Scott is not Black Pilled

Pointing out the not-so-obvious.

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Scott is unlike the others

Scott has often been characterized as being Black Pilled. But here, I’ll describe why this is a gross misnomber.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Scott, he’s a retired Major from the U.S. Army. He holds a Ph.D. in psychology and specializes in counseling. Currently, he runs his own business offering clinical services, Treasure State Psychological Services. He’s 50 years old, lives on a huge ranch in rural Montana, and he’s happily married with several children. He’s been around the Manosphere for at least 10 years. He was the author behind the blog, American Dad (now closed down). From 2013 to 2015, he hosted a weblog promulgating institutionalized courtship procedures for Orthodox Christians. That site was called Courtship Pledge (archived ca. 2015). He started writing at Σ Frame in early 2020, and has contributed posts on an irregular basis since then. Recently, he opened a new blog on Substack entitled, The Age of Subjectivity. His biggest contributions to the Red Pill lore concern (1) the Meet Cute phenomenon, (2) implications of the Meet Cute, and (3) Life Trajectories. A full listing of his posts on Σ Frame can be found here.

In addition to all these accomplishments, Scott maintains a Tingly Respect Headship within his own marriage, and he is rather vocal about this reality, unlike many other Manosphere authors who claim to be happily married but who say nothing about their personal lives.

My point here is that if anyone is qualified to signal status, it would be this guy. This puts him in the ideal position to be a mentor who offers guidance, grace, and forgiveness to others.

One of the things I like about Scott is that he’s an educated and articulate truth teller, and even though he is fully qualified to signal status, he doesn’t. He empathically reaches out to the common man and tries to help him wherever he might stand. He’s met or corresponded with several men pro bono, including some originating from this blog.

All in all, he’s developed a Redemptive Purpose that transcends any personal interest in grifting or status signaling.

Why do people think Scott is Black Pilled?

To answer this question, I’ll let Scott speak for himself. A couple years ago, he wrote,

“I believe that the Red Pill content creators (the big ones, Christian or not) are full of crap if they believe that true, visceral attraction can be created in a woman who never had it for you in the first place. Like within the first meeting.

Some of them have a conflict of interest in trying to create this fiction, because they sell books and have monetized YouTube accounts. It is in their best interest to make this seem possible.

But I have never seen a woman go from being luke warm about a guy and then become [truly] hot for him. She may settle and convince herself that she is attracted to a man who is the best she can get, but hot crazy in love?  No.

If you are not getting really obvious IOIs right from the start, move on. If that makes me “black pill” so be it. I want men to find women who cannot keep their hands off of them, otherwise they risk terrible destruction later on.”

Elsewhere, Scott explained,

“Those guys on the Red Man Group or Rule Zero or whatever have no incentive to talk about distributions and what they really mean because they will never make money that way. So they call guys like me “black pill”, which translated means, “He thinks you are a loser and he has no ideas for how to help.”

Of course, “help” means “get laid by multiple chicks from now until you are a 70-year-old Pick Up Artist.”

Note here that getting laid, or in some cases getting married, is a specific goal set up by Scott’s antagonists. This is an extremely narrow minded approach, and a fleshly one at that. Scott made light of the arrogant and selfish motives behind these perfunctory goals when he wrote,

“But their product is not much different than what they label “Black Pill”.  Watch a couple hours of it and see.

I mean, I kind of get it. I don’t talk like they do because I already have job.

Essentially they have to sell their thing like a carrot on a stick.

“Here’s all the stuff you need.”

I tried that and it didn’t work.

You didn’t do it right. / You have not internalized game.

–> Buy more books. –> Pay 300$ to come to this retreat. –> Get a super special membership so your chats will be first! (on these videos where we keep telling you are a loser and you don’t even know it.)”

If a man is not attuned to the incentives behind the motivations, then he is susceptible of falling for the faux-narratives and thereby backsliding to the initial stage of self-awareness.

60% social awareness, 40% sexual awareness, 0% self awareness.

Conclusions

I need to point out the obvious here.  Scott himself is not Black Pilled.  Like the saying goes, Pay attention to what they do, not to what they say.

Scott’s personal domain of influence (i.e. career, counseling service, marriage, and so on) is well established. He’s happily married. He doesn’t signal his status outside of an introduction, and he’s reaching out to other men on a regular basis. His purpose is to help other men.

The claim that Scott is Black Pilled arises from the psychological projection of those who are Black Pilled themselves, or who fear the Abyss. Thus, Scott’s statements are interpreted as a confirmation bias.  IOW, they can’t find the power of God necessary to pull through the local minima and escape the Abyss.

