What we’ve learned about Feminine Submission

Is she a maidenly Mother or a meretricious Mustang?

Readership: All; Men; Married Men; Marriage Minded Men;
Theme: Feminine Submission
Length: 1,600 words
Reading Time: 9 minutes

Introduction

I’m relieved that this will be the last post for this month’s theme about Feminine Submission.  It has been exhausting!  There’s been way too many posts and topics to cover under this theme and it just keeps unfolding.  Looking back, I think this could have been a 2 or 3 month long theme!

This post collects some things we’ve learned, and offers comprehensive answers to some basic questions about Female Submission.  Posts are listed in 4 groups of weekly topics, each followed by some conclusions about that topic.

Week 1 – Identifying Feminine Submission

  1. Σ Frame (Red Pill Apostle): The Value of Feminine Humility (2022/10/4)
  2. Σ Frame (Jack): Nita Marie’s threesome with her second husband and God (2022/10/5)
  3. Σ Frame (Jack): The Glory of Submission and Humility in Helping (2022/10/6)
  4. Σ Frame (Jack): 16 Permutations of Submission (2022/10/7)

Women need some type of covering, whether it be a father, husband, or big brother gubmint.  Otherwise they feel insecure and grasp for control.  Even if/when she has a covering, if she is made privy to any of the weaknesses of that covering or if she lacks any particular amenities or pleasantries in the arrangement which she expects or feels entitled to, then she’ll be itching to usurp control.

For a single woman, her submission to God is most important for her spiritual life.  But for a married woman, her submission to her husband is most important for both her spiritual life and her marriage life.

Female humility and submission are immensely valuable, but also very difficult to cultivate within marriage.  Women who discover the tremendous value of feminine humility and submission tend to wh0re themselves out for attention and money rather than faithfully apply it towards blessing a husband and family.

Week 2 – The Rodeo of Feminine Submission

  1. Σ Frame (Jack): Sexy (2022/10/10)
  2. Σ Frame (Jack): Validation (2022/10/11)
  3. Σ Frame (Jack): Erotic Blueprints and Personality (2022/10/12)
  4. Σ Frame (Jack): Riding the Raging Rivulet (2022/10/13)
  5. Σ Frame (Jack*): Sexual Submission (2022/10/14)
  6. Σ Frame (Jack*): The Wages of Sin are Paid in Marriage (2022/10/15)

About post 1, my experience living in Taiwan has informed me that it is quite possible for women to be alluring, demure, faithful, feminine, humble, sultry, and vulnerable all at once — the core traits of sexiness.  IOW, women can be sexy but NOT sexually liberated.

But in the West these days, most all women are sexually liberated, even those who are rather far removed from being Sexy.  Thus, “sexy” is equivalent to sexual liberation, and this has become the cultural norm.  Western Men, including Christian Men, are so used to this that they are confused about (1) the core traits of feminine sex appeal, (2) the moral and social value of feminine sex appeal, (3) what Christian femininity is supposed to look like, and (4) that these things are not necessarily incompatible.  Some readers even accused me of altering definitions of commonly used words and religious terminology in order to make this argument.  Well, you’re welcome to take these observations on faith, or else call me crazy, but the former might be more helpful.

Sexually liberated women, including most all Western women, are like a wild mustang — they are difficult or impossible to catch, tame, and domesticate.  Whether it is difficult or impossible all depends on the character of the man. For the rough riding ranch hand with years of experience, it is difficult. For greenhorn Opie, it’s impossible. Overall, I agree with RedPillBoomer that it’s not worth the effort.  But for men already married to such a woman, it is necessary.  Posts 2-5 relayed some methods for making progress, while post 6 reported some consequences that may need to be shouldered.

In writing about these things, it was difficult for me to discourage Opies from the false confidence of thinking they can ride the bull, while at the same time encourage unfortunate married men striving to become old ranch hands.

