Deti on Female Agency

Women’s agency is operantly conditioned.

Targeted Readership: Men
Theme: Female Agency and Accountability
Reader’s Note: This essay collates and expands some comments I left under Do women possess moral agency? (2022/11/2). Organized, formatted, and images added by Jack.
Length: 1,400 words
Reading Time: 8 minutes

Women have Moral Agency

We know women have moral agency.  Otherwise God would not have held Eve personally responsible for her sin at the Fall (Genesis 3).  Eve was responsible directly to God for obedience to His one directive: Don’t eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  God held Eve directly responsible, without reference to Adam or anything he did or did not do.  God did not say to Adam, “You were supposed to keep her from eating from that tree.  She ate, and that’s your fault.”  No.  What He did say was that because she ate from the tree and disobeyed God, she would have pain in childbirth and she would have to submit to Adam.  “I told you not to.  You did it anyway.  Here are your consequences.”  That’s the very definition of moral agency.

Women have innate moral agency. It’s just that they don’t suffer negative consequences for acting contrary to that agency or for failing to exercise it.  So whenever the sh!t misses the bucket, the task of cleaning it up always falls on men — not the sh!ttress.  This is an important point, albeit one that western churchians are clearly uncomfortable with and try hard to deny. This is Dalrock’s take on women’s agency in a nutshell.

We can all see the catastrophic results that this consequence-less feeelz gooeyd culture has produced.  When we look around, what we see is that women will try to keep all their shenanigans a secret.  They’ll lie and evade in order to keep everything under cover.

“Yeah, sure, I know what I’m doing is wrong, or it kinda feels wrong.  But it kinda feels OK, and there’s no reason not to, so I am going to do it.  It doesn’t affect anyone else.  Nobody needs to know about it.”

Even though they’re guilty, they’ll deny it all the way. But if and when it ever spills over the side, then women will subconsciously take the attitude of…

“God holds me responsible, so what right does any man have to do the same?”

“Man screwed up, too, in the Fall, so who is HE to judge what I do?”

If that doesn’t hold water, then they’ll hamsterbate a plethora of solipsistic justifications.

“Yeah, X is true; but people were mean to me/hurt me/lied to me, so I shouldn’t be held responsible for X.”

“I did X, but society has it in for me, so I’m not responsible for X.”

When that fails, then they’ll have a twerking BUT-fest and make a big stink, recasting blame and insisting that they should not face any consequences for their moral failures.

“BUT… Men do it too!”

“BUT… Men make mistakes too!”

“BUT… Men are screwed up too!”

“BUT… Men aren’t perfect either!”

“BUT… You don’t get to hold my feet to the fire!  I answer to God, no one else.”

This behavior is no different from a child trying to avoid punishment for intentionally disobeying parents — a behavior that arises from the self-preserving self-interest of the fleshly nature that will lie, destroy, kill, steal, and pull out all the stops to avoid being exposed — but exposure is exactly what is needed in order for her to become more self-aware and adopt a sense of responsibility for herself.

Avoiding consequences for moral failure — it’s what women and children do.

The Importance of Operant Conditioning

Women have moral agency, because they are able to conform their conduct to the dictates and requirements of their situations, including dealing with consequences or the lack thereof. When you impose hard consequences, they conform. When someone in power or authority over a woman imposes hard consequences, she conforms. (I mean REAL, hard, social/economic power, not just moral power, though moral power will work too.)

A consequence is most effective when imposed swiftly and without delay. Most of the time women don’t suffer immediate consequences in the short term.  Instead, women often suffer delayed consequences or only long term consequences which aren’t immediately apparent.

It’s also the case that women don’t suffer consequences all the time. Consequences are most effective when they are suffered every time a moral lapse occurs.

That’s just not the case for women.

Women are really, really good at consequence avoidance.  And in addition to this, our entire society is constructed specifically for women to avoid or least greatly alleviate negative consequences for moral failure.

It’s also the case that women don’t always suffer temporal consequences; but only eternal consequences.  Only the most spiritually astute women will discern this, and never in themselves.

The Importance of Headship Discipline

Women do have agency in the natural.  It’s just that those “muscles” aren’t exercised anywhere close to as frequently as they should be.  Society has been completely re-engineered to permit women to avoid agency as much as humanly possible.

