The Ever Looming Black Pill

Identifying one’s fear and facing it.

Readership: All
Theme: Redemptive Headship and Masculinity
Length: 2,500 words
Reading Time: 14 minutes

Rollo’s 5 Stages of Unplugging

In The Five Stages of Unplugging (2012-7-25), Rollo describes some of the heartache that men endure when they wake up from their Blue Pill delusions and fantasies. He rounds off the list with a sixth addendum – being Jaded.

  1. Denial — Still Plugged-In: “These game guys are a bunch of clowns, there’s no way this works on women. Women aren’t stupid. What a bunch of misogynists.”
  2. Anger — Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to jump through all these hoops for women? I just want to be myself. Why couldn’t I have been a Natural Alpha®? I blame my parents / siblings / teachers / God / liberals / feminists / media / society…”
  3. Bargaining — Unplugged: “Well maybe it does have some good points… but, forget the hot girls, they’re way outta my league. I’ll give it a try if it can help me get around the bases with a plain Jane. Do I have to wear the fuzzy hat and black nail polish?
  4. DepressionThe Bitter Taste of the Red Pill: “Wow, women really respond to this puffed-up act? And guys spend big bucks on it and wind up with more @ss than a toilet seat? And I just joined up for this? The world is sad and so am I…”
  5. Acceptance — Game Awareness: “Maybe this IS the way things really work. I guess I should give up the gender relations mythology I’ve been holding onto… Hey, what do you think of these negs I came up with?”
  6. Jaded — MGTOW Permutations: “F_ck learning all these rules. Sex isn’t worth it and women aren’t that fun anyway. The last thing I want to do is learn routines or the 5 stages of pickup. There’s too many websites, too much to read, I can’t remember it all much less sort it all out. Who has all that time to go out and chat up women anyway? It’s not like I see any women under 40 at work at my engineering job to practice on. Video games and porn are more fun and more available. I just haffta look good and let the women come to me…”

When we look around the Manosphere today, including the Christian segment, we can hear voices coming from all these perspectives — men in various stages of discovering who they are in the flesh and learning how to deal with themselves and with life.

Monkey steals cigarette from his trainer and kicks him away. The monkey attempted to escape on the bike but was restrained by the rope.

How do the 5 Stages of Unplugging fit into Redemption?

In the pilot post, Red Pill Redemption (2022-9-5), I listed four steps to redemption. These steps are…

  1. Understanding and accepting one’s self.
  2. Rectifying who one is with who one is in Christ (i.e. confession, repentance).
  3. Learning to trust God with the self (e.g. desire, ego, libido, personality) and what they have been given (e.g. intelligence level, placement in the SMV hierarchy, stewardship of resources, etc.).
  4. Finding and following one’s God given purpose in life.

The Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Depression stages in Rollo’s list are part of (1) Understanding and accepting one’s self.

The evil deceptions of the worldly cultural narratives have the ability to prevent a man from entering into a knowledgeable understanding of one’s self, not as the narratives would make one out to be, but for what one truly is. One’s belief in the worldly paradigms of faux-truths is essentially a Denial of the real truth, hence the name. There is of course some anger, disappointment and frustration that are part of this Denial, simply because it does not match reality.

The Denial stage continues as long as a man adheres to all the Blue Pill / Churchian / Feminist / etc. lies, believing they are true — that Women are angelic princesses who are more aloft, more pure, and more spiritual than men are, among many other myths. Taking the first step towards the truth requires one to first break away from all these false paradigms.

The Anger stage really begins (1) when the truth begins to seep in, and one realizes that “Those Christian / Red Pill misogynists actually have a valid point!” The Anger stage advances upon realizing (2) that you’ve been lied to all your life, (3) that you were dumb enough to believe it, and (4) that no one loved you nor cared for you enough to set you straight. Anger culminates in the horrifying epiphany of (5) realizing that all the hopes, dreams, investments, and expectations that one formed while believing those lies were all built on sand. And (6), after doing the monkey dance for years, one has to pay the (male) organ grinder.

The Bargaining stage begins when (1) knowing the truth changes one’s perception of reality. (2) One realizes that he cannot avoid the truth simply by denying that it is true, and that (3) one is required to respond somehow. The Bargaining stage continues as (4) one conducts a series of various bluffs, experiments, tests, and trials in an endeavor to explore the boundaries of what is true and what is false. The Bargaining stage ends when (5) one realizes that there is no bargaining with God (nor women), and (6) one begins to apprehend what many men in the Manosphere have learned before: You actually have to make yourself into a better man!