Week 3 – Managing Feminine Submission

  1. Σ Frame (Jack*): Women submit to their Head (2022/10/17)
  2. Σ Frame (Red Pill Apostle, Jack): What does a Proverbs 31 relationship look like? (2022/10/18)
  3. Σ Frame (Red Pill Apostle): Laying out Boundaries (2022/10/19)
  4. Σ Frame (Jack): Laying out Expectations (2022/10/20)
  5. Σ Frame (Jack): Name it to Change it! (2022/10/21)

All women are submissive to someone or something.

Most men who are crazy or horny enough to commit themselves to a relationship have poorly formed expectations, and therefore fail to communicate them. Also, enforcing boundaries is low on priorities, or they are afraid to enforce boundaries out of fear of losing the opportunity to consolidate on this aspect of a potential domain. Moreover, the Headship qualities of marriage are spoiled from the onset. It is really difficult to change this condition once it is in place and the relationship has gained momentum in this direction.

Week 4 – The Social and Metaphysical Dynamics of Feminine Submission

  1. Σ Frame (Jack*): Validation is about Losing Self-Control (2022/10/24)
  2. Σ Frame (Jack*): Game is an invitation to Humility (2022/10/25)
  3. Σ Frame (Red Pill Apostle, Jack): Why are women willingly submissive to authorities, but not to their husbands? (2022/10/26)
  4. Σ Frame (Red Pill Apostle, Jack): Very few women can be Molded. (2022/10/27)
  5. Σ Frame (Jack): It’s her choice whether or not to submit. (2022/10/28)
  6. Σ Frame (Jack): Repentance and Submission (2022/10/30)

One big concept we covered (in post 1) is that Validation involves Humility.  A woman is humbled when a man rules over her and she experiences this as Validation.  Without the ruling and the humility, women will not perceive intercourse as Validating and will view sex as a chore, or worse (e.g. sour gr@pe juice).  Stroking her ego as well as her pleasure synapses will help keep her in this Frame.

The more complex formula is…

Validation = Domination + Defilement –> Humility + Ego Affirmation –> Her Feeling Loved

Here it should be noted that Sanctification and Defilement have many similarities, and the thing that sets them apart is the context.  Sex sanctifies a woman to one man and defiles her to all others.  Thus, sex contributes to sanctification within marriage and to defilement outside of it.

Another major thing we learned (in post 2) is that the underlying effect of Game is to humble a woman in order to soften her defenses.  Hence,

Game –> Humility –> Her Feeling Loved

This is why I advocated using Game with a contentious / defiled / rebellious wife.  If she doesn’t respond to Christian love, she may still respond to feeelings of love.  (I have a post in the works that will explain this connection in more detail.)

On the topic of Game, one particularly contentious reader wrote to me privately saying,

“[Your arguments] fail miserably out of not knowing Red Pill nor Game!

A TRUE Christian woman submits and needs NOT to be gamed.  Do you NOT know this?”

I would correct his statement to read, A SPIRITUALLY MATURE Christian woman submits and needs NOT to be gamed.”  Although it does stand to reason that if a wife utterly refuses to submit, then she is likely neither mature nor Christian.  My apologies if this was not already made abundantly clear in post 17.

Finally, my last post emphasized that her willing submission does not necessarily involve nor produce a change of heart.  Her repentance is necessary to do this. This hearkens back to what Deep Strength wrote in The goal for Christian husbands whose wives deny them should not be sex but their wife’s repentance (2019/10/29).

Conclusions

Red Pill Apostle wrote an email to me describing the highlights of his study of 1 Corinthians 7 and how well it matched up to this month’s theme and the whole Σ Frame blog.  He wrote,

“The unifying theme for your blog is that marriage is trouble in the flesh.  Every post touches on the concept of trouble, whether the topic is avoiding it, managing it, or mitigating it.”

Yes, St. Paul summarized the whole shebang when he said,

Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that.  29 This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short.  From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, 30 and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, 31 and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it.  For the present form of this world is passing away.

