Black Pill Competition

Competition can either build a man up or bring him down.

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Theme: Redemptive Headship and Masculinity
Length: 900 words
Reading Time: 5 minutes

The Black Pill is Competitive

In The Status Signaling Narrative (2022-3-21), I described how many Manospherian personalities avoid talking about their personal lives and will say and do things that signal status, such as AMOGing, c0ck blocking, competitive bullying, being condescending, criticizing, making comparisons, mocking, and showing contempt.

My larger point was that men who signal status and habitually deliver a narrative that is more or less a “man up” lecture are usually Black Pilled.

In this context, being Black Pilled means that a specific goal or ideal is set up, and it is expected that every man should jump through the required hoops to reach that goal. This competitive social arena arises from the inherent nature of men to challenge each other, to develop character, and to refine the tribe. This is a good thing in itself and gives rise to hierarchies of authority. But for men who aren’t set up to achieve those goals, the future is bleak — not because they can’t reach those goals, but because they just don’t “Get It” without any tutelage. Thus, these less competitive Men are summarily dismissed as hopeless wussified losers — not because they lack masculine attributes like character, courage, or discipline, but simply because they can’t or won’t engage in the competition for the particular goals that have been set forth as a standard.

As an example, I identified Ted Beale (AKA Vox Day) as Black Pilled according to this understanding. We might suppose that Vox expresses his faith and life-purpose through his blogs (Alpha Game, Vox Popoli) and other enterprises (e.g. Arkhaven comics, Infogalactic), but he still maintains some vestiges of the Black Pill in his competitive and discriminatory attitude towards other men. IOW, he has no sense of The Great Commission / evangelism.

More broadly speaking, a man who engages in this kind of status signaling could be in any one of Rollo’s 5 stages of self-awareness. IOW, he has not yet reached the stage of having a Redemptive Purpose.

“Can you compete with these guys for the chicks? If not, then you’re a loser! INCEL!!! Go stand over there and lick up your bitter tears of misery! Wouldn’t want to be you!”
Those who buy into this line of reasoning are Black Pilled.

Black Knight Competition

OTOH, Men who go all out in the competition and break all the social rules and tenets of civility and decency to reach those goals could also be considered Black Pill, as anonymous_ng described,

“I always thought of the Black Pill as the black knight equivalent, the “Burn it all down and sow salt on the remains”.

Or, the “Have sex with her sister, her mother, and all of her friends”, etc.”

Faux-Masculine archetypes that match this description include, Bad@ss Chads*, The Abusive Criminal / Thug*, The Dark Triad, Antimonianists, Ressentimentalists, Legalists*, certain types of Incels*, and some of the more dominant types of Male Feminists*. The worst antagonists (indicated by an asterisk) share the same Harbinger of Masculine Doom in their constitutive identities — Rejection. In addition to these male archetypes, women are among the worst practitioners of rejection as a tactic of personal defense and social dominance. Thus, they all coopt, choreograph, and propagate Rejection as an ego cathexis in how they treat others. As a result, the other Faux-Masculine identities that are built on Rejection suffer the worst within this paradigm; specifically, Mopey DopeysBungling Husbands, Boring Loyal Dudes, generic Incels, Low Power Male Feminists, Soy Boys, Simps, and Workaholics.

Men need to overcome this fear of rejection through approaching and talking to both men and women, and thereby learning about one’s nature, and how to exercise self-control and social graces. In the best case scenario, these efforts are met with acceptance and increased fellowship, and so this practice can build confidence and charisma. The problem is when other men and women pour on the rejection so hard and heavy that a man cannot face and overcome his inner fears. In the worst case scenario, this leads to anger and bitterness and thus more E11iots and Jasons are created. Black Knight wins and the Black Pill is propagated to others.

Choose Goals and Peers Wisely

Perhaps fixing this situation could be as easy as changing one’s goals and choosing to associate with social groups that share the same goals. Men can improve their situation by placing themselves in those particular arenas of competition in which they can demonstrate their natural proficiencies and therefore stand a good chance of excelling and succeeding.

Being able to showcase his own competencies among those who share compatible goals would also facilitate his finding a more appropriate mate. In this case, even a simp can get a girlfriend!

We also need to remember that many of the goals pressed forth by the world stand in opposition to the ultimate goal for Christians, which has been given to us in scripture.

13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.

Philippians 3:13-15 (NKJV)

What this ‘upward calling’ looks like is different for each man, but I’d be willing to bet it requires most men to break away from the goals and competitions imposed by the world, take an honest look at himself, and then pursue enterprises that employ each man’s unique abilities, competencies, proficiencies, skills, and strengths.

If you don’t know what your competencies are, then you need to be trying new things on a regular basis. Keep hunting until you find something you’re really good at.

In any case, don’t stay in a situation where you’re not trusted or seen to be a loser.

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51 Responses to Black Pill Competition

  1. doclove says:

    I am grateful that you are trying to help some men at the margins who are having difficulties in their relationships with women, especially if they are Christian. I admire you for putting up the good fight despite it being mostly a lost cause and encourage you to continue the good fight. However, Lastmod and Deti are correct that most men will never have long lasting romantic relationships with any women. I was born in 1968 and have never married so I guess that makes me one of them, even though I have fornicated, even though it was usually difficult to convince women to do so and often dangerous when it was easy, and it was not difficult for me to convince women who fornicated with me in the past to fornicate with me again. I ask God to give saving grace for men like us to be able to endure it and for St, Jude the Apostle to pray for lost causes.