The Depression stage encapsulates the final step of (1) Understanding and accepting one’s self as who one truly is within the world’s paradigm. And for most men, it is not a pretty picture, hence the label.

Rollo Tomassi wrote about this stage of Depression in his post, Incels (2018-6-4).

“There is a necessary state of nihilism, or at the very least a prolonged doubt, that occurs when men realize that they’re cut away from that Blue Pill conditioned life. This is why I compare it to mourning in The Five Stages of Unplugging, men are literally mourning the loss of their investments in that paradigm; they’re morning the loss of Killing the Beta they used to be.”

Incels (2018-6-4)

IOW, Men realize that they’ve built their whole self-image in accordance with the worldly paradigms, and when these paradigms are stripped away through a Red Pill realization, they find they have no self-image at all, resulting in an existential crisis. Past generations of men often came to this realization after reaching their peak, usually around the age of 40, and this was called a “mid-life crisis“. But today’s generation of men have a choice of continuing in denial, or else taking the Red Pill and subsequently facing this identity crisis.

Many Men, after taking the Red Pill, have extreme difficulties in reformulating their identity. Those who languish in depression and anesthetize themselves with alcohol, jerking off, p0rn, and/or other forms of escapism, are avoiding or delaying their encounter with the Truth. OTOH, men who are quite content with who they are within the world’s paradigm have no motivation to continue on the journey towards redemption. So the grand majority of men wash out of the process at this point. Some men commit su!c!de at this point.

Is it Truly Hopeless?

The Acceptance stage is when (1) a man finally lets go of the last vestiges of his false, Blue Pill / Churchian / Feminist / etc. preconceived notions of what he thinks is right or how things ought to be, and (2) he humbles himself to learn and change in order to embrace and conform to the truth. Thus, Acceptance is the beginning of confession and repentance and the formation of an authentic belief in the truth. It is also the beginnings of forging a new identity.

How any individual man reacts to the Acceptance stage depends on a multitude of factors, including his age, his ability to develop and showcase charisma, confidence, faith, marital status, personal desire / interests, socioeconomic status, SMV (e.g. LAMPS), and others. And so we see many men who are swamped in a marriage to a rebellious wife and don’t know how to manage the situation. Others who have been abused by the gynocracy are now swearing off marriage and chasing after PUArtistry, going MGTOW, sugaring, and toying with pseudo-relationships through online transactions, thinking these to be an individual solution to a society-wide problem.  They haven’t yet figured out that what they really want and need are peace with God and the blessings of Shalom*, and most of them probably never will.

A male Gelada baboon (Theropithecus gelada) vocalising whilst mating with a female amongst other troop members in the Simien Mountains in Ethiopia. The Gelada is, following humans, the most vocal of primates.

Acceptance is where the breakdown occurs for many of those few men who make it past the Depression stage, because it leads to the next step of Redemption: (3) Learning to trust God with one’s self. This requires a man to come to Christ, to get a vision of renewed hope, and to form a Christian concept of his identity in Christ.

In this step, there are a number of obstacles that are unique to the individual.

  1. Some men hop right on it, but after they get what they want out of it or else get tired of trying, they backslide.
  2. Some men are tied up in denial and/or frustration over certain other beliefs or desires that hold them back.
  3. Some men are engorged in sin, e.g. lust, adultery, fornication, masturbation, etc.
  4. Some men are too content / lazy / proud / etc. to come to Christ.
  5. Some men become immobilized by bitterness or brokenness.
  6. Some men never get this vision of Christ in themselves.
  7. Some men just can’t make it work.

Jesus described four responses to His call in the Parable of the Four Seeds (Matthew 13:1-9Mark 4:1-9Luke 8:4-8). I examined this further in The Nature of Evangelism (2010-3-28).  I’ll add here that a man might face any or all of these obstacles in different stages of his life’s trajectory, and that it takes time to go through all these stages and steps. Those Christians who have a sudden change of heart leading to a drastic change in beliefs and lifestyle are widely celebrated. However, I think very few Christians have a salvation experience that is a once-and-done thing. For most men, it is an ongoing struggle to conform to the image of Christ in himself.