As I discussed in the previous section about Operant Conditioning, the only reason moral agency works to mold and shape female conduct is because of consequences.  If consequences are removed, then a woman will act contrary to that agency.

Every time.

The only alternative is as Bardelys told us: If women do not have moral agency, then they are little better than children. They cannot be trusted to make any decisions on their own and must always live under the authority of a man: First her father, then her husband, then her son(s). They must never be allowed to handle money, own any property of any consequence, operate any machinery, vote, or have any voice in public affairs. They most certainly must not be allowed even to speak in church, much less have “ministries.” They can work to earn money, but only at menial tasks and only if her father or husband allow it.  All of her earnings are the property of the male authority in her life, whether that be her father, her husband, or her son(s).

Women must always be chaperoned in public. All of her interactions with nonrelatives must be under her father’s watchful eye. Women must never be allowed in the company of men unchaperoned until they are married. Women cannot be trusted to select their husbands — the men of her family must pick her husband or at least approve of her choice; and her husband will have absolute authority over all aspects of her life. She may not divorce him, but he can divorce her (“put her away”). College?  No way. Live on her own or with other women?  No. She will live at home with her parents until she is married. She does not need any education at all beyond high school and her mother’s training to be a wife.

In this scenario, women still have agency, but they’re insulated from any consequences for breach of that agency because they never get an opportunity to breach it. Again, they aren’t permitted to exercise those moral “muscles”.

This is why women were placed under men acting as heads of a hierarchy ordained by God.  Men should have proper authority in those relationships.

But what authority do husbands have over their wives, or fathers over their adult, unmarried daughters?

The answer is none. And that’s the problem.

But men still have all the responsibility, which usually means, “Shut up, get your wallet/checkbook out, and pay.”

Which is why men are walking away, increasingly. Or, they’re just taking their chances and getting married anyway, because they want p_ssy.

Conclusions

Women have moral agency. It’s just that they don’t exercise it, either because (1) there are no negative consequences; or (2) they never get to exercise it in the first place.

Female evasion and control tactics are not so much evidence of complete lack of moral agency. They are evidence of avoidance of consequences for moral failures. It’s not that women don’t have moral agency. It’s that women feel free, and in fact are free, to act in ways contrary to that agency because there are no negative consequences for those acts. It is not only their sinful nature; society and government have done this. Women’s freedom from consequences for moral failures are a matter of social, governmental, and public policy. Women demanded, and got, the right to be free from legal, moral, economic, and professional consequences for their moral failures. And, they got society to force men to pay for their moral failures too.

So the real problem is not women’s lack of moral agency; it’s the lack of immediate and unavoidable consequences.  Penal science has proven that it’s not the severity of punishment that deters bad behavior, but the surety of getting caught.

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70 Responses to Deti on Female Agency

  1. Oscar says:

    “Women have innate moral agency. It’s just that they don’t suffer negative consequences for acting contrary to that agency or for failing to exercise it. So whenever the sh!t misses the bucket, the task of cleaning it up always falls on men — not the sh!ttress.”

    Any human who is insulated from the consequences of his/her actions will end up with a severely atrophied moral agency. It just so happens that women have been insulated from the consequences of their actions for decades now.

    There’s not much we can do about that society-wide, but we can hold women accountable within our circles of influence, and we can stop rescuing foolish women from the consequences of their foolishness.

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      “Any human who is insulated from the consequences of his/her actions will end up with a severely atrophied moral agency.”

      This is true, and there is a ‘but’ coming here, 1 Peter 3:7 and 1 Timothy 2:11-14.

      There is something inherently different about men and women in the way God made us that makes women more prone to the deception that her actions are free of moral consequences. Which actually makes how society has insulated women from the consequences of their actions even worse.

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      • feeriker says:

        And given that the forces that govern society are wholly contemptuous of God and His ways, the destructive customs and practices that allow and enable women to get away with avoiding their own agency are systemic (“baked into the cake,” so to speak).