    Men need to be told what Aaron Clarey (Captain Capitalism, listed on the side bar on the right under RP News & Society) has stated in articles and YouTube videos as well as what his books called “The Menu” and maybe more importantly, “The Book of Numbers” has stated. “It seems women do not desire nor truly love men as much as men desire and love women on average” is what he said. He also said to use prostitution where it is legal for their physical sexual desires. I am a Catholic Christian and will always tell you that any fornication is a mortal sin in which one can be sent straight to hell if God has not forgiven you of it, no matter whether you seduced (Gamed) a woman or paid for a prostitute, and that a man is only allowed by God and Christian morality, especially Catholic morality, to have sex with his own wife. Knowingly committing adultery is always worse according to God and Christian especially Catholic morality than fornication. Prostitution is no worse than seducing a woman for sex in my opinion and may be slightly better because it is almost impossible to a ruin a prostitute or professional for marriage, whereas seducing an amateur is highly likely to ruin her for marriage. Most prostitutes volunteer to be prostitutes and human trafficking is rare despite what the Satanic elites who rule over us tell you, and this is especially true in the West especially the USA and even in 1st World Asia which includes, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore. Our Satanic ruling elite want you to masturbate yourself into Hell. I agree with St, Augustine of Hippo and St. Thomas Aquinas that if you outlaw prostitution in the towns then lust will overthrow society, even though both men agreed that engaging in prostitution is a mortal sin which sends one to Hell and that one must go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation and confess and be forgiven of his sins of fornicating or adultery by a priest, and above all, God, especially by Jesus of Nazareth, the second person in the Trinity of God, known as the Son of God. St. Augustine of Hippo and St, Thomas Aquinas would not be surprised that Lust is overthrowing our Western societies, especially the USA, but they might have predicted it would be a more violent overthrow than the passive aggressive decline it is now.

    My opinion is that until all men and boys are told that women on average do not desire nor love men nearly as much as men do women on average, that this is probably inherent (it’s not a bug but a feature), and that this is certainly true in our modern day culture and will be into the foreseeable future, then nothing will change and maybe not even change even after all males are told. Men and boys need to accept this and plan accordingly. Many will be involuntarily celibate including involuntary virgins because no women will have sex with them. Many men will be harmed by unwanted divorce, in which the culture and governments, especially the courts, favor women over men. Many men will be in abusive sexless relationships, especially marriages. Safe, affordable, legal or better yet decriminalized prostitution is the only way to eliminate involuntary celibacy for many and possibly most men these days and into the foreseeable future, despite it being a mortal sin which damns one to Hell. We should help the crazy Left legalize or decriminalize prostitution as long as it is only consenting adults of sound minds involved. Legalized or better yet decriminalized prostitution has a correlation to significantly reduce forcible rape as well as sexually transmitted infections against women and girls as well. I think legalized or better yet decriminalized prostitution improves amateur women’s behavior towards men slightly because men have other, and in some ways better options to get sex.

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  2. Lastmod says:

    Putting me next to and comparing me to E11iot or others like him shows how much you don’t know Blackpill. He was a murderer. He deserves zero sympathy and any Incel that purports a defense of him should be locked away and have the snot beat out of him just on general principles.

    Again your arrogance on this matter is really appalling and the desperation to be right shines through in your writing. All your weapons and smears are out. Comparing the Black Pill to every manosphere smear on your hate list.

    Still using big words and terminology and lexicon to make it look like you know what you are talking about.

    Also still quoting your hero Rollo like he’s on par with Jesus. Maybe you should sit down and witness to him instead of telling your readers what Black Pill isnt.

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    • doclove says:

      I agree with you that your name should have never been put next to E11iot R0dger. At the very least, he should have stated that you have has much better behavior than E11iot R0dger regarding women who had no interest in you or worse yet have experienced women having negative behavior towards you especially if it is unwarranted negative behavior towards you. It makes people like you or the vast majority of involuntary celibate men seem dangerous and worthy of unwarranted persecution under the lies that we the people or worse yet government are only here to help. I have no idea if you are bitter or not, but after reading a lot of your stories here, I do not hold anything against you if you were or are bitter because you have had every right to be, but I do recommend moving past bitterness as well and as fast as you can.

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      • doclove says:

        I meant to say that is best for your own sake to lessen your own bitterness as fast as you can for your own well being. Why should any one drag you down? I know it is easier said than done.

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      • Joe2 says:

        “It makes people like you or the vast majority of involuntary celibate men seem dangerous and worthy of unwarranted persecution under the lies that we the people or worse yet government are only here to help.”

        And society is already moving full speed in the direction to demonize single men. A broad brush approach is used to characterized Incels. They are thought of as living in their mother’s basement playing video games and planning or plotting some nefarious attack at a school or shopping center. They are thrown into the, “basket of deplorables” and are viewed accordingly.

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      • info says:

        The Patriot act is probably going to be used against incels. Oh boy.

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  3. ramman3000 says:

    “Men need to overcome this fear of rejection through approaching and talking to both men and women, and thereby learning about one’s nature, and how to exercise self-control and social graces.”

    Yes. When I was young, my fear of rejection was massive and my self-confidence poor. I correctly evaluated my low value to women, but instead of accepting this reality, I let it drag me down. Depression was my companion.

    It took many years to fix this.