1 Corinthians 7:28b-31 (ESV)

Let the matter be concluded as thus.

When vetting, the question is whether she is submissive to her father.  If so, then you have found a precious pearl of great price.  If she has been sexually liberated in her youth and has since truly repented and is submissive to the Lord, you have found a rare ruby.  If she is neither, then she serves another god and the marriage minded man should steer clear of her.  Beware of the imposters who wh0re themselves out and will defraud a husband when married.

If she is married, what matters is her submission to her husband.  If she is rebellious and headstrong, then the question remains whether she can be brought around to repentance or not (1 Corinthians 7:16).

* These posts were written in response to readers’ questions.  I’ve had a lot of emails asking questions that I’ve tried to address in the posts.  I haven’t been able to cover all these questions, but I’ll come back to the one’s I’ve missed in due time.

Exit Questions

  1. What is it about female submission that you had hoped to learn from this month’s theme?  Did you find a satisfying answer to this question?
  2. What is something new and perhaps unexpected that you learned from this month’s theme?

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42 Responses to What we’ve learned about Feminine Submission

  1. redpillboomer says:

    “I would correct his statement to read, “A SPIRITUALLY MATURE Christian woman submits and needs NOT to be gamed.””

    Well, I have one of these women, spiritually mature, and you’re right, she doesn’t need to be gamed. What she needs, actually loves, is for me to LEAD; in what? everything in life. She’s an “equal partner” in that she contributes equally in the relationship, not in the secular egalitarian sense, but in the “role” sense. She plays her role well, the submissive, loving wife, who delivers pretty much everything inside of that role. AND…it’s taken 30+ years to get here, ten rocky ones in the beginning (her getting well, healing), and twenty growing ones after that. Now it’s really good.

    I was doing my thought experiment at church yesterday that I mentioned in the previous post I made. I observed four women ranging from 24 to mid-thirties, all mothers too. Are they “spiritually mature” yet? Maybe, but I’d label them growing and SUBMISSIVE to their husbands. I could sense by looking at them, the aura they gave off, that without a doubt, they satisfy their husbands sexually. There’s a wholesomeness about them, and I don’t mean the goody-two-shoes version of wholesomeness, I mean they occur to me as women that can satisfy their husband in bed as well as any secular, sexually knowledgeable woman. By that I mean, if he wants her to, she’ll do pretty much do it all. The big difference is it doesn’t occur as slutty, but wholesome, if that makes sense?

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    • Scott says:

      It makes perfect sense. The absolute best sex ever is with your own wife, in the house you built for her, while all the little babies you made sleep in their beds down the hall.

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    • info says:

      Wholesome or Holy sexuality as God intended. The “Song of Solomon” and Proverbs 5 played out properly.

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    • info says:

      The experience of wholesomeness also confirms the King James translation:

      Hebrews 13:4
      “Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.”

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    • Oscar says:

      The word “wholesome” means that something remains whole. In other words, no part of it has been take away, nor has any contaminant been introduced.

      When you introduce a contaminant, the contaminated thing is said to have been “adulterated”.

      Id say that’s appropriate.

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  2. jorgen says:

    I might still think its worth it if I lived in Asia among those Taiwanese Lasses but if I did their bahavior would probably change my mind even about that.

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  3. Bardelys the Magnificent says:

    There seems to be a point here where things are split in half and reality exists at the extremes. All the effort required to master women makes them look like such a humongous pain in the ass that the rational man has to ask himself if it’s worth it (many men do ask, and determine that it is not). Yet there are those that say women who are spiritually grounded do not need all of this work (but finding one is an equally large pain in the ass).

    Then we have the female agency problem. Women have free will and can choose to submit, and that submission is not predicated on anything their husband does. Yet at the same time, women are like Sim characters that need constant instruction and supervision from their fathers or husbands or else they set the kitchen on fire.