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      • cameron232 says:

        feeriker,

        I wonder if it’s something that comes naturally (“naturally” not necessarily being a good thing). The gynocentrism that’s a result of women being weaker and more (reproductively) valuable. And the more successful civilizations figure out how to curb this “natural” tendency to be too easy on women.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        cameron,

        In times past, when the west was not the wealthiest culture ever in existence of world history, women had to produce something in order to survive. They worked the family farm or with their husband at his business because it was necessary to feed the family. What drove the west to the wealth we have today is combination of Judeo-Christian work ethic and necessity. Women were cherished, but not coddled, and there was no government program to act as a defacto sugar daddy. When the largesse eventually runs out, as it always does, we will revert to the mean. The mean is where women are forced to own their consequences much more than they do now or life gets pretty lean.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “Any human who is insulated from the consequences of his/her actions will end up with a severely atrophied moral agency. It just so happens that women have been insulated from the consequences of their actions for decades now.”

      My Mother-in-law is like this. She not only has a severely atrophied moral agency due to having been shielded from the consequences of her actions, she also never developed an ability to learn lessons from her many mistakes, especially with money. I really believe that given the same circumstances with money again, she’d make the same mistakes…. over and over again. There’s been no learning from what I can tell. Mind boggling.

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  2. Hoyos says:

    It does explain why some women I’ve met seem more “adult”, same thing in many old movies, women are portrayed as more “adult”, or women from some cultures seem more “adult”. If they lived in a place where they were given real responsibility they grew into it.

    I’ve seen a growth in a trend that seems almost Muslim to me and we don’t really want that. There’s a desire to completely control women in general, and even some weird justifications for the use of force on wives. The Muslim world controls it’s women very hard; it’s women are not known for beauty or virtue, and sodomy is also rampant in many Muslim cultures (I suspect this isn’t merely a reflection of polygamy, but also a near complete unfamiliarity with women not directly related to you).

    The historic Christian world had I think a real via media. Of course women, being physically weaker, needed protections. On the other hand we didn’t feel the need to completely control them, to infantilize them.

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    • Jack says:

      Hoyos,

      I am rather familiar with Muslims, since I interact with them on a weekly basis.

      “I’ve seen a growth in a trend that seems almost Muslim to me…”

      I see several reasons for this.

      — Muslims and Muslim cultures have “invaded” the west through immigration.
      — Western women have flocked to Muslim countries, presumably because they have a disciplined, masculine, patriarchal social structure.
      — The average Muslim is more serious about his/her faith than the average churchian.
      — The Western liberal PTB is afraid of offending Muslim sensibilities, primarily because they are useful to their agenda of eroding social capital in traditionally White Christian nations.

      “There’s a desire to completely control women in general, and even some weird justifications for the use of force on wives. The Muslim world controls it’s women very hard…”

      This is a uniquely Western view of Muslim culture. In fact, Muslim culture holds people accountable, including women. Westerners are appalled and offended by this concept.

      “…it’s women are not known for beauty or virtue…”

      In my opinion, the average Muslim woman is more beautiful and virtuous than the average Western woman. Perhaps the reason is simply because they are expected to be that way and are discriminated against if they are not. But they’re not “known” for this because they aren’t making their opinions known and flaunting their butt cheeks in public the way western women commonly do.

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      • info says:

        Iran uniquely executes women quite often for murder when they are guilty:
        http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/iranfem.html

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      • Hoyos says:

        You don’t know me from Adam so take this how you will, I’ve known Muslims my entire life, grew up partially in London, was roommates with a Pakistani doctor. Honestly I get along with Muslims better than atheists because we believe in God in similar ways; He is real, judgment is happening, etc.

        That being said, no I don’t mean consequences, I mean control. Clitoridectomies are real, forced first cousin marriage is real, honor killings are real, and polygamy is happening in my neighborhood in suburban Texas.

        Something radically unwholesome is in the Muslim world. All I’m saying is we need the Christian via media between “no consequences for woman ever” and “totalitarian monitoring of woman from birth to death”. Not to let one error bank us into another. Yes I know not all Muslims, many of them are basically like Mormons, roughly sound on familial matters.

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      • Oscar says:

        I’m with Hoyos on this one.

        Muslims are great at putting up a moral front, but Muslim men are the most disgusting sexual degenerates I’ve ever had the displeasure of encountering. I don’t know how that affects their women, but it can’t be good.

        Westerners who look to Muslims as some kind of positive example are gullible, and deceived.

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      • info says:

        @Oscar

        I see the good aspects as broken clocks right twice a day. Sometimes even the worst people may get things coincidentally right. But often for the wrong reasons.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “But they’re not “known” for this because they aren’t making their opinions known and flaunting their butt cheeks in public the way western women commonly do.”