As Dark Brightness used to say,

“Do not be them. Do not be like them.”

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20 Responses to Scott is not Black Pilled

  1. Lastmod says:

    I met Scott. No, we are not buddies. I have his email. I leave him alone. He can’t help me because I cannot be helped, and he has what you call a LIFE.
    He’s busy. He has responsibilities that I cannot comprehend. He’s a better man than I will ever be.

    I won’t go into great detail about our meeting, but when he and I met, he didn’t slip me the “answer” to my troubles. He didn’t setup “goals” and a “mission” for my life. He just listened to me. And to be fair to myself, I didn’t dump my problems on him and make them his.

    I cannot speak for him. But I will just say I think we were both surprised about each other. Our personal meeting did change both of our perceptions about each other. When we parted, we shook hands with mutual respect.

    I am Black Pill. Face and LMS are Black Pill. Thinking Ape is Black Pill.

    Scott is a genuine Christian.

    Scott is not Black Pill. No way. Anyone who says he is is spouting RUBBISH.

    The people who call Scott Black Pill are Red Pill honchos. One of them is Rollo. Jack left that part out. Scott dares to stray from the doctrines of Rollo, hence why he is called that. It’s intended to smear his sound background in matters at hand. It’s meant as a put down. It’s like how PUAs and Gamers call anyone a “Beta” for saying, “Hey… this doesn’t work.”

    For example, Scott has said in that video about his Meet Cute analysis (paraphrasing), “Once a man gets to a certain age and has never had a Meet Cute… no amount of “game” or going to the gym is going to help at that point.”

    He said it “broke his heart”.

    This is a comment that is very conveniently glossed over / left out / never highlighted by those Red Pill guys, because this bit of truth (which is the grace of God for guys like me) flies in the face of what they’re selling and slams the brakes on their egocentric grift.

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  2. ramman3000 says:

    “unlike many other Manosphere authors who claim to be happily married but who say nothing about their personal lives.”

    For myself, that’s not likely to change. In my complex real life, more often than not I am the one who is relying on others for assistance, rather than the one providing assistance. Jesus calls us to be available to help others, and I do so when I can, but as far as I can tell, no one is really interested in emulating me or seeking my advice, but if that ever changes I’ll do what I must.

    I’ve made some email contact with a few men in the sphere (my email is public), but no one has ever taken me up on my offer to meet me in meatspace for a visit or to go church hunting in Lancaster.

    “But I will just say I think we were both surprised about each other. Our personal meeting did change both of our perceptions about each other. When we parted, we shook hands with mutual respect.”

    If Scott and Jason didn’t live thousands of miles away from me, I have no doubt that I could fellowship with either one of them with ease. I respect both men already.

    When Scott was on Twitter, he used to tag me on interesting posts that he thought would interest me. I miss him there, he was one of the better mutuals, but like Earl, I understood the need to let it go and step away. (I had to take a very long break from the blogosphere myself.) Scott is not black pill, that’s a ridiculous assertion. Anyone with eyes can see that.

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    • Lastmod says:

      In my last communication with Scott, I told him that he and his family are welcome anytime at my home in Pasadena. Both he and his wife I do know are natives of Los Angeles. This is open knowledge.

      He probably will never take me up on that, but it’s okay.

      I do know if I had a friend like Scott when I was a teen or a young man in college, I don’t believe I would be married, nor do I believe I would have transformed into some Alpha who “gets it” but a friendship like that probably would have given the semblance of stability where I could have perhaps fallen and lined on that instead of falling on drugs.

      I don’t know why Jack had to make a post about Scott not being Black Pill. Men like Scott cannot ever be Black Pill. Call it genetics. Environment raised in, maybe just timing in life (making the right choice or choices at the right time). A little luck and favor from God? Impossible to debate or track.

      Black Pill is becoming the normal default now. It’s not mainstream but I also remember Game and PUA almost twenty years ago giving a lot of sh*t to the early MOTOWN. Calling them defeatist. Losers. Guys who couldn’t get a gal anyway…. and other insults. Many of these same men now changed and think “MGTOW and Red Pill are kind of the same thing”, which is another desperate shoving in line by Red Pill to keep relevant in what is evolving.

      Men, us lower 80% got tired of being told we were lovers when we’re not.