    A realistic self-assessment need not breed low self-confidence.

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    • Lastmod says:

      “Just go and talk to women ’cause they don’t bite’.”

      I don’t say a word to ANY woman unless:

      — I’m talking to coworkers about my work.
      — Societal norms REQUIRE me to (ordering a drink a Starbucks, the clerk at Walmart, the bus driver, doing paperwork or other connection at or through work).

      The reactions I’ve gotten from women:

      — I was always given the nervous smile by women when I was younger. That means, “YUCK! GO AWAY!” At the time I didn’t know what it meant, but I finally learned.
      — They said, “I have a boyfriend!” before I said a word.
      — Finally as I age… The woman tattles to some man in authority (at church, nightclub, dance club, or social gathering) that somehow by me talking to her, I am harassing her.

      This kind of treatment is typical for Incels and the lower 25% of men out there. The Black Pill, in the end… as painful as it is… soothes…… It teaches us, “Don’t put yourself in these situations. It’s ALWAYS the same. Haven’t you LEARNED yet? Nobody wants you around. Especially women!!!”

      Life gets better when you cut the constant and incessant rejection out of your life. Whenever you hear that voice saying in so many words, “Something IS wrong with you” or “You were born an OUTCAST!”, start listening to that and stay away from that person or place. It will save you some pain. In the socio-sexual market Incels have been told that since BIRTH. It’s refreshing when you actually ACCEPT it, because that pain finally goes away.

      As for men….. overall I can deal with them…… but every man still ALWAYS tries to put me down, or have one over on me, or they are “better” than me because of _______________________ (fill in the blank).

      I find most of them tiring now. Bearable but tiring, and they don’t give me advice. They always tell me again and again what I am doing wrong, as if I had the same goals in life that they do.

      That constant hammering by peers, teachers, and administrators wears on you. I’ve endured this since I was 12.

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      • doclove says:

        I think a lot of American women’s behavior would be at least a little better if prostitution was safe, legal, or better yet decriminalized and very affordable, like it recently was in the De Wallen Red Light District in Amsterdam, Netherlands, or the Reeperbahn Red Light district in Hamburg, Germany. I heard, on average, it is safer to interact with these prostitutes in Amsterdam and Hamburg as long as one wears a latex condom than it is to interact with American women. It is truly a horrifying yet true thing to say though. The Anonymous post below is me. I don’t know why it came out Anonymous instead of doclove.

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      • doclove says:

        Lastmod,
        That is great advice on how to deal with American women especially at your age. Our American society has made it toxic for any man to interact with any women, especially if he is viewed as undesirable. Sometimes even desirable men get harmed by women when they don’t show interest in these women or it is not the kinds of interest these women want. It is much worse to be an undesirable man though.

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      • ramman3000 says:

        Life gets better when you cut the constant and incessant rejection out of your life. [..] That constant hammering by peers, teachers, and administrators wears on you. I’ve endured this since I was 12.”

        This ostracism is the opposite of the meet-cute: the “YUCK! GO AWAY!” nervous smile or one of it’s verbal counterparts. I’m not sure if there is an official term for it. It is brutal and painful.

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      • info says:

        A wicked Godless society this is. Even if one is sexually undesirable. One is still made in God’s Image. And hence deserves human dignity at minimum.

        Whatever one is unattractive. But that doesn’t justify mistreatment in other areas. I do wonder if the West is under judgment.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Could care less if prostitution was legal or not. Plenty of Incels are in those parts of Europe where it is legal. On an Incel forum over a DECADE ago, there was a guy who got on the news, “government gets girlfriends” or something like that. Of course, many Incels cannot be bothered to do anything… so the government should PAY them to get a prostitute. Only an extreme Incel would make an excuse as to why he cannot do it himself.

      The article was mocked, as it should have been.

      “But wait Lastmod…..”, you say…., “Are you attacking fellow Incels and Black pillers?”

      You’re d@mn right I am. I have been kicked off several forums for telling many of them to “get over yourself” and “If you are gonna leave the play-pen and hang with the big kids in a very REAL and AUTHENTIC world of Black Pill, then you are going to have to accept YOU are not deserving, worthy, attractive enough, funny enough, cool enough, smart enough… to have one of these (cough) priceless, amazing women that Chads f*cked in every position ten times over.”

      Also. If you REALLY want sex. If it REALLY means that much to you. Go get a prostitute. Go to Vegas. She’ll tell you its the biggest she has ever seen.
      She will tell you its okay. She will say what you have been WANTING to hear. Heck….. in most US cities now, even in the conservative South where “everyone is a devout christian”, if you get caught for soliciting a hooker, nothing will happen to you. Cough up a fine.

      You’re a loser anyway right? Most people could care less right? So what’s the problem with getting a hooker if you want that? There is no problem.

      Many Incels are coddled, sheltered in many ways worse than I was as a kid and a teen….. and I’d say the worst of all of it was living in the sticks and having a sick brother that I had to help out with. THAT is the biggest stuntings I had, and they caused irrepairable damage. Worse than the drugs.

      Many Incels do need to grow up. OTOH, the majority of the older ones have matured and are now decent guys. That change comes with acceptance. Still, those Incels know they “lost” and will never be liked by women, and will be tolerated by most men.