    You get the idea. Some of you are firmly in one camp or the other. That’s fine. But if you’re not, or you think there should be a middle ground between the extremes, how do you square this circle? Can it be done? If so, can it be packaged in any way other than “I found a unicorn”, “I had to put up with misery and a dead bedroom for a decade first”, or “I had to half beat the sh!t out of her, now she’s sanctified!” I think that’s the lynchpin here.

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    • info says:

      @Bardelys the Magnificent

      Marriage is the means of sanctification for both. It is cruciform requiring daily dying to oneself. Until death frees us from sin and we are to be resurrected in the future.

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      • horten says:

        “Marriage is the means of sanctification for both. Until death frees us from sin and we are to be resurrected in the future.”

        No. This is the doctrine of the Jew Dennis Prager which he replaced Christianity with. This is Churchianity, that marriage is what saves so Jesus wasted his time on the cross. The only difference is you included the woman as needing salvation.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Sanctification and justification are not the same … God absolutely uses marriage as a sanctifying relationship for his children. In many cases with married believers, their marriage may be the primary means of sanctification for them. Sanctification is an ongoing process until death, making it related to, yet separate from Christ’s death on the cross which is the legal means of justifying sinners before God.

        Sincerely,

        A genetically partly Jewish Presbyterian (PCA, not USA as they can be doctrinally quite sketchy) redneck

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    • Oscar says:

      Do you know what you call a person who has free will, but requires constant instruction and supervision?

      A child.

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    • You get the idea. Some of you are firmly in one camp or the other. That’s fine. But if you’re not, or you think there should be a middle ground between the extremes, how do you square this circle? Can it be done? If so, can it be packaged in any way other than “I found a unicorn”, “I had to put up with misery and a dead bedroom for a decade first”, or “I had to half beat the sh!t out of her, now she’s sanctified!” I think that’s the lynchpin here.

      Like I’ve said continually:

      A husband is responsible for his own actions
      A husband is responsible for influencing/leading/loving his wife in a sanctifying manner (Eph 5, Col 3, 1 Peter 3, 1 Cor 7 & 11, etc.)
      A wife is responsible for her own actions
      A wife is responsible for influencing/submitting/respecting her husband in a sanctifying manner (e.g. 1 Peter 3, Titus 2, Eph 5, Col 3, 1 Cor 7, etc.)

      Both the husband and wife are responsible for their own behavior and helping sanctify the other.

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      • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

        If a wife can refuse to submit, then God cannot hold it against us if she does so. Nor can we blame the husband for her disobedience. But that is not what is said or implied, here or anywhere else.

        If getting a woman who submits, of her own free will and not through “game”, is like finding a unicorn, then we need to leave it at that and shut the blog down, because there’s not much else to be said.

        If we take the position that women are children, then WOMEN ARE CHILDREN needs to be put in the banner so the message can be broadcast loud and clear. We also need to focus our energies on getting legal authority back, because we won’t be able to do our jobs without it.

        Can you not see how you cannot hold all three positions at the same time? Women cannot be children who also have autonomy, because the definition of a child is that they do not. Either they have agency or they don’t. Either we are responsible for them or we are not. We’re trying to have it three ways figuring this out. Either women are a game we can win, or they ate not and we shouldn’t we wasting our time worrying about them. None of the testimonies given this month has convinced me that they can be won, or that the juice is worth the squeeze. I want to be wrong on this. I just can’t see it when there are contradictory worldviews here.

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      • @ Bardelys the Magnificent,

        “If getting a woman who submits, of her own free will and not through “game”, is like finding a unicorn, then we need to leave it at that and shut the blog down, because there’s not much else to be said.

        If we take the position that women are children, then WOMEN ARE CHILDREN needs to be put in the banner so the message can be broadcast loud and clear. We also need to focus our energies on getting legal authority back, because we won’t be able to do our jobs without it.”

        Who’s claiming that?

        The Bible specifically says that one of the responsibilities of a husband is to sanctify the wife.