* Apparently, the concept of Shalom has been utterly lost and forgotten.  Since I posted a description of Shalom in late 2020, it has only received 92 views, which is only about 1/6 of what a typical post receives for the same period.  I am saddened by this, because it shows how far we’ve drifted from God, to the point that we’ve lost all appreciation for the blessed Life.

Organ grinder’s Capuchin monkey dressed in a costume.

The Black Pill

So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry?  And why has your countenance fallen?  If you do well, will you not be accepted?  And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door.  And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”

Genesis 4:6-7 (NKJV)

The Black Pill is when a man gives up all hope and settles down in the Jaded stage as a part of his new identity — an existential crisis of ongoing frustration and life without meaning nor purpose. Rollo clings to hope by likening this to an abyss which must be crossed.

I’ve heard Roosh and a few other commenters in the ‘sphere describe the “Black Pill” – the idea that the social order of the Blue Pill, the Feminine Imperative, or the ‘gynocracy’ if you like, is so rigged against men that they accept their role in it and give up on trying to make themselves or their circumstance better. What these guys are describing is what I’ve referred to in the past as the Abyss. This Abyss is the psychological / existential gulf a man needs to cross when he becomes Red Pill aware. He realizes that the person he carved himself out to be in a Blue Pill conditioned ideal was based on a the same falsehoods. This stage of unplugging has difficulties unique to men at various stages of their lives and according to the decisions they made for themselves throughout their lives in accordance with those Blue Pill ideals.

Incels (2018-6-4)

Rollo goes on to say that there is no Black Pill!

“Understand this, there is no Black Pill – there is only the Abyss of accepting the truth that comes with Red Pill awareness and a man’s capacity to make this awareness work in his best interests.

Incels, if nothing else, want to find ways to make this awareness work for them, but most are too damaged to deal with the realities that Red Pill awareness reveals to them. They’re not ready for the truth, but it’s unavoidable today.”

Incels (2018-6-4)

According to my earlier list of obstacles, Rollo is defining the Black Pill to include men who are tied up in denial or frustration, who are defeated by bitterness, brokenness, faithlessness, hopelessness, or sin, or who can’t make it work.

Rollo’s 5 Stages model matches the path to Redemption fairly well up to this point. Rollo offers an intimation that the Abyss may not have to be a singularity. But he neither recognizes the concept of sin nor what Christ can do with a man, and he fails to articulate that a heart-led faith in Christ is what can make the difference.

Thus, Rollo’s Jaded stage is only one possible outcome of Acceptance in which a man gets tied up in other forms of denial and/or frustration. At the root of this frustration is a man’s inability to discern the metaphysics of the spiritual dimension (perhaps due to sin), a lack of a grander vision of purpose (perhaps due to a lack of prayer), an unwillingness to let go of his worldly attachments (perhaps due to doubts and external pressures, e.g. the secular SMP/MMP), and relinquish the desires of the flesh to the hand of God.

The Homeward Stretch

As you can see, going through the Five Stages is only the beginning of the journey towards Redemption.  In mathematical language, it only gets you off the perceived local maxima of the Blue Pill Denial and on a path to the local minima of the Depression stage.

Once this is accomplished, a Christian man has the additional task of overcoming that local minima and transcending his personal challenges and limitations in order to progress towards the global maxima of his God ordained purpose, and Headship if he marries.

From there, the Acceptance stage is an uphill climb with a constant risk of backsliding into the Abyss. To avoid the Abyss, a man must take step (3) Learning to trust God with the self (e.g. desire, ego, libido, personality) and what they have been given (e.g. intelligence level, placement in the SMV hierarchy, stewardship of resources, etc.), and step (4) Finding and following one’s God given purpose in life.  This can only be achieved by trusting in Christ and going through the entire process.

In the case where God has called a specific man to marriage, as opposed to a life of celibacy, the Christian goal replaces the secular goal of getting laid with one of achieving Headship and Sanctification within marriage, which honors and glorifies God, and provides a home atmosphere characterized by the peaceful presence of God.

There are no other options which lead to redemption and the lasting glory of God.  If both of these two options (i.e. Headship vs. Celibacy) seem too opprobrious for one to accept, then the default alternative is the Abyss, either in this life (for incels), or the life to come (for Chads who never enter into the 5 stages).

