What does it look like? How can we make it happen?
Readership: Christians; Men; Christian Men;
Theme: Redemptive Headship and Masculinity
Author’s Note: This post is based on a correspondence between Jack and Catacomb Resident.
Length: 2,450 words
Reading Time: 13 minutes
A Call to Mission and Revival
Catacomb Resident’s post, Redemption is Not Convenient (2022-8-13), called out the need for the Christian Red Pill to focus on the topic of redemption. He writes,
“There is something I would like to see some day: More talk of redemption among those to whom the Lord has revealed a better understanding of reality.
It’s not hard to find any number of men in the Red Pill Manosphere who can slice and dice the problems with our society. They can articulate what’s wrong with western feminism as an oppressive social milieu. They can list the ways in which women lie to themselves and can distinguish between the pernicious peculiarities of our world versus the common fallen nature of men and women everywhere. They can examine the words and actions of both sexes and tell you with strong conviction just what this person has wrong when it comes to the Red Pill reality of human sexual response.
It’s fine to classify accurately men as Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma, etc. It’s downright satanic to act like there’s nothing we can do to redeem them as they are. Men who fall into these categories are still people. God made them that way, and He has a plan to use them with those various abilities and weaknesses. If all you can do is b!tch about the numerical dominance of men who aren’t as special as you, and try to drive them away, then shut up and stop pretending to be a Christian.
Our Lord is in the redemption business. That’s why He came, and taught, and died, and rose again. The most annoying soy-boys have a place in the Kingdom. The question is not how you identify and run them off; the question is how do you redeem them.”
“How about we start discussing this need on all those Red Pill blogs and forums? Can we start to think about a normative model of a covenant community that departs thoroughly from the rancid society in which we live? Will you pray about how to redeem all these men and women?”
This includes women too.
“Oh, yeah — I can understand the Red Pill reluctance to handle women who let themselves go, but God made a lot of them with diminished sex appeal for a reason. Every Red Pill guy I know online has a very self-centered obsession with trophy women. How about we discuss this shameful rejection of women who aren’t naturally cute, but might be a real moral and spiritual jewel if you bothered to get to know them?”Catacomb Resident: Redemption Is Not Convenient (2022-8-13)
Ed Hurst echoed Catacomb Resident’s concern in his post at Radix Fidem: Redemption and Typology (2022-8-16).
Redemption is a topic that I have given quite a bit of attention to in my blog over the last couple years, but judging by the tepid response, I’ll guess that most readers don’t have much of a clue about this.
I’ll admit that I am not very confident in my understanding of what redemption is and how it happens, but judging by the (lack of) responses to my posts, I probably have a better handle on it than most other men, so I’ll take Cat’s post as a call to action.
So I wrote to Catacomb Resident (CR) to talk with him a little bit about this, and find out what his ideas are. Specifically, I wanted to find out if my concept of redemption agrees with his, and it does. I also wanted to hear about any other insights he might have. (I’ll relay these on to the reader below.)
We agreed that redemption is an under-discussed topic that needs to be covered more so that it is clear to everyone what it is and how it happens.
I concluded the real challenge in understanding redemption is not in understanding what the scriptures say about it (because Christians have heard or read it before), but in knowing what it looks like IRL and how to make choices that lead one in that direction.
So to begin with, here’s a brief description of some outward indicators of redemption.
Hallmarks of Redemption
CR and I discussed the nature of redemption. CR said redemption has several definitions, but the essence is being rescued from the Devil’s hands. We are born with our lives forfeited to Satan and his dominion. We are slaves and prisoners. Redemption is the process of being pulled out of his clutches, so that he no longer keeps us from all our covenant blessings. It’s a process; a little here, sometimes a lot there. What that looks like is a soft definition; but to the individual man it means answering the demands of your own convictions, both for your own redemption, and for the sake of others.
Redeeming Single Men
For single men, I think a big part of redemption is…
- Understanding and accepting who they are.
- Rectifying who they are with who they are in Christ (i.e. confession, repentance).
- Learning to trust God with the self (e.g. desire, ego, libido, personality) and what they have been given (e.g. intelligence level, placement in the SMV hierarchy, stewardship of resources, etc.).
- Finding and following their God given purpose in life.
I see several significant challenges to these things as being,
- Poor, scant, or heretical teaching.
- Ill treatment and disrespect from women (including mothers and same age female peers).
- Not being able to apprehend a sense of masculine power and authority (which is most painfully evident in not being able to get any traction with women).
- Being ridiculed and rejected by other men (which CR mentioned in his post and has been discussed on Σ Frame at length).
- More, which I’ll cover in the next post.
Redeeming Married Men
Based on what I have learned and written about in the past, a man’s marriage and family experience redemption when a Headship structure is attained and/or maintained. This means that God is able to use this marriage and family for His purposes towards holiness, glory, growth, and bearing fruit, rather than it being relegated to a common, real life, sitcom drama filled with gynocentrism and self-centered sins of ignorance.
Thus, men need to get away from the churchian babble, get back to the Bible, take the Red Pill, and work towards establishing their own Patriarchal-styled domain of influence.