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      • Derek Ramsey says:

        “Men like Scott cannot ever be Black Pill. Call it genetics. [..] Men, us lower 80% got tired of being told we were lovers when we’re not”

        It’s funny you say that. Scott and I are both heavily interested in HBD (Human Biodiversity) with its focus on genetic population differences. I frequently cite this quote (which I’m sure he agrees with)…

        “”It is a dangerous mistake to premise the moral equality of human beings on biological similarity because dissimilarity, once revealed, then becomes an argument for moral inequality.” — A.W.F. Edwards”

        …to highlight the belief that genetic differences do not have moral weight. Being genetically predisposed to advantage or disadvantage is not a moral judgment. Being in the lower 80% doesn’t make you a loser.

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      • Lastmod says:

        The word was supposed to be LOSERS… not lovers. Stupid autocorrect. 🙂

        You are speaking way above my intelligence level on the HBD thing, Derek. I just know that Scott was pleasant to me in our brief meeting, and I liked him. Not going overboard here but I will assume he enjoyed meeting me, he didn’t see me as incarnate evil and he talked to me like a man without using graphs, charts, and language that was beyond my comprehension.

        I have viewed studies on genetics and facial appearance. People with culturally attractive faces are viewed to be trustworthy, are believed to tell the truth, assumed that they make more money, are “good” and are “moral”.

        This is where I could no longer accept a strict belief in Christianity. God made all these people in his image, and purposely doomed most of them to a status where they had to endure being lectured to their whole lives, and I saw it in church (not just my own) and I could no longer be a part of something where I was told to suffer on matters that were of zero choice of my own.

        Everyone cites Job, or Jesus on the cross, or Daniel, or King David, or Solomon……… and they are forgetting how God spoke to these men personally, and they were EXCEPTIONAL to begin with. Daniel was very devout, highly educated, and smart. David, by just being an @ss, was loved by God “just because”, and Solomon was a very wise man, a king who had extreme privledge and evidently was endowed very well by God down below and with women. He wrote a whole book about that. Job had everything, and was prosperous….. Sure he had faith in God….. and his faith was not of this world. Also God in the end gave him back everything ten fold or something like that for his faith. I always wonder if God brought his sons back to life?

        Jesus was His only Son who never sinned, who wept, who led unperfect men around, and told people how to live. He was humble. He told us that His Father’s house / kingdom was for all…. Then along came Paul and all the walls and rules were made to keep people OUT.

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      • info says:

        @LastMod

        Regardless. The Historical fact of the resurrection shows us that Jesus is who he says he is.

        As for all the advantages of Job. Even when he had all that taken away and became a “Loser”. He didn’t curse God.

        It really does come down to “Faith”. As Abraham was called out of Ur out of his comfortable lifestyle to live in tents. And did it regardless of future uncertainty.

        Abraham went so far as to trust God with his own son Isaac who was 33 years old I believe believing he will raise Isaac from the dead.

        You can cease to believe in Jesus Christ and the fact that God will make all the present sufferings pale in comparison. But that is akin to casting your own potential life jacket away.

        I cannot stop you. But you will lose all this forever if you so choose.

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      • info says:

        @Lastmod

        Jeremiah isn’t “Exceptional”. He died a “loser”. As for God not personally speaking to you. He spoke to none of us “personally” as far as I know.

        I don’t think generally he needs to. Since we have the Scriptures. So God doesn’t need to repeat himself.

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  3. redpillboomer says:

    Scott’s quote says,

    “I believe that the Red Pill content creators (the big ones, Christian or not) are full of crap if they believe that true, visceral attraction can be created in a woman who never had it for you in the first place. Like within the first meeting.

    Some of them have a conflict of interest in trying to create this fiction, because they sell books and have monetized YouTube accounts. It is in their best interest to make this seem possible.”

    “Those guys on the Red Man Group or Rule Zero or whatever have no incentive to talk about distributions and what they really mean because they will never make money that way. So they call guys like me “black pill”, which translated means, “He thinks you are a loser and he has no ideas for how to help.”

    I think Scott hits on something important here. When a man, Christian or secular, begins to transition from a Blue Pill frame of reference to a Red Pill frame of reference regarding intersexual dynamics, he enters a world, aka the Manosphere, where insights/knowledge about female (and male nature to some extent) abound. However there are a lot of “sharks” in the Manospherian waters. By sharks, I mean men who have motives OTHER than just “truth telling”. Money making is the most obvious one, however there’s also ego, posturing (“I’m an Alpha, Frame Maintainer”, etc.), and other sh!tty things going on as well.

    When I became Red Pill almost five years ago now, I thought, “Wow, these guys really see something that in many ways has eluded me (my awareness, my understanding) for decades!” My Red Pill “rage” was primarily me being pissed off at myself for being “so stupid, for so long”, even though I was fortunate to not have gotten burned really badly by it in the real world (good marriage, etc). That was purely God’s grace as I’ve mentioned here before.