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36 Responses to The Ever Looming Black Pill

  1. redpillboomer says:

    “Rollo’s 5 Stages model matches the path to Redemption fairly well up to this point. Rollo offers an intimation that the Abyss may not have to be a singularity. But he neither recognizes the concept of sin nor what Christ can do with a man, and he fails to articulate that a heart-led faith in Christ is what can make the difference.”

    This is potentially a HUGE difference between the secular Red Pill and the Christian Red Pill, the “God factor.” No matter what a man’s “coming to Christ” circumstances were/are, he’s going to have to trust God and allow God to work in his life, in whatever form that takes place. And other than eternal life, there are no guarantees as to how it all turns out. A man only has God’s promises and they get worked out in a man’s life how God chooses to work them out.

    The man to the best of his ability, and it will be an imperfect effort because of his flesh and lack of knowledge of God, especially early on in his faith, obey God in the sanctification process. Maybe a less religious way of putting it: the man in some way allows God to work on him. The obedience might show up by him DOING things, like reading scripture, attending church, small groups, reading good Christian material, giving of his time and money, reading sites like this one, SOMETHING that God can use to develop his faith.

    Jack put it this way,

    “Once this is accomplished, a Christian man has the additional task of overcoming that local minima and transcending his personal challenges and limitations in order to progress towards the global maxima of his God ordained purpose, and Headship if he marries. […] From there, the Acceptance stage is an uphill climb with a constant risk of backsliding into the Abyss. To avoid the Abyss, a man must take step (3) Learning to trust God with the self (e.g. desire, ego, libido, personality) and what they have been given (e.g. intelligence level, placement in the SMV hierarchy, stewardship of resources, etc.), and step (4) Finding and following one’s God given purpose in life. This can only be achieved by trusting in Christ and going through the entire process…”

    I’d assert that it’s steps (3) and (4) where we, Red Pill Christian men, can help through educating, encouraging, coaching, etc. the newer RPC men. That’s why a blog like this is important. It can serve as a learning and coaching aid to new RPC men as they work their faith out, AND work though their growing RP awareness and knowledge. They’re not going to get this stuff in Church, they have to get it in the Christian Red Pill areas. Secular Red Pill can help up to a point, but the secular RP approach breaks down (nicer way of putting it, reaches diminishing returns) at some point, because it’s missing the spiritual aspect, the “God factor” in all this.

    Why do we help if it looks so bleak? It’s the old “star fish” meme. Guy walking along the beach where thousands of star fish have washed up during a storm, encounters a man throwing one star fish at a time back into the water. He says to the guy throwing, “What difference does that make?” Guy looks at him, picks up and throws another and says, “Well, it worked for that one!” That’s why we do it.

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  2. Oscar says:

    “Anger — Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to…”

    Hey, look! There it is again!

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    • Jack says:

      “Anger — Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to…”

      “Hey, look! There it is again!”

      Yes, so now we know the stage of unplugging from which this viewpoint originates — The Anger stage. All men go through these stages / steps. What we can do is to help men go through them, instead of mocking and ridiculing them, which will only slow them down.

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      • thedeti says:

        Anger — Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to…

        Acceptance Post-Red Pill: “This is how it is. So I’m not going to.”

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      • Oscar says:

        True acceptance is accompanied by a lot of honesty, and very little complaining.

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      • Jack says:

        Anger — Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to…

        Acceptance Post-Red Pill: “This is how it is. So I’m not going to.”

        Repentance Post-Red Pill: ???

        Renewed Purpose Post-Red Pill: ???

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  3. anonymous_ng says:

    I always thought of the Black Pill as the black knight equivalent, the “Burn it all down and sow salt on the remains”.

    Or, the “Have sex with her sister, her mother, and all of her friends”, etc.

    Sometimes, I wonder if all that was ever needed was for men to be taught from a young age that women are just as sinful and base as men.

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  4. The part where everything gets more complicated is that there can be deceptions in any phase. Usually deceptions get less and less moving through the anger, bargaining, denial, and depression phases, but that’s not always the case.

    For instance, even though most black pillers have some level of acceptance of observable sexuality (e.g. RP), they also believe the deception that looks are pretty much all that matters. Yeah, looks are important, but female attraction is not all based on that.

    Jaded/Abyss/Nihilism has always existed whether a man is Blue, Red, Black, God or whatever else there is.

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  5. info says:

    A believe a better word for Shalom isn’t “peace” but “Harmony” like the harmony of a well ordered symphony.