        Why would God command that if husbands cannot actually accomplish it?

        “Can you not see how you cannot hold all three positions at the same time? Women cannot be children who also have autonomy, because the definition of a child is that they do not. Either they have agency or they don’t. Either we are responsible for them or we are not. We’re trying to have it three ways figuring this out. Either women are a game we can win, or they ate not and we shouldn’t we wasting our time worrying about them. None of the testimonies given this month has convinced me that they can be won, or that the juice is worth the squeeze. I want to be wrong on this. I just can’t see it when there are contradictory worldviews here.”

        Black and white thinking is a waste of time. Half your problem is assuming that women are like men which is a post-modernist / liberal thought process.

        The Bible also says that women are more easily deceived which appears to be true especially with “liberal Christianity.” Women are a “weaker vessel” and generally need helped and led with more attention and care than men.

        Do you teach boys the same thing as girls? If not, why would you do the same for men and women? Like feminism, this is one of the false truths that permeates our culture. Men and women are different. They need to be approached differently, led differently, taught differently. Obviously some similar concepts apply like general charisma and such but thinking that men and women are the same is going to sabotage your effectiveness.

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      • Scott says:

        BtM

        I don’t think I would call those women unicorns. But I would say the two people who are matched up personality-wise to the point where their marriage is relatively free of dysfunction, weird enmeshment issues and conflict are super rare.

        If you find someone like that just enjoy it. But if this site and others like it tell us anything, it’s that we have done irreversible damage to the likelihood of finding that. Some of it has intentional, some of it unintended side effects of larger trends.

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      • info says:

        @Scott

        I’d say this. There are instances of barrenness in scripture where the line is supposed to end but God made it fruitful again. So what is impossible for men isn’t impossible for God.

        Only that we petition him through Prayer to step in. Until we get Justice may we indeed be like the bothersome widow with the unjust judge. I thoroughly believe God will overcome this especially where it concerns his children.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ BtM,

        I’m the one who wrote that people who have free will but require constant supervision are children. That doesn’t mean that I believe every woman is a child.

        The fact is that adulthood begins with taking responsibility for ones self, then matures by taking responsibility for others. By that standard, a lot of adults – both male and female – are overgrown children.

        Look at it this way. Toddler 1 sees toddler 2 with a toy he wants. Toddler 1 takes the toy. When toddler 2 tries to take it back, toddler 1 hits him on the head with the toy.

        That’s normal toddler behavior that parents have to teach them to stop. Now, extrapolate that behavior to two adult men. That’s called robbery and aggravated assault.

        Every man in prison for a violent crime is basically an overgrown toddler that never learned to regulate his impulses. Many of them never will. Does that mean all men are overgrown children?

        Of course not.

        The difference is that for several generations now women have been allowed to get away with a lot more childish behavior than men have (in general). There are responsible women out there. Whether finding one is worth your time and effort is up to you.

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      • Joe2 says:

        “I don’t think I would call those women unicorns. But I would say the two people who are matched up personality-wise to the point where their marriage is relatively free of dysfunction, weird enmeshment issues and conflict are super rare. If you find someone like that just enjoy it.”

        This situation is not unique to marriage. The same can be said for your working environment and supervisor or supervisors.

        Each work situation, whether it be in an office, shop, store, etc., has what is known as a “corporate culture” which reflects the personalities and sets the working atmosphere that is experienced. And you can have a personality clash with your supervisor or you can get along with your supervisor and really enjoy reporting to that individual.

        Many people, if not most, leave jobs or ask for transfers because they don’t fit in with the culture or have some type of personality conflict which makes working unbearable. Those who fit in well with the culture and are matched up personality-wise with their supervisor are truly blessed.

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  4. Elspeth says:

    Totally off topic, but I thought of RPA when I saw this:

    My husband said (as we have seen countless number of these black “church pastors” this fall spouting this nonsense): “I hope every white person in GA shows up from under every rock and around every corner by the millions and millions to shut this nonsense down because these people forget that metro ATL is not the sum total of Georgia.”