      This is the ONLY WAY for Incels / Black Pillers to live a semi-productive life and garner some meaning to it. All the coddling, lying to them, trying to help by boosting “encouragement”, only makes it WORSE. Stuff like, “Jesus loves you”, or “There is someone out there for everybody!”, and “I know a guy who is 4’5″ and is uglier than an unwashed frying pan, but he has such a great outlook… Yada yada… Women just fall over him…” (Every Red Pill guy has a gazillion stories like this.) Even if those examples exist, they are an OUTLIER. Not the norm.

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  4. redpillboomer says:

    I’m getting a bit confused in the writings here about the “Black Pill.” I always had it that Black Pill men were Red Pill men, i.e. had awareness of the fallen nature of mankind, in particular it’s manifestation in women (fallen Eve, Churchian women following the feminist life script); AND they had become increasingly pessimistic about it as they learned more and more. This learning would include the experiences they had as teenagers and young men as they looked back on them, and processed “what had happened” to them through an adult Red Pill lense.

    The difference in the Black Pill men and the Red Pill men then was one of their degree of pessimism. In the Black Pill men, this pessimism could possibly lead toward some level of increasing despair with the state of things; whereas with Red Pill men, while generally speaking not optimistic about the state of intersexual dynamics, nevertheless hold out some hope of navigating through it and producing a positive outcome for the man/men in general. IOW, the Red Pill man retains a bit of hope in producing some sort of positive outcome for himself and others (if teaching / coaching / mentoring men), while all the while remaining aware of the plethora of pitfalls surrounding relationships these days.

    By positive outcome, I mean the man reaches a state of mind, whether he goes MGTOW or chooses to date and possibly marry, where he is doing it with his eyes wide open to potential consequences. Consequences for the MGTOW man might include no marriage and children, maybe a feeling of regret in later years (?); or for marrying men, a marriage that turns out to be a disappointment for him at best, i.e. dead bedroom; and nightmare at worst, i.e. divorce raped.

    Red Pill MGTOW men seem, at least to me, to not be bitter about the situation, and are adapting to it in some way. Black Pill men adapt as well, but in their speaking you can still hear some degree of bitterness or anger or despair. IOW, they haven’t fully made their peace with the situation and are still upset about it to some degree and they VOICE that upset.

    Blue Pill men on the other hand, do not have this awareness of intersexual dynamics; hence are prone to all the potential pitfalls of engaging intersexual dynamics from a “blissful state of ignorance.” In short, they get what they get, and have no idea WHY they got what they got, until they they start suffering the consequences of it, and somehow get some Red Pill awareness about it. Red Pill rage is one of the early signs that this has transpired in the man. It would also seem that if this “rage” does not subside, but remains in some form or another, the man might be in danger of becoming Black Pill as time goes on and he learns more and more.

    I don’t know guys, I have no answers here, just thinking out loud. I’ve always felt for our Black Pill brethren, Red Pill men hurting from this dreadful SMP/MMP were in, because of the pain they’re continually experiencing from it (some of it self perpetuated because they won’t let it go for some reason or other). It shouldn’t be this way. If we didn’t have this current SMP/MMP, where 90% of the women are chasing 5% of the men, and we had something more in line with the pre-70s SMP/MMP (imperfect as it was), where the 4s got with the 4s, 6s with the 6s, 8s with the 8s, etc., then we would NOT have so much Black Pill going on.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Black Pill arose out the Red Pill in some ways. Many of the early stirrings of this interesting but not “groundbreaking” stance were men that were Red Pill.

      Aware. Going to the gym. Worshipping the sex act. Trying to become Alpha, because all men should have equal outcomes (feminism). The problem again came from fellow men. Not women.

      When Game and being cocky-funny didn’t work. When all the hobbies still didn’t matter. When trying to improve and then shot down because these men were doing “wrong”…

      Many slowly began to realize that it was only your physical appearance that mattered. Was it always this way? No. Why did it become this way?

      Well, when every man is an Alpha, then no one is. When every man is “amazing” and “talented”, well, no one really is. When every man is supposedly “equal” in matters and if they don’t achieve? Are they just lazy? Losers? Blue Pilled? Cucks? Beta? Maybe they just love being miserable / lower status?

      Women during and after the collapse of PUA / Game had their own game. Since every guy now was funny, since every UN-desireable man was approaching them (in their mind), and every man was TAUGHT that “women do not care about looks”

      They then went for the ONLY thing that would screen out most men. Their physical appearance. It has always been this way to a point… but the PUA / Game scene upped the ante on men to perform, and then women just did what they could do to stop the ugly losers from approaching them. Go by looks ONLY and/or FIRST.

      These upper men contributed to this, and now turn the failures of THEIR ideas onto the lower 50% of men who are “messing everything up”.

      This is only one aspect of why there are other factors. Our atomized society. Homes with no dad, or a deadbeat dad. The ease of NOT having to leave your home today. Helicopter parenting. Throwing boys with mild Autism into Special Ed, putting them on MEDS, and thereby LOCKING them into this kind of existence.

      There are many other examples of this kind of problem. Just having a faith in “Jesus” isn’t going to turn these men into Casanovas, nor will it make them content. It comes off as another “cope”.

      “Oh thats too bad, but Jesus understands, and despite you being made to have sex… he made you ugly. But dont worry, there is no marriage in heaven.”

      Always said by a MAN who doesnt have a problem attracting women, getting noticed (even if he is married evidently) and really never has.