    Peace can also refer to nothing really happening aside from no conflict.

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  6. Devon70 says:

    The Black Pill is stating that physical attractiveness is the most important factor in initial relationships and there is a minimum level of physical attractiveness needed. For the majority of men (80%) that are above the minimum level the black pill isn’t really relevant to them. For men that are below this level for factors out of their control (very short or ugly face) this is a difficult thing to swallow. A life without any romantic relationships.

    There is an academic named William Costello that has been researching incels and understanding is the first step to helping. Thinking Ape had a good video discussing his research.

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    • Joe2 says:

      The comments to the video are priceless. Many offer reasons and insights as to why any therapy to help is useless and doomed to failure.

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    • Jack says:

      “The black pill is stating that physical attractiveness is the most important factor in initial relationships and there is a minimum level of physical attractiveness needed.”

      It is not Black Pill to state facts. The Black Pill is when one responds to the facts with hopeless resignation. It is also Black Pill to present the facts as a goal that a man must meet or else be doomed to a lifetime of misery and rejection.

      “For men that are below this level for factors out of their control (very short or ugly face) this is a difficult thing to swallow. A life without any romantic relationships.”

      We can presume that the unstated goal in this example is pounding poon. If you set up reaching this goal to be an indicator of your worth as a man, you’ve taken the Black Pill.

      For example, the Black Pill stream of consciousness goes something like this:

      “I am not physically attractive to women, and no matter what I do, I never will be.” –> “I will never have a woman.” –> “I will never get laid.” –> “Therefore my life is meaningless.”

      It is also Black Pill when we change the pronouns to another person:

      “He is not physically attractive to women, and no matter what he does, he never will be” –> “He will never have a woman.” –> “He will never get laid.” –> “Therefore he is worthless as a man.”

      So the Black Pill is perpetuated by (1) men who send this kind of message, and (2) men who believe it.

      To offer a comparison, the Redemptive / White Pill train of thought goes like this:

      “I am not physically attractive to women, and no matter what I do, I never will be.” –> “I will never have a woman.” –> “I will never get laid.” ==> “I cannot achieve this on my own.” –> “I may never realize the desires of my heart.” –> “Therefore I need Christ.”

      This makes it crystal clear how many men are choosing the flesh over Christ.

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    • thedeti says:

      I always thought Black Pill was that physical attractiveness is the only factor in forming sexual and romantic attachments, that nothing else matters at all.

      Black pill says it’s completely and totally hopeless for at least 30% or so of men at the bottom, there is absolutely nothing these men can do about this at all, that no amount of self improvement is going to help, and so they are helplessly and haplessly resigned to sexless and loveless lives, forever.

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      • info says:

        @thedeti

        Indeed. Even if that is the case. God doesn’t require all men to be married or be in relationships. But they can still serve Jesus Christ as single men.

        The problem is when men attach all or most of their value and meaning in romantic and marital relationships.

        That isn’t so.

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      • Joe2 says:

        @info,

        “God doesn’t require all men to be married or be in relationships. But they can still serve Jesus Christ as single men.”

        Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.” and

        Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

        The above two versus seem to suggest (at least to me) that man was created hardwired to be in some type of relationship with a women which would serve two purposes: he wouldn’t be alone and would have a help meet. Since God created man with this need, it’s reasonable to assume that God would provide an adequate supply of women to satisfy this need.

        The INCEL’s I’m aware of yearn for a meaningful relationship with a woman. In general, they are not after poon because they have adequate money to purchase all the poon they want, but such poon is simply a meaningless business transaction. It’s kind of like having a birthday party and paying for guests to attend.

        Black Pill believes it’s hopeless for a good percentage of men to form any type of attachment.

        I don’t know when or why all this went off the rails, but God knows what’s best for man and that means some type of relationship with a woman.

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      • anonymous_ng says:

        “The above two versus seem to suggest (at least to me) that man was created hardwired to be in some type of relationship with a women which would serve two purposes: he wouldn’t be alone and would have a help meet. Since God created man with this need, it’s reasonable to assume that God would provide an adequate supply of women to satisfy this need.”

        The ratio of men to women is roughly equal. God provided the women. They sin and think too highly of themselves. They sin and have sex before marriage.
        They sin and are bitches who worship money, fame, and status. God provided the women, and they used their free will to screw things up.