    I feel like wise. These people are apostates. Anyone who elevates their earthly heritage above God’s truth is violating a clear command of Christ:

    “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    This anti-Christian, anti-marriage, anti-motherhood queer woman isn’t even related to these people and they are throwing Jesus under the bus because she has dark skin.

    I know there is a strong undercurrent of “don’t vote” in the reactionary sphere, but up there in GA, y’all gotta turn out. Seriously.

    Ugh…

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      Aside from all the objections you stated against Stacey Abrams, she lets political ideology, even when that ideology is falsehood, get in the way of what would be good for the state.

      The reason the 2021 All Star game was played in Denver instead of Atlanta is because she stoked the fires of racism over our voting law that basically requires some form of identifying who you are and that you are in fact eligible to vote in our elections. The estimated lost revenue to businesses in and around Atlanta was $250,000,000 and we are seeing record voting turn out so far in early elections in a midterm year.

      Most of the ads I have seen for her try to paint the image of a person who is likeable and that people can relate to. The issue is that her unscripted moments come across angry and nagging about oppressive laws even when those laws that are supposed to suppress voting are followed by elections with what is trending as record turnout.

      She’s a darling of the far left and has approached her campaign as if it were in the bag. Right now I think Kemp’s poll numbers are slightly over 50% which is promising for his reelection. He did a good job through Covid, almost as good as DeSantis.

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      • Elspeth says:

        Yes, I read quite a lot about how her shenanigans, which cost ATL the All-Star game, actually hurt thousands of the people she was supposedly advocating for.

        Par for the course. Leftists always destroy the very people they claim to care about because those people are too gullible to understand or too clueless to looks around and see that 60 years of this has gotten them nothing.

        I have a brother who is kind of afro-centric. His answer to this whole thing is to simply not vote. He’s not going to vote GOP, but he has decided that to vote Dem is equally traitorous to his beliefs.

        We disagree quite frequently, but I have always appreciated the consistency of his position when it comes to voting. You don’t avoid poisoning from anthrax by drinking cyanide instead.

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    • feeriker says:

      “I feel like wise. These people are apostates.”

      Apostasy comes in all colors these days. It’s genuine faith, in any color, that’s becoming as rare a find as the Holy Grail.

      As for elections, that ship left port a looooong time ago. The whole system is compromised, at every level of government, co-opted by the One World Globalists who are determined to seize all power by any means necessary, no matter how overtly criminal. The mid-term “elections” are already over, the results determined long before the voting ever started. Tuesday November 8th is just going to be a piece of expensive theater for the entertainment of masses.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Agree. I try to tell a few “small letter c” conservatives / republicans I know out here, “Do you honestly believe after the election, they are going to do anything they say?”

        1994 was a massive opportunity to set the nation back on a track of responsibilty at the federal level, they promised everything. All they did was pass a welfare reform bill, that was watered down within five years, and then…they went right for the Clintons. Charges, special commissions, special hearings, inquiries, another investigation upon investigation; complaining and whining “we need the executive branch to get anything done! Liberal Bill Clinton won’t let-us-do-anything! Mean Hillary Clinton is stopping us!”

        Despite controlling most of the statehouses and assemblies, and a majority in both chambers at the federal level, and a court that ‘leaned” to the right.

        Already on the news (Fox) the pundits and guest politicians they are bringing on are saying “first thing we do in January is open special hearings, appoint this and that commission, investigate and remove this one and that one, file charges here, here and here. Fire this person and that person…”

        When most voters who are going to vote for them want: crime lowered, inflation and the economic mess at least tackled and explained in a way of how they are going to handle it for dullards like me. War and potential for war with a nuclear power de-escalated to at least talking and communicating.

        Most people dont want another two years of the now majority party spending every second of free time preaching on how “moral” they are while the other side is pure evil……you can bet “spending bills” will be passed / used (un-Constitutional btw).