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      • Rock Kitaro says:

        Having read these past few articles and the comments…I have often wondered whether I was Black Pilled. Everything Last Mod said, and even a lot of what Deti’s mentioned, resonates with me. I’ve seen comments and statements about how we have to overcome the fear of rejection. I’ve seen comments about how, there are churches out there and you just have to find the right one.

        But I think the thing with me that I can’t help but keep in mind…”None of that is guaranteed. You can do everything you’re supposed to do and can do and it still won’t guarantee your success.” I say “success” with a grain of salt, because God knows if I really wanted to find someone and get married, I could. But for some reason I have it in my mind that I want to find my wife attractive and actually like her personality. Silly thoughts, I know.

        I honestly think I would be Black Pilled if I didn’t have faith and knowledge of God and the Bible. I can’t be “mad” at immoral men and women because I love them. My faith in the Word tells me that ultimately, justice will prevail and everyone who’s doing whatever the hell they want will be punished for it.

        I don’t say that…you know what, gonna be honest here. That justice does actually bring me comfort. I know that sounds bad, but it does. I’m currently working on 2 redemption posts (following Jack’s call for them) where one talks about whether Christians should “accept” reformed Porn stars and Gangster rappers. In it, I’m going to be honest when it comes to the fact that deep down, Christians like me are a little jealous that these worldly wicked sinners are coming to Christ after having all their “fun”.

        But I’m going to use the Prodigal Son parable to explain how all that “fun” came with some harsh consequences. Consequences I’ve been spared by following God’s laws. And it’s only because we live in a Satan dominated society that we “THINK” their actions are “fun” in the first place.

        Alright. This is getting long. I’ll stop here.

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      • ramman3000 says:

        @Rock Kitaro

        “Christians like me are a little jealous that these worldly wicked sinners are coming to Christ after having all their “fun”. [..] the Prodigal Son parable”

        Jealousy is one of the primary themes of Jesus (and later Paul in Romans), as he tried to shame the Jews into repentance by favoring the Gentiles, with the goal of goading them into true faith (Matthew 20; Matthew 21:28-31; Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 4:25-27; Luke 7:4-9; Luke 7:40-50; Luke 10:30-37; Luke 17:12-19; Luke 18:10-14). The Gentiles were portrayed as sinners who genuinely repented after ‘having their fun’ and were graciously received. The Jews, to whom the law was entrusted, could only say “That’s not fair!”

        “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.” — Romans 2:13

        …and…

        “But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.” Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”” — Romans 10:19-20

        …and…

        “Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring! I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.” — Romans 11:11-14

        The hearers of the law were the Jews. The Gentiles were the doers of the law. The Jews heard with their ears only, but they were like whitewashed tombs: empty on the inside. The Gentiles were doers of the law, not merely hearers, because they believed.

        “My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to hear your words, but they do not put them into practice. Their mouths speak of love, but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain.” — Ezekiel 33:31

        Do not be jealous.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Rock,

        “I’m currently working on 2 redemption posts (following Jack’s call for them) where one talks about whether Christians should “accept” reformed Porn stars and Gangster rappers. In it, I’m going to be honest when it comes to the fact that deep down, Christians like me are a little jealous that these worldly wicked sinners are coming to Christ after having all their “fun”.”

        Rock if you delve into the jealously angle in your writing you’d be remiss to exclude the parable of the vineyard workers in Matthew 20 and the repentant thief on a cross next to Christ. The best way to understand the parable and the near death salvation of the thief is to start with the correct mindset that we’re all deserving of death and God’s undeserved grace and mercy towards us is the only reason we’re not all doomed.

        Those who “live it up” while running from God, only to have God track them down and call them to himself later in life are no more deserving of God’s grace than those of us who grew up in the church. That God has grace on those he chooses regardless of the work put in by the individual is the message the parable of the vineyard workers drives home. The example of the thief serves as evidence of this fact.

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      • Joe2 says:

        “I’m currently working on 2 redemption posts (following Jack’s call for them) where one talks about whether Christians should “accept” reformed Porn stars and Gangster rappers. In it, I’m going to be honest when it comes to the fact that deep down, Christians like me are a little jealous that these worldly wicked sinners are coming to Christ after having all their “fun”.”

        I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “accept.” I’ll take it on face value that they are Christians if they say that Jesus is now their Lord and Savior. Romans 10:9.

        I vehemently object though when churches may take a reformed Porn star, Gangster rapper, or some athletic jock who banged every girl in sight and places them on some kind of “talk circuit” where they go to different churches trying to convince youth groups of the evils of their former life style.

        I object for two reasons. The message that is heard is, “We’ve had our “fun” and everything turned out OK. Sure there were some bumps along the road, but nevertheless we are here.” Also, they are now financially profiting from their former sins through their “ministry” which churches support through donations and having them speak. So in a sense, sin does pay. And, needless to say, these people get loads of attention while the young, steady Eddie Christian guy in the church is ignored by the young women. It’s just not right to glorify these people, even if they have repented.

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      • Rock Kitaro says:

        Thanks Ramman.

        And @RedPillApostle, absolutely. Those two parables were hard ones when I completely my first reading of the Bible six years ago. In my piece, I’m going to emphasize a sense of “understanding” when it comes to both Christians and those “Reformed Christians.” Because… very often, non-believers and Secularists miss that just because we’re Christians “striving” to do what good in God’s eyes, it doesn’t mean we’re immune to the same temptations, wants, anger, envy, and desires every other human on earth is susceptible to.