    When I found Dalrock’s sight, it was like a breath of fresh Manospherian air because now I had the opportunity to listen and learn from genuine BELIEVERS and not secular RP men. This continued on with this blog after Dalrock shut down. I have nothing against the secular content creators per se, but I do feel a Believer needs to listen to them with the proverbial grain of salt, or to put it more scripturally, “Wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove.”

    The Red Pill metaphor to me represents the truth about intersexual dynamics; however there’s the truth, and then there’s THE TRUTH, aka God’s Word. What I feel we men do here is sift and sort through the truth to get at THE TRUTH, God’s truth, the fullest context for everything. After all, He made man and woman, He knows the full extent of the effects of the fall, and He’s the one that can guide us through it. We just keep learning from one another, with Him overseeing it, and then we can turn around and help other men. IMO, that’s why we do this as Believers and it truly does separate us from the Secular Red Pill men. Not throwing shade on them, we just have a higher calling with this stuff, that’s all.

    Oh, and btw, that’s why I like to listen to all the men (and the few women) on here: Scott, Lastmod, theDeti, RPA, Oscar, Jack, Novaseeker, etc. etc. (don’t feel bad if I left your name out, there’s so many of us LoL!) because I learn something from each and every one of you. I get a fuller picture because your life experiences are different from mine, and I can pick up some things from you that I’ve either never directly experienced, or experienced in some other way during my life. Then I can take that and compare it to Scripture and see what THE TRUTH says about it. Once I really start to feel grounded in whatever relational aspect I’m looking at, then I can begin to look around, or at least be available, to help other men who are searching for the truth embed in THE TRUTH, and “wandering through the BP wilderness looking for a way out that they don’t know exists.”

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  4. Blackpillled Bob says:

    I’m blackpilled. And I didn’t think Scot is blackpilled. I thought he was trying to sell me something, even though he says he’s not. But I’m blackpilled on the world itself not just this. And I remain blackpilled until even the very last most inveterate brainwashed KJVO superstitionist renounces the Pericope Adulterae as a fraud. Until then the world is hosed.

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    • ramman3000 says:

      “And I remain blackpilled until even the very last most inveterate brainwashed KJVO superstitionist renounces the Pericope Adulterae as a fraud.”

      John C. Wright had this to say on minor differences:

      “The parable of the sheep and the goats does not contain the line, “But, Lord, when were we supposed to know that you were two natures in one person rather than one nature?” Nor does it say, “Lord, when were we supposed to know the Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son rather than from the Father and the Son?” Nor does it say, “Lord, when were we supposed to know that Justification is through faith alone and grace alone?”

      It says, “Lord, when did we fail to feed and cloth you?” To which the answer is, “Whatever you failed to do for the least of mine, you failed to do for me.”

      The answer is not “The Donatists of the Fifth Century in Northern Africa were the only correct and true Church. Everyone else is damned.”

      I worship at a KJVO church full of members who confess that Jesus is Lord and feed His sheep. The Pericope is a beautiful piece of fan fiction that is fully compatible with the non-fraudulent portions of the Bible, so it really doesn’t matter.

      I’m more concerned with the marginal gloss that is 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, which has much more significant implications as far as doctrine goes, but since everyone ignores it anyway, it also doesn’t matter.

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      • Blackpilled Bob says:

        The pericope has destroyed the whole earth and led to the black pill. Women are hypergamous whores because they were taught Jesus forgives whores so completely he forbids all punishment of them and it is also on this basis that every white knight became a white knight and feminism spread its cancer over the earth. So if you believe in that fanfiction, how can you avoid hell? You are guilty of perpetuating all the above.

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      • Derek Ramsey says:

        “…you are guilty of perpetuating all the above.”

        Have you not read:

        “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.”

        And did not Jesus say:

        “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

        Redemption is not fair.

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  5. Scott says:

    About 6 months ago (I would guess) Jason shared a video from Thinking Ape and I then proceeded to binge on StarDusk for what seemed like weeks.

    I don’t know why I do that. I am just super curious about all this stuff, still.

    That black pill stuff is pretty bleak, but not untrue. I think the difference is that if I could find a mate for every guy out there (who wants one) and I had unlimited resources, I would go along with each one and help them find one, like the Will Smith character from the movie “Hitch”

    If they decide they don’t want to bother with women, I would help them with whatever other goals they have. And watch them succeed from afar with the satisfaction of knowing I helped in some way.