        People have free will. God isn’t going to override that.

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      • thedeti says:

        “God doesn’t require all men to be married or be in relationships. But they can still serve Jesus Christ as single men.”

        Sure. The problem is that today’s situation means increasing numbers of men will be single, including men who should be in marriages. They’ll be single because they’re unable to participate in today’s SMP/MMP. If they’re Christian men they should be celibate. If not, they’ll engage in illicit sex rarely, usually in the OASIS.

        “The problem is when men attach all or most of their value and meaning in romantic and marital relationships.”

        OK. These men putting no value into romantic and marital relationships means they won’t pursue those relationships which in turn means they won’t form. Women aren’t going to do anything to seek these men out. The end result will be these men will be alone. I’m increasingly of the view that this is God’s design. If that’s the case, then everyone needs to just get on with it.

        Most men are just going to have to forget about sex, women, dating, marriage, fatherhood, and family. It’s just not going to happen for increasing numbers of men. So, they should do what I wrote here.

        Relationship with God, forget women, self improve, no relationships without solid frame and requiring her to step into it, no legal marriage, accept the real possibility that women will never be part of your life.

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      • Jack says:

        Thedeti wrote,

        “Relationship with God, forget women, self improve, no relationships without solid frame and requiring her to step into it, no legal marriage, accept the real possibility that women will never be part of your life.”

        This sounds about right. Doing this would be what it would take to allow God to work in one’s life. No concupiscence / idolatry / pedestalization is allowed. Must have a larger purpose.

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      • Jack says:

        “These men putting no value into romantic and marital relationships means they won’t pursue those relationships which in turn means they won’t form. Women aren’t going to do anything to seek these men out. The end result will be these men will be alone.”

        This is what happens in the secular SMP. But if a man is trusting God, or as NovaSeeker put it, he gets out of God’s way, then God can intervene such that the following can happen.

        Men putting no value into romantic and marital relationships means they won’t pursue those relationships with the wrong types of women, which in turn means they won’t form. Women sense his detachment and a lack of neediness in him and will see that he has a larger purpose / domain of influence which is showcased through his charisma and confidence in his area of competency demonstrated in his work / mission. Those women who are inwardly drawn to a particular man will seek these men out. The end result will be that these men will have suitable helpers for their mission. It is up to the man to recognize a particular woman’s value to him and his mission, and offer commitment / marriage — not because she’s a sexy hot babe who can scoot up the snail trail with shooting stars, but because she completes / enhances his work towards his mission. This goes back to what CR was saying about the importance of considering women who are “not so cute”.

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      • thedeti says:

        “The end result will be that these men will have suitable helpers for their mission.”

        The point was that the relationships you’re talking about are going to be extremely, vanishingly few and far between.

        “This goes back to what CR was saying about the importance of considering women who are “not so cute”.”

        You’re still not hearing me. This is not a problem. Women who are “not so cute” are not being shut out of the marriage market. Women being “not so cute” has nothing to do with anything. Women who are “not so cute” are still getting what they want and need. To the extent “not so cute” women are not getting married, it is not because of lack of cuteness.

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      • thedeti says:

        Men are not refusing to consider the “not so cute” girls. Men are trying to date and marry “not so cute” girls, just like they try to date and marry cute girls, beautiful girls, hot girls, sexy girls, and “burn with the fire of a thousand suns” girls. Men are trying to date and marry ALL girls, Jack.

        It’s the not so cute girls who are rejecting these devout Christian men left and right. It’s the not so cute girls who have inflated views of their own values. It’s the not so cute girls who think they’re entitled to marry gigaChad who they had sex with a couple of times.

        I mean, this is Red Pill 101. You understand this, right? You know this is how this works, right?

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      • Jack says:

        Thedeti,

        “Men are trying to date and marry ALL girls, Jack.”

        No, not ALL men are trying to get married to ANY girl.

        “It’s the not so cute girls who are rejecting these devout Christian men left and right. It’s the not so cute girls who have inflated views of their own values. It’s the not so cute girls who think they’re entitled to marry gigaChad who they had sex with a couple of times.”

        Think about it. What sort of man would pass over these desperate not so cute girls who think they’re entitled to him because he had sex with them a couple times, someone who really should settle down and get married?

        I mean, this is Red Pill 101. You understand this, right?

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      • thedeti says:

        “No, not ALL men are trying to get married to ANY girl.”