        @Joe, THANK YOU! I’m so glad you said that. Because I definitely bring up the examples of Kanye West and how his and Eminem’s song is now number 1 on the Christian Billboard charts. It’s a weary thought to prop up these reformed Christians to the point that we inadvertently make them the unofficial leaders or representatives of the faith.

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      • elspeth says:

        For clarification, when you capitalize the word “reformed” while referring to re-dedicated Christians, it can be confusing because “Reformed Christians” is most often used to describe a particular and specific theological view. For example, we attend a Reformed church.

        Also, if these people “had their fun” before ever having heard the gospel, they are not “reformed Christians”. They were sinners who were saved from their sinful lifestyles by God’s grace.

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      • Rock Kitaro says:

        lol, thanks Els. I might consider leaving out the word “Reformed”…in case any reader is a stickler for things like that. (they know what I mean, but get turned off because I used the wrong word).

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      • elspeth says:

        It’s okay, Rock. I wasn’t turned off, but I was initially confused.

        My first thought when I saw Reformed Christians was, “What do people who believe in the Doctrines of Grace or the Five Solas have to do with this?” LOL!

        Then I read further and realized that I was missing context. That you guys were referring to people who grew up Christian, wandered off, and then came back. In such case, “reformed” is definitely an appropriate word to use.

        But I also think these folks were being conflated with people who were never raised in Christian households and came to faith later.

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      • Rock Kitaro says:

        lololol, you’re always dropping knowledge on me, Els. I actually Googled what you meant and ended up putting a disclaimer on my essay, using the Cambridge definition of reformed. But still…my Google search led me to some historical background on things like the Calvinists…which I don’t know much about. So…there’s future reading there.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Rock,

        “In my piece, I’m going to emphasize a sense of “understanding” when it comes to both Christians and those “Reformed Christians.””

        The gospel is quite clear that there is no distinction between the saved prostitute and the person who grew up in church. Both are equally dead in sin, which is to say lifeless and unable to help themselves, when the Holy Spirit tracks them down. The former prostitute may actually have a greater appreciation for her salvation having experienced in life the depth of her sin where the choir boy may not have the same appreciation.

        This distinction is the parable of the prodigal son. The older obedient brother doesn’t realize the depth of his depraved heart. The younger brother did and humbly came back to the father. We don’t know for a fact, but an argument could be made that the older brother was not saved. If he was, he did not have any idea that he was as in need of the father’s grace every bit as much as his brother.

        Fun side note, we now have confirmation that Elspeth is a reformed theology nerd.

        “My first thought when I saw Reformed Christians was, “What do people who believe in the Doctrines of Grace or the Five Solas have to do with this?” LOL!”

        Watch for her to work part of the TULIP acronym into future comments! 🙂

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      • elspeth says:

        “Fun side note, we now have confirmation that Elspeth is a reformed theology nerd.”

        That’s true! I am kind of but compared to some of my friends, I’m a kindergartner. I have studied enough to know what I believe, though.

        My husband finds the whole thing rather superfluous, while finding my ramblings offered as a result of all my reading rather cute.

        But no TULIP from me, more like TU(.5L)IP, LOL

        Have a great weekend, RPA!

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    • naturallyaspirated says:

      Are Black Pilled men simply those MGTOW who are vocal on the internet trying to convince everyone it’s delusional for men to think navigating relationships with women is worth it?

      I remember hearing something like this from a MGTOW once:

      “Why would I voluntarily commit to another person who is constantly judging me, expecting me to constantly perform, looking for weaknesses like a lioness on the hunt, testing me, making sure I’m worthy of her time, her sexual access, and comparing me to whatever she comes across in books, the internet, social media, or Hollywood, following an instinctual drive that always yearns for something better??? That sounds a lifetime of anxiety and misery, not joy and peace.”

      I really didn’t have a great response.

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      • Jack says:

        “Are Black Pilled men simply those MGTOW who are vocal on the internet trying to convince everyone it’s delusional for men to think navigating relationships with women is worth it?”

        Being vocal about the facts of life, and saying women are not worth it, is not what makes them Black Pilled. Red Pilled men do the same. Black Pill is when these ideas are used to shove one’s self or another man off to hell, or “the abyss” as Rollo calls it.

        “Why would I voluntarily commit to another person who is constantly judging me, expecting me to constantly perform, looking for weaknesses like a lioness on the hunt, testing me, making sure I’m worthy of her time, her sexual access, and comparing me to whatever she comes across in books, the internet, social media, or Hollywood, following an instinctual drive that always yearns for something better??? That sounds a lifetime of anxiety and misery, not joy and peace.”

        He hit the nail on the head. A statement like this coming from an Incel or MGTOW would signify that he’s passed the Acceptance stage and may have escaped the Black Pill / Abyss.

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      • Lastmod says:

        “Black Pill is when these ideas are used to shove one’s self or another man off to hell, or “the abyss” as Rollo calls it.”

        NO! Red Pill sends people to the Abyss. Sent me chasing my tail for a decade and a half TRYING to apply Rollo’s gazillion steps. Games… “foolproof” methods. Everyman telling me, “Ummm, nope, that only works on Tuesday and if she is an eight or higher or the third moon of Jupiter rising…”

        Every failing was met with, “Lastmod you have to keep trying, you’re not a quitter are you? Cucks! Betas are quitters! Being real Red Pill men means getting what you want out of life!!!”

        Still clueless. Still arrogant and can’t accept that MAYBE you have the concept WRONG.