        I lost my faith in this whole system soon after 9/11/01. Most people know something is very, very wrong and has been……but they are really powerless to do anything about it.

        People ask me “well smart guy…what’s your solution?” And really, its way above my pay grade…but I will say this:

        No politician is allowed to own a “home” in Washington DC. They have to RETURN to their HOME districts after session is over so they can see the laws and rules they pass, and how they affect where they are from. All pay is gone. They get a stipend for “serving their country” that is average in US wages or the medium. They get NO pension. NO healthcare. They get reimbursed for their traveling expenses (hotels, meals, airline). They get a spending allotment to run their office and staff in DC.

        That probably could fix a few of the problems we have there right now. No republican or democrat in the senate / or congress would ever support this. You know there is a problem with any of them that would disagree with this.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Oh…and if a Senator or Congressman wants his or her family / children with them while working in Washington DC????

        Their children go to one of the local excellent PUBLIC SCHOOLS (and the politicians in DC tell us how great they are “teachers in DC put in 110% every day! Too bad the mean old men in Congress dont pay them enough!!”

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        “No politician is allowed to own a “home” in Washington DC. They have to RETURN to their HOME districts after session is over so they can see the laws and rules they pass, and how they affect where they are from. All pay is gone. They get a stipend for “serving their country” that is average in US wages or the medium. They get NO pension. NO healthcare. They get reimbursed for their traveling expenses (hotels, meals, airline). They get a spending allotment to run their office and staff in DC.”

        This is smart. States that have part time legislatures tend to have less bureaucracy and less rules that invade people’s lives. A big part of that is that the elected officials have jobs in their communities and are forced to interact with the people the represent. It’s exceedingly harder to cater to special interests and screw over the parent you sit next to at little league when you actually have to sit next to that parent you screwed over at every game. I would imagine there would be a similar effect with representatives and senators. I think their staff should be housed in the district or state they represent aw well.

        No pay or benefits is a good idea too. Include the staff in that. Laws used to be simple enough that they could be much more easily read and understood, not 2000+ page evidence exhibits of tree murder that Ivy League educated attorneys can’t even understand. If you need a full time staff to understand a bill it’s too long and prone to special interest payoffs. If the person who is supposedly representing constituents can’t understand the legislation on their own, they should not vote for it.

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      • info says:

        @Red Pill Apostle

        They will regardless attempt to turn their positions into a grift regards of sound regulations in the beginning.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Info,

        “They will regardless attempt to turn their positions into a grift regards of sound regulations in the beginning.”

        Grift is expected in government and with politicians. Grift will happen if they are in DC or in their own district. The question is, do you want the grifting politician in DC or in your backyard where it will be easier to see what they are doing?

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      • thedeti says:

        Lastmod

        Good statement on Congressional benefits limits.

        And I would impose term limits. 2 terms for senators; 6 for representatives. After that you can never serve in Congress again. Oh and none of this double dipping. If you served in one house you’re ineligible for service in or election to the other.

        I would go back to state legislatures selecting senators – no direct election for senators. 2 terms. That’s it.

        I would impose a one year limitation on ex-congressman lobbying. After you leave congress you can’t work as a lobbyist for a year.

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  5. Lastmod says:

    Was listening to a talk radio program (local LA AM station) while driving in LA last night on the way to a job that had a few problems (always late at night these calls come…)

    It was talking about suicide, and mental health problems. It had some “doctor” on as the guest. He did the usual tripe about teens cutting themselves today “more than ever” and mental health “not available to women”. Women being more unhappy today now more than ever…..the usual

    Then he said about how middle aged white men have the highest rate of suicide in the USA today. The host of course was “astonished” by this cold fact. White men own everything, have perfect lives, and wake up every day trying to make women, minorities and other groups misereable. That is their goal right????