        Speaks to Oscar’s point, they know there will be socially enforced consequences if they do!

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  3. thedeti says:

    It seems ironic that this post comes out on election day.

    Just a reminder of our democratic/voting lack of agency: It matters not one bit how you vote today. Not a damn thing will change, even if every democrat is swept out of office today.

    The civic nationalists and VoxDay fanbois must stop telling us to “save Western Civilization”. No. It’s time to let Western Civ go. It’s time to mourn its passing and batten down the hatches for what comes next.

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    • Scott says:

      Oh that’s right it’s Election Day or whatever

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      • cameron232 says:

        Yeah just go have sex with your wife or if you don’t have a wife go beat off. More productive than voting.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        cameron,

        Don’t be that guy. Trump said voting was pointless in the GA 2020 runoff elections and that gave us Warnock and Ossoff as senators.

        Had he encouraged GA republicans to go vote in droves to show that R’s would win even in the face of cheating, then we’d have 2 R senators from GA and the senate would at least be a speed bump to slow the Biden administration’s agenda. The runoff was relatively close and large swath of R voters didn’t show up. But he threw a adolescent tantrum instead of being mature in how he fought the vote counting fraud and here we are.

        So go stuff your ballot in the box and then stuff your ballot in the box and it will have been a good day all the way around. 😉

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      • cameron232 says:

        RPA if I stuff my ballot in THAT box then I might get pregnant chads like in the 2000 election.

        https://www.thefreedictionary.com/pregnant+chad

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      • Scott says:

        Oh man “America” would be so awesome if republicans were dominant.

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      “It’s time to mourn its passing and batten down the hatches for what comes next.”

      Whether we like it or not, western civilization is done, at least as we’ve been taught to think about it. The Judeo-Christian work ethic and common history no longer exists. If we can’t agree on what history is and common moral and ethical principles, and the west is quite partisan on these, then the “west” doesn’t exist anymore.

      The only question is what everything looks like when we reach whatever the new equilibrium is.

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      • thedeti says:

        Yep. Stick a fork in Western Civ. It’s done. We are done.

        We deserve the sh!tstorm headed our way.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Go read Ezekiel 23. It is a prophecy chapter about the unfaithfulness of God’s people and how he will deal with the wickedness. When you read the chapter do so through the lens of modern feminism, AF/BB, the carousel and men who marry women that have lived this way.

        There is nothing new in history, just rinsing and repeating.

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      • thedeti says:

        I’m familiar with Ez. 23.

        Here we go. We are about to get run through by a series of freight trains.

        Batten down the hatches and bar the door – it’s gonna be a bumpy ride. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        There is some poignant imagery in that chapter, both in the actions of unfaithfulness and the consequences. We are witnessing the unfaithfulness first hand, but like you intimated, we have yet to see the consequences.

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      • cameron232 says:

        That makes sense. When a (formerly) Christian people falls, they fall HARD. More so than pagans. I guess it’s God punishment for unfaithfulness/betrayal/spiritual-adultery.

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    • Rock Kitaro says:

      Thank God we kept Florida, Florida. And I see my relatives in Georgia stood up and stopped Abrams from being governor…because man, the way Atlanta is right now, the last thing we need is for the corruption to spread throughout the rest of the state

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        She was a horrible candidate. Who thought that a woman who cost Atlanta $250,000,000 in revenue with the MLB Allstar debacle was going to be likable?

        Herschel Walker was a poor candidate too. He wasn’t vetted at all in the primary so all his weaknesses came out in the general election, and for it to be even close when Kemp won the gubernatorial race easily is evidence of this.

        Kemp 2,109,388
        Abrams 1,809,496
        Walker 1,906,229
        Warnock 1,941,473

        If Walker had been more in line with Kemp’s support it’s comfortable win. If the percentages hold, there will be a runoff election between Walker and Warnock because no one got 50% of the vote.

        We are going to suffer through d@mn political ads for a few more weeks.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “Herschel Walker was a poor candidate too. He wasn’t vetted at all in the primary so all his weaknesses came out in the general election, and for it to be even close when Kemp won the gubernatorial race easily is evidence of this.”

        The stuff about Walker was known, but I guess they thought, “He’s such a hero in the state of Georgia from his football playing days at UGA, it’ll over ride all the hellish personal problems he created inside his family and with his employees.”