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      • Jack says:

        Lastmod,

        “Black Pill is when these ideas are used to shove one’s self or another man off to hell, or “the abyss” as Rollo calls it.”

        “NO! Red Pill sends people to the Abyss.”

        NO! The Red Pill only sends SOME people to the Abyss, and those people are Black Pilled. The Red Pill also leads some men to get themselves together and find greater confidence and purpose. The Red Pill also leads some men to improve their marriages. The Red Pill also leads some men to go MGTOW. Remember, the Red Pill is simply an analogy for facing the truth. What a man does in response to that truth is different for each man. So you see, you have made a categorical error and a fundamental attribution error.

        I explained the process of changing from one paradigm to another in The Red Pill and Blue Pill as Paradigms of Sanctification and Defilement (with a mathematical analogy) (2020-11-15). I’ll insert the names of the paradigms here to make it clearer to readers.

        “The task of navigating through life can be confusing, because in order to move [(from the Blue Pill to the Red Pill), or (from the Red Pill to the White Pill)], one needs to first go through [the Black Pill (viz. a period of confusion, frustration, and hopelessness)]. Many individuals cannot envision the glories of the distant [White Pill] which lie beyond the hardships and horrors of the [present Black Pill]. As a result, they remain stuck in a less than ideal comfort zone [i.e. THE Black Pill].”

        The Black Pill is an uncomfortable comfort zone of self-rejection. As Lastmod said, the Black Pill is “soothing”. Finding and pursuing a greater purpose could bless others and glorify God, and thereby bring them out of the Black Pill, but that is difficult, and some men can’t, or don’t, or won’t do that for various reasons. I would say the most widespread acute reasons are anger, bitterness, concupiscence, depression, envy, and a lack of desire / incentive / motivation. The more fundamental reason is a lack of faith and trust in God.

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    • Oscar says:

      “Red Pill MGTOW men seem, at least to me, to not be bitter about the situation, and are adapting to it in some way. Black Pill men adapt as well, but in their speaking you can still hear some degree of bitterness or anger or despair. IOW, they haven’t fully made their peace with the situation and are still upset about it to some degree and they VOICE that upset.”

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  5. info says:

    In the worst case scenarios, arenas where actual Black Pilled incel’s gathered, like “PUAhate”, amplified the feedback loop of resentment, and envy. It results in mass murderers like E11iot R0dger.

    Demons love those kind of places. Where people tear each other down so they each damn each other to hell.

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  6. info says:

    In this regard the Gospel presents the real solution to the bottom 25% of Men. This world is not for them. They owe no loyalty to the world. And their country is God’s country.

    They are to have no part in Babylon but to go God’s way.

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  7. okrahead says:

    As I understand it, “incel” means “involuntarily celibate.” So perhaps we should consider celibacy itself for a moment.

    Celibate is from the Latin “Caelibatus” and originally mean “an unmarried state.”

    Our current word celibate didn’t come along until the 19th century, for whatever that’s worth.

    So, originally, the term meant someone who was not married. Now, it means a man, usually unmarried, who is unable to find a suitable sexual partner.
    Now, if you are using incel to describe a man who wishes to be married but is unable, he may be unlucky but he is not dishonorable or sinful.

    If, instead, you are referring simply to an unmarried man who cannot find a woman who will have sex with him, then that man is unlucky, dishonorable and sinful.

    So, my suggestion, for what it’s worth… If you are unmarried, and have no good prospects for marriage, make your celibacy a celebration of service to God. This is the path followed by the Apostle Paul, as per I Corinthians 7.

    Our suffering has two possible sources and outcomes… If we have gone astray, God will chastise us to return to Him (Hebrews 12). If we are faithful, and still suffer in this world, then our suffering becomes an occasion to glorify God if we accept it with joy, knowing that the saints before us also suffered, and far more than us, for the kingdom of Heaven’s sake.

    If, in our suffering, however, we become bitter, then not only will we continue to suffer, but our suffering will increase and will be of no profit. If we take the “Black Pill” when God chastises us, then we have hardened our hearts against our correction, and commit the sin of Pharaoh. If our suffering is because we are faithful and Satan is trying to overthrow us, then to take the “Black Pill” is to surrender to Satan and squander an opportunity to glorify God.

    Job lost more, and suffered more, than any of us, yet he refused to curse God. If we give in to the “Black Pill” then I fear we have committed the sin Job overcame.

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    • Rock Kitaro says:

      “If you are unmarried, and have no good prospects for marriage, make your celibacy a celebration of service to God. This is the path followed by the Apostle Paul, as per I Corinthians 7.”

      Agreed! I’ve had online debates with “Christian Feminists” in the past who used 1 Corinthians 7 as if to say, “See! God says we don’t have to get married!”

      And when I ask them, “And with your commitment to following God’s laws, are you remaining celibate? Are you committing your life to serving God, or is it in the pursuit of self-pleasure and materialistic things.”

      …they usually don’t respond after that.

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      • Lastmod says:

        The problem is that most cannot be celibate. Men or women. Especially at the ages when youth, hormones, biology, and all the other trappings are going 100 mph. Incels are forced to be celibate because they are deemed not attractive or ugly. Volcels are bible bashed and shamed into following this rule.

        The rule / story / verse is pointless because if you “mess up” and sin…. it’s okay, you get forgiven. If you do follow what that verse says, you are viewed as “Oh, so you think you are better? / Stop judging! / You are a Pharaisee!” This is why I cannot follow this faith anymore. A tome with 66 books, a gazillion rules, and you had better follow them all!!! But if you don’t, that’s cool! Just tell Jesus you are sorry.