    Watching black pill stuff actually made me depressed so I stopped.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Stardusk is one of the last early MGTOW’s that still publishes. I would READ his webpage page in 2005-2006? He is Black Pill and it’s not doom, or “Go kill yourself”. It’s cold acceptance and reality. He dated a long time ago. I believe he had a pretty striking German girlfriend for a while. (He does speak German.) I think he was always a man who didn’t mind being alone, hence his Black Pill being almost seamless and mild.

      I can’t put a finger on it… Sometime around the time I turned 45, I knew it was “over” and it hit me that I was always going to be single. It hurt bad. Real bad! Still does at times… though it has waned a bit. A lot actually. The Black Pill helped. The Red Pill still made me upset that I could not make it work, and anytime I denied Game, or had a question, I was worse than Hitler. I was called a “cuck” and “lazy” because it was supposedly “simple”.

      So much for a “supportive masculine environment”…

      Anyway… Good to see you Scott. LA is okay. The restaurant scene here in Pasadena, I must say, is great here in “Old Town”. I signed up with a scouting / talent firm. I am going to be an “extra”, meaning I’ll be a person in the background for TV shows when they film mall scenes, or street scenes, or public crowds, etc. I don’t get a credit but it’s something to do. They don’t pay you a lot but usually you get lunch. I signed up for weekends. We’ll see what happens.

      I DJ-ed at a Bowling Alley out in Tarazana with a bunch of other Mods. So much fun, and I have a primo gig on the weekend of October 15th at Los Globos on Sunset for a Mod / Scooter Rally. I will be spinning with DJs from England and Italy. I had to audition for that.

      I am enjoying it here more than I thought I would. The weather is perfect here, I must say.

      Be safe. Hope the wife and kiddos are well.

      The take on the Black Pill here is incorrect to me. But no one wants to hear my views. Talking to some folks here… well, they could never, ever admit Lastmod might be right on something.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      Scott says,

      “That black pill stuff is pretty bleak, but not untrue. I think the difference is that if I could find a mate for every guy out there (who wants one) and I had unlimited resources, I would go along with each one and help them find one, like the Will Smith character from the movie “Hitch”…

      If they decide they don’t want to bother with women, I would help them with whatever other goals they have. And watch them succeed from afar with the satisfaction of knowing I helped in some way.”

      Agree. Helping a man with the second approach to life, goal setting/goal attainment, is the much easier of the two. I do some coaching and this is not difficult to do.

      However, if a man wants the first approach, finding a woman suitable for him, that is a much more difficult “coaching” then the first type. And, I’m not referring to the “dating coaches or matchmakers” type approach to coaching. In my thinking, it would HAVE TO begin with a thorough grounding of the man in reality as to “the way it is out there now,” i.e. the Red Pill view. In my opinion, going “out there” with any kind of Blue Pill mentality is “asking for it” this day and age.

      Then you’d have to do something akin to “market research” with the man (dang that sounds so weird, but…). It would be like answering the question, “Where do relatively young, low body count women with morals that are marriage minded ‘hang out’ these days?” I don’t mean the mythical unicorns, but women that MIGHT make a good wife if vetted PROPERLY. They’re out there, I’ve seen a few in my church, BUT they occur to me as one here or one there, not like decades ago where there would seemingly be quite a few of them, i.e. the “good girls” of yesteryear.

      Then I guess it would kick into all the attraction stuff we’ve talked about on here. Does she give the guy IOIs? Is she really, really into him? Then you’d take it from there and see where it leads.

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  6. Oscar says:

    I don’t see how anyone could think that Scott is “black pilled”. A little deterministic, maybe, but without any of the rage and bitterness that characterizes the black pilled.

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  8. It’s a bummer Scott’s blog is closed. I would have loved to read it.

    Yes, Scott is NOT black pilled. He came by my blog and left a comment about it and I totally agreed with him.

    I’m an artist. I don’t attract the same chicks who would be attracted to Tom Brady or Michael Jordan.

    I attract a different kind of chick.

    She usually has a 120+ IQ and also does some kind of artistic expression (and is good at it). She’s usually shy but outspoken and has a kinky streak.

    When Tom Lykis said “don’t go into a club and go for the hottest chick. Rather, notice who’s paying attention to you, then chose the best of those girls.”

    That sounds like Scott and I told Scott that he is “efficient.”

    I don’t like to waste time. If a chick isn’t interested in me, I move on to the next one.

    Of course married and not looking, but I’m just saying back when I was single in the 90s.

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