    He mentioned the highest rate is divorced / and never married. Childfree. He gave warning signs (which I thought were funny, twenty years behind the times) to watch out for. He mentioned that men need to find fun things to do to “stay connected” with other men. He also didnt rule out fistfuls of pills and counseling for the rest of their lives type of thing.

    The powers that be still want to pin down, med up and deem single childfree white men as “dangerous” and “a ticking time bomb” and the divorced white men as men that “hate and want to harm women”

    The calls that came in…were not really sympathetic to what is happening “suicide is high because white men are finally understanding what women have gone through since the founding of America” was the general tone of the calls.

    A few calls “People just need to face their problesm, pull themselves up by the bootstraps, not that hard” statements. Here was a talk show, middle age men are killing themselves at a higher rate than ever, and its growing……

    Still. “Contempt” for them. All the calls to the show were “making excuses” and “women have it worse”

    I felt suddenly very sad. I had to turn it off.

    As to the conversation about being stuck………and “making excuses”

    I know Incels, personally. Met a few fellow travelers in person. Met a few MGTOWs in person from forums over the years.

    The problem isn’t “oh these men just need to stop making excuses”

    The problem is after a certain age, the utility for men really becomes zero if they have not accomplished anything. What do you tell a man past his prime, a failure at life, bad genetics?

    “Jesus loves you so much!”

    He wont fit in with men at a church, he wont fit in well in really anything else……society kind of finds him useless. Suicide I guess is the only option for many.

    They are told to man up, own up, do more, be better, and the pushback for even trying now is contempt. Inside and outside the church. They didnt do it right! They should have! They made a foolish choice! They could have!

    All these men cannot be wrong. All these men were not raised by feminists in broken homes. All these men are not obese. All these men are not mouth breathers with greasy glasses and bad haircuts. Something is just odd

    Women of course will tell them to just get some “confidence” and elite men tell them to stop making excuses, and sh*t on them….

    Is it no surprise? To me it isnt…but to the callers into this radiuo show, the guest doctor and the host….they couldnt grasp the “why”

    I could explain, but I would be told I was wrong 😉

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    • feeriker says:

      The majority of the mainstream media, of which these radio talk shows are a part, are not only made up of far-left celebrity types who are clueless about real people in the real world, but who are also hostile to the idea of actually solving any of society’s problems, all of their hypocritically platitudinous verbal vomitus to the contrary notwithstanding. It’s driven by a mixture of nihilism and selfishness. Nihilism because they actually despise ordinary people, whom they regard as their inferiors, and selfishness because actually solving any of society’s problems would both rob them of a platform and improve the lives of people they despise. Neither one of these outcomes is acceptable to them.

      The radio host, the doctor guest, and the callers all shared a hatred of white males, a complete lack of empathy for them, and thus no desire whatsoever to address the issue of the suicide epidemic in that demographic. They were clueless, but wouldn’t choose to have a clue even if one was gilded and giftwrapped for them. Come to think of it, this isn’t just the attitude of the Far Left, it’s pretty much the attitude of the entire sociopolitical spectrum that isn’t associated with the secular or Christian androsphere.

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    • info says:

      Suicide is just giving in to a hostile society that hates you. Living for Christ is effective defiance.

      If demons want you to share the misery in hell suicide is what they will encourage without you actually grasping the redemption of the risen Jesus Christ.

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      • Jack says:

        My father believed that people who commit suicide are eternally damned. I’ve thought about this question myself and I can’t find irrefutable evidence one way or the other, but my gut tells me my father is right.

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      • info says:

        @Jack

        Judas died without seeking forgiveness and hence he is lost forever.

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  6. Lastmod says:

    “If demons want you to share the misery in hell suicide is what they will encourage without you actually grasping the redemption of the risen Jesus Christ.”

    If that were indeed 100% true, then the explosion of “christian” therapists, counselors and quacks who got their degrees from “christian” colleges and universities are missing something, as are the people who are depressed and are professing christian. They just obviously are not trusting “jesus” enough

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