        I mean, I thought Warnock was a total douchebag of a human being, however by the time the Dems got through running Walker through the ringer with their character attack ads, I felt like Walker and Warnock, instead of running for office, should be cellmates at some maximum security prison together.

        A bit of an exaggeration for effect, but it didn’t make voting for Walker much of a pleasure, that’s for sure. However, despite all that, he’s still better than Warnock. Let that sink in.

        I’m not a big fan of Kemp either, however I’d go into the voting booth and sit on his button all day if it would keep Stacey Abrams out of office. She’s about one of the most unfit candidates I’ve EVER seen for higher office. Rumor has it that since she can’t win in the state of Georgia, she’s considering running for President instead. With her, I would not be at all surprised. At least the other 49 states would get a taste of what we deal with her here in Georgia, an absolute sh!t show.

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  4. Jack says:

    My paternal grandmother used to be a flamboyant feminist. Until a few things happened…

    1– Her husband left her for a younger woman.
    2– She had to raise two children by herself.
    3– She had to get a full time job to support herself and her children.
    4– Her son (my father) grew bigger, taller, and stronger than her. One day, she told him off about something, and in response, he looked down at her and gave her a cold hard stare that frightened her very much. She told me she never talked sharply to a man after that day.

    Through all this, she realized that feminism was a lie, that women needed men, and that women needed to know their proper place in the order of things. I guess it could be said that God held her accountable.

    She was saintly in her later years. She dedicated her life towards helping the disabled, elderly, and sick.

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      “She was saintly in her later years. She dedicated her life towards helping the disabled, elderly, and sick.”

      So she was an elderly woman that could tell younger women how to love their husband’s properly. That strikes me as being suspiciously biblical. 😉

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      • Jack says:

        “So she was an elderly woman that could tell younger women how to love their husband’s properly.”

        I’m not sure she ever did that much, but she did abandon feminism and she learned to respect men.

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    • locustsplease says:

      My mother is still a rabid feminists but has seen many of its failures and will admit it. Such as her only son loosing custody of her only grand child plus I had to stop having them she wanted more. They had her every weekend but the divorce cut that in half or more. She knows how dirty they did me under the cover of protecting women. That careers are the best. Her daughter put off child bearing then struggled for 6 years to conceive. Then she got wore out from her career and became a house wife. I told her I want a young house wife and she supports that of course cringes when I say %100 male authority patrichal. I’m not working all day for designer clothes. Child support she saw every woman she worked with use it to abuse their ex and many denied custody for the same reasons they Fd him in the first place. She also saw how my ex taking 100k pre tax from me hurt our family and my child I wasn’t rich and didn’t do many things I would have done with the money.

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      • info says:

        Pray for Justice. God must avenge. I’d rather they are punished in this life so that they at least have a chance at repentance rather than eternal punishment in the afterlife.

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  5. Red Pill Apostle says:

    Better than the alternative.

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  6. Red Pill Apostle says:

    “Yeah, X is true; but people were mean to me/hurt me/lied to me, so I shouldn’t be held responsible for X.”

    “I did X, but society has it in for me, so I’m not responsible for X.”

    When that fails, then they’ll have a twerking BUT-fest and make a big stink, recasting blame and insisting that they should not face any consequences for their moral failures.

    “BUT… Men do it too!”

    “BUT… Men make mistakes too!”

    “BUT… Men are screwed up too!”

    “BUT… Men aren’t perfect either!”

    “BUT… You don’t get to hold my feet to the fire! I answer to God, no one else.”

    I have heard every one of these and quite a few others.

    The usual version followed the following format; but you x, so I y. The implication was that she HAD to act ‘y’ because I acted ‘x’. This is how many women seek to avoid, or rather shift, the consequences of their actions. It does not matter how vile their behavior is, they will seek to shift the consequences, usually to their husband.

    Mrs. Apostle is forbidden from using “but you” or “you always” statements in discussions. I can’t stand them and if she starts she gets called on it immediately.

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    • Jack says:

      “The implication was that she HAD to act ‘y’ because I acted ‘x’.”

      This reminds me…

      Almost one year ago, we covered this behavior in Moral Guidance Based Feedback vs. Sexual Attention (2021/11/24) and No More Mrs. Hot Mess! (2021/11/29). Statements like this are totally justified from the perspective of the female covert contract.