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      • Jack says:

        Lastmod,

        Your statements reveal that you are subscribing to the popular misconception that God is a slave driver who demands people to follow His commandments as He watches and waits to zap people who disregard the Laws / spiritual forces of the universe. So then according to this logic, if people sin and God and Christians don’t zap them immediately, then God and Christianity must be fake, hypocritical, or powerless. All of this is a Hanna-Barbera caricature of God and Christianity.

        The truth is that sin has it’s own consequences that have nothing to do with God. The spiritual forces of the universe cannot be changed any more than gravity can be reversed. God is not going to suspend gravity just because a pimply faced teenager gets turned on by p0rn. Likewise, God is not going to strike him dead when he whips out his d!ckle and beats to a trickle. Furthermore, if those actions lead to the consequences of lust and frustration with women then God had nothing to do with that. It was that man’s own doing. Even God himself is bound by the Law as part of His nature. This is why Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary, instead of just snapping His fingers and changing the Law.

        One of the most surprising things I learned about God is that there are some things He cannot do. He cannot be evil (by definition). He cannot act contrary to His own nature. He cannot violate spiritual Laws (Matthew 5:18). Nevertheless, God is still in control. The Law was lovingly given to us by God as a warning for us to be aware of these metaphysical realities and make wise decisions accordingly. As such, God is more interested in repentance and spiritual growth than He is in enforcing strict obedience.

        “The rule / story / verse is pointless because if you “mess up” and sin…. it’s okay, you get forgiven.”

        Forgiveness is not the issue here because Jesus said “It is finished” (John 19:28-30). Repentance is the key issue, because this is what allows one to avail of forgiveness. I think people who talk this way are Antimonianists, or they haven’t truly repented, or they don’t want to recognize or admit that repentance is hard. Some people cannot repent until their fleshly nature is exposed and they make a mess of their lives, thereby forcing a confession out of them. The consequences of sin are a separate matter, and forgiveness does not really change the consequences either. As I stated above, the Laws of the Universe are set in stone. However, God does have the power to redeem the situation for something glorious — but only if we turn to Him and humbly ask.

        “If you do follow what that verse says, you are viewed as “Oh, so you think you are better? / Stop judging! / You are a Pharisee!” This is why I cannot follow this faith anymore. A tome with 66 books, a gazillion rules, and “You had better follow them all!!! But if you don’t, that’s cool! Just tell Jesus you are sorry.”

        Perhaps the Christian faith would be more appealing to you if fornicators were struck by a bolt of lightning exactly 13 seconds after orgasm and disappeared in a black cloud of smoke. Or if heroin addicts turned to stone 420 days after their first snort. But this would not allow any chance of grace and repentance, followed by ministry to those with similar problems (2 Corinthians 1:3-7), and would thereby obviate the purpose of God’s plan for mankind.

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      • Rock Kitaro says:

        “The problem is that most cannot be celibate”

        That’s interesting…I’ve heard something similar before. In a past debates where people were advocating for handing out Condoms in schools. They argued that “young people are going to have sex. You can’t stop them. So it’s best to do what you can to protect them while they’re going to do what they do.”

        I wonder if this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, driven by those who truly believe in that notion. Meanwhile, people like me stand baffled. Thinking to ourselves, “What? It’s not like you just roll out of bed, trip, and stumble into sex.”

        But, what do I know. Maybe some people do. Maybe some people are caught up in situations and cultures where sex is so unavoidable? Reminds me of when some people talk about the 80s Crack epidemic in the inner cities. To my ignorant mind, I’m like…”You didn’t have to take crack. You could’ve kept walking or turned it down.”

        But again…what do I know. Maybe “most” simply had no choice.

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      • Lastmod says:

        The CIA was involved with the crack epidemic. It was involving MONEY. Lots of it. I was raised in a home that spoke about drugs. Dangers. Talking about it. My parents were good this way.

        I still became a cocaine addict and alcoholic.

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  9. Bardelys the Magnificent says:

    Pretty good conversation discussing male competition with a woman who….kinda gets it.

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  11. feeriker says:

    Inre celibacy, God did not design us to be celibate. He gave us a sex drive for a reason. The problem we face today is that society has been deliberately engineered to keep sex outside of the container for which God designed it: life-long monogamous marriage. EVERYONE has accepted the prevailing cultural narrative on sex, including most “churches,” whose primary mission is to keep both pews and collections plates full, not preach the Gospel of Jesus or create a living community dedicated to living God’s word. Thus the pandering to the prevailing secular cultural narrative that ultimately manifests itself as a mirror image of that same secular culture: on one side an abundance of feral slores who chase the tiny minority of Chads, and on the other side the majority hordes of men deprived of wives (and thus sex), rendering them incels, their “fire” rising in intensity the longer they’re deprived. This shouldn’t (and almost certainly wouldn’t) be happening in a REAL church that makes its mission one of bringing light to a dark world, but here we are anyway.

    Celibacy, as Paul points out, is a gift in those who can embrace it. Since humans weren’t created to be celibate, very few people can embrace it, which Paul also recognizes. Not being able to embrace something like celibacy because it is an unnatural condition makes it a curse, not a gift, and ugly things usually result from having to bear the weight of such a curse over extended periods.

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