me” generation espoused the mantra “don’t trust anybody over 30.” From the beginning, therefore, the Boomer adopted *generational antipathy* as a virtue, cursing its own ancestors in the opening act, and then in the closing scene, attempting to devour its own young, like Saturn. More than anything else, hatred for all other generations is THE defining characteristic of the Boomer (which tangentially, is quite remarkable, given how simultaneously solipsistic the Boomer is.)

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      • Sharkly says:

        We need to repent of all the Boomer generation’s foolishness. A worthless generation if there ever was one. Yes, there are exceptions, but collectively they were a generation which refused discipline and left sound wisdom.

        And my soul never could listen to that radio preacher (Dave Ramsey) who always talks primarily about the pursuit of money. I’d rather eat a meager morsel with contentment than be enslaved by his love of money. I’m not saying he is wrong about how to gain money, but attending a church full of Dave Ramseys might potentially make you the richest man in hell someday. If you believe Jesus Christ, getting rich actually makes it more difficult to enter into the kingdom of God. But what did that broke son-of-man know? /S

        While the “born in church” Boomers were busy getting rich, they pissed away our nation’s morality.

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