      From the latter post.

      “Women never see anything as “their fault”. Women are scarcely aware of the cause and effect – that what “just happens” to them causes them to respond and make decisions. They are not aware that the decisions they make are self-protective measures based on avoiding or controlling pain and suffering. They can’t seem to comprehend that they are held responsible for those decisions and responses, regardless of what “just happens” to them.

      It’s difficult for women to figure this out. Femmy even said women are blind to it.”

      This ties directly in to our current topic of Women’s Agency.

      Also see these.

      Σ Frame: Women Rely on a Man’s Frame for Redemptive Introspection (2021-06-28)
      Σ Frame: Why challenge the character of your wife? (2021-07-07)

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  9. cameron232 says:

    Here you go boys. Here’s some accountability and consequences for a female. Here’s teaching her to own her agency. Courtesy of Mr. Putin’s Russia.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-livid-brittney-griner-transferred-russian-forced-labor-camp

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  10. feeriker says:

    same guard: Takes a drag from his smoke with one hand while holding his glass of wadKA with the other

    I was going to say “maybe they’ll torture her by forcing her to have heterosexual sex with a man.” Except I can’t think of any man who would volunteer for it. Maybe they’d force a male prisoner to do it?

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  14. feeriker says:

    My dad did forced labor at Goli Otok off the coast of Croatia. He still had the frisbite scars on the backs of his hands from working in freezing temps with no gloves.

    Americans are pu$$ies.

    I sometimes wonder what immigrants from Eastern Europe who came to the USA before or immediately after the “Iron Curtain’s” fall think of what is happening to their adopted country today, now that it’s apoearing to tranform itself into a redux of the countries they fled in the past.

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    • Oscar says:

      I can tell you what this Latin American escapee from Communism thinks.

      We all know – or feel – that the USA is headed for a crash with a bunch of drunks at the wheel. I take consolation in the thought that the other great powers are headed towards crashes of their own.

      Officially, China’s population began to shrink this year, which is a lot earlier than I expected. But those are the official numbers. Knowing the CCP, their population implosion probably started years ago, and they’re just now admitting to it. Their Christian population is growing, which means that China will be Christian in the future, but they probably have a lot of suffering between now and then.

      India may emerge as Asia’s great power, but they have demographic issues of their own.

      The Russian Federation’s population is shrinking, especially the ethnic Russians. Their Muslim population is growing, which means that the Russian Federation will be Muslim in a few decades.

      The Europeans chose to make themselves dependent on Russia while chasing “green” fantasies, so they’re screwed (except for France).

      And, in the non-great-power world, large portions of Africa and the Middle East depend on Russia, Ukraine and Belarus for food and fertilizer, none of which are flowing like normal.

      We’re in for a fun few decades, boys.

      Best case scenario, the USA comes out of the other side of the crash poorer (but still better off than most of the world), more self-sufficient, and pretty isolationist.

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      • Oscar says:

        I should clarify that the reason “I take consolation in the thought that the other great powers are headed towards crashes of their own” is not because I want others to suffer.

        Historically, when an empire collapses, rising powers pick it apart like hyenas tearing at a dying buffalo. That would be terrible for our children and grandchildren.

        Depending on when our crash happens, the other powers may have already crashed, or they may be in the process of crashing themselves. That would leave no one to tear us apart in our weakened state.

        Hopefully old Otto Von Bismark will prove right one more time.

        There is a Providence that looks after drunks, idiots, children, and the United States of America. ~ Otto Von Bismark

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      • Oscar says:

        I don’t know how this works in the spiritual realm, but I’d love to see more of this, if only because it scares away leftists.

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    • Scott says:

      At the Serbian Orthodox Church in Leander, TX there are some fresh-off-the-boat Yugoslavian
      War(s) veterans who have some absolutely crazy experiences.

      One guy hid under a pile of dead bodies to escape capture.

      They are married to super sweet wives who know how to cook and look nice when they are in public with their blue-collar Serb war veteran husbands in public.

      It’s really weird to them when they hear Americans talk about social “injustices” and how hard life supposedly is here.

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      • info says:

        @Scott

        The nature of the problem in America is Spiritual. Its Spiritual attack. Poorly equipped people who got defeated.

        Its attack through psychological operations and propaganda.

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