        Come on, Jack. We’re not talking about ALL men. We’re talking about the men in your target audience: Christian men, of any and all pill persuasions. Those are the men who are geared to marriage and family formation. Those are the men who are actually trying to give women what they constantly claim to want. Those are the men I was talking about in The Unsolvable Problem. The “not so cute” women are part of the group of women we’re talking about.

        “Think about it. What sort of man would pass over these desperate not so cute girls who think they’re entitled to him because he had sex with them a couple times, someone who really should settle down and get married?”

        You’d be correct. And yes, I do understand it. The men who are passing over those not so cute girls are exactly the men those women should not be pursuing. You’re proving my point — your target audience of Christian men aren’t even on these not so cute girls’ radar. Your target audience of Christian men can’t get noticed at all — not even by the not so cute girls you claim are being ignored.

        It’s just not true that Christian men are ignoring “not so cute” girls.

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      • Jack says:

        “…your target audience of Christian men aren’t even on these not so cute girls’ radar.”

        The readership is “All”, including men destined for marriage should they ever realize this option and accept the challenge. Men who can attract women would be doing ALL other men a great eternal kindness by getting married instead of messing around for years. I know this is a small percentage of men, and that it’s unlikely. But I’ll point it out anyway for that one man out there who might read this and feel convicted to respond to the call of Christ.

        “One tree can make a thousand matches. One match can burn a thousand trees.”

        Likewise,

        “One virgin can arouse a thousand Men. One man can defile a thousand virgins.”

        It all comes apart rather fast, so don’t play with burning bushes!

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  7. okrahead says:

    Psalm 27:14 (KJV)
    Wait on the Lord: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the Lord.

    This is the only way. Anything else, no matter how steeped in worldly wisdom, will ultimately lead to despair and nihilism, i.e. the Black Pill.

    We can overcome anything with God, we can overcome nothing without Him.

    The Black Pill is an abandonment of faith.

    Paul tells us that the shield of faith can “quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one” (Ephesians 6:16).

    When judgement comes, be found with that shield or on it.

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  9. locustsplease says:

    The red pill is hard enough to swallow. Had it not been for our local judicial corruption I may not have got the whole thing down. The main black pill guy wheat waffles is right on many fronts. Yes looks are king now in dating and its haves and have not. But he doesn’t understand game or aging helping with attraction. After rp knowledge I worked on frame because I’m not sleeping with women so not gaming anyone.

    As I aged women started treating me better way better. Hot young women who would have blown me off treat me like I’m out of their league. CGA post a video yesterday that had a bill mahr clip where a guy talks about how many women chase so few men and the men left out aren’t getting enough interactions to b able to properly deal with women. When average women leave average men alone for a decade these men don’t have the ability to pick up female flirting from reg interactions. And they certainly don’t have Chad’s confidence. I have multiple mid 30s virgin buddy’s I drink beer with and they don’t have a clue. And as we know drop the ball in first 10sec of meeting a woman just walk away it’s over.

    These left alone men aren’t turning into dream boat beta bux. When men are left alone 3 decades they don’t even know why they would date. They are not having sex so not addicted they aren’t gonna deal with abuse like the beta bux will. They almost can’t become family men. All they do is men’s things in a man’s mental frame. They hunt fish work on cars watch sports. How do you pair bond with a woman and procreate when you went to work came home and did %100 what you wanted for 1.5 decades in silence.

    I can interact with them because I’m a man and understand their position but women don’t. These guys do look for women but just drop the ball so hard a month or two later they will figure out why but at the moment they don’t. Their not on Chad’s self improvement system because they didn’t even get a taste of the fruit why would they?

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  10. Oscar says:

    Now for a little levity.

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    • Jack says:

      The older and more poon DiCaprio gets, the more his tastes in women will turn towards sexed up bimbos. Just watch and see. The darkness is slowly creeping in, but not hard and fast enough to inspire an epiphany.

      Frogs in the pot.

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      • Oscar says:

        Men have a shelf life. It may be longer than women’s, but we do have a shelf life. DiCaprio’s shelf life is much longer than an ordinary man’s, but he has a shelf life, too.

        Having an unusually long shelf life is kind of a curse, because it lulls people into a false sense of security. They rarely get a sense of urgency until it’s much too late. That phenomenon is more dramatic and obvious with women, but it happens to men, too.

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