For women, I am less clear about what their redemption involves, except we know the following…
- A Headship covering offering guidance and accountability is absolutely necessary, and this can take the form of a father, a husband, or even a pastor or an older brother.
- Sexual promiscuity and buying into the Feminist Life Script works against their redemption, whereas being married and especially having children is a huge boon to their redemption. Therefore, women need to pursue sexual chastity and submit to male authority (father or husband).
When discussing women, we have two issues.
- We must establish some level of Heart Trust, and make an effort to interpret their Femtalk in order to properly understand their needs and how we are to go about leading them and washing them clean.
- We are not women. We can only discuss what we believe we must have from them as we build a redemptive community.
- Women as a whole are far more likely to resist the truth, partly because of their nature of being rebellious towards Biblical / masculine authority, and partly because it means taking away from them almost everything they believe they have won through feminist political and social action.
We can’t do (1) or (2) very easily because of (3). Most of feminism could be summed up in the song, “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” — they want complete freedom to act as they wish and still get the marriage of their dreams later. The biblical model is just the opposite in almost every way.
The best women we can find who might contribute their perspectives to the discussion aren’t likely to do so. Those who are really good at telling us about it would be a tiny few among the precious few who get it. This is why I value the input from Elspeth, Juliana, and Rowena, as well as Femosphere blogs like The Transformed Wife.
Regarding children, their redemption and their sanctification are much more likely to occur if their parents have a Headship type of relationship. The reason divorce is so destructive to children’s well-being is because…
- It prevents them from becoming familiar with the presence and nature of God (as it is demonstrated through their parent’s relationship on a daily basis during their formative years).
- It destroys their inborn hope of redemption.
- It transforms a sanctified home environment into one of shame and fear.
The redemption and sanctification of children is an extremely important concept because a person’s childhood experiences set the trajectory for how they might ultimately find redemption and salvation later in life.
Redeeming Faux-Masculine Men from the Socio-Sexual Hierarchy
CR and I discussed where we can go with the topic of redemption. In his pilot post, he talked a lot about hierarchy types (i.e. Alpha, Beta, Sigma, Gamma, etc.), and my past studies of Faux-Masculine Archetypes figure largely here.
On this topic, Ed Hurst wrote,
“…we all have a little Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma, Sigma and even some Omega in us. It’s exceedingly rare when any man in real life is all one thing to the exclusion of every other profile Vox Day delineated in his hierarchy. What matters is that each of those types is an avatar of how the Devil works in men to keep them captive to his false world. None of them is truly Christlike, so it’s not a real “hierarchy” but simply a typology. Don’t aspire to be any one of them, but seek to understand how each of them needs something that only Christ can offer.
And because there is an established typology we can all refer to, it provides the grounds for suggesting ways we can redeem each man from the temptations and flaws inherent in each type. That we are obliged by God to deal with others is not a question anyone should have to ask. You are no doubt better equipped to handle some than others, but to dismiss one or another simply because it’s uncomfortable is not the way we build His Kingdom. You can’t drive them away and demand they change first, before they are fit to be in your company. Would you like to spend time before God without the blood covering of His Son?”
“I contend that this doesn’t mean excluding some of the types identified in the Sexual Hierarchy. Those are not cultural issues; those are fundamental to our human existence. You are not allowed to dismiss the Gamma Mamma’s Boy just because he’s annoying. You are not allowed to lock out the damaged Omega. You are obliged by the Great Commission to do all you can, whatever and however much that is. But it’s utterly stupid to pretend they are equals in the operations of the Body of Christ. They are weaker members in need of healing. The Body needs strong male leadership to be ready for them and to have a plan to handle their flaws.”Radix Fidem: Redemption and Typology (2022-8-16)
“To the degree possible, you will identify the men in the body whom the Lord has blessed with the talents for handling the flaws of each different type. That’s part of the long-term plan of building a faith community. However, that takes place within the framework of the Covenant boundaries. Those boundaries are what saves your fleshly nature from the Devil’s domination. You don’t keep the Devil out by keeping out his captives; you take those captives from him by asserting holiness into their lives.”Radix Fidem: Redemption and Typology (2022-8-16)
CR and I agreed that the dismissive attitude of men trying to model themselves on Vox Day’s Status Signaling Narrative is a serious problem, partly because Status Signaling aligns with the current feminist world view, and partly because it excludes the majority of average but decent men. Furthermore, Vox’s mantra, “Saving the seeds of civilization while the fire rushes over the forest”, focuses on societal order and fails to address the redemption of the individual man who may not subscribe to that philosophy for entirely understandable personal reasons. What Ted got right is that many men refuse to face their limitations. But he cannot deal with such men, even those of his own constituency, and you can scarcely talk about him without facing the wrath of his orbiters. Not because he encourages that, but because he draws a lot of wannabes, and they act defensive of their tribe in ways Vox never would, even though he rejects such men in principle. That’s the paradox of men in his position.
This month, we’ll be examining the following aspects of Red Pill Redemption.
- The factors that are posing an obstacle to men’s personal and spiritual development.
- How men can identify these factors to help mentor them and foster their growth.
- What redemption looks like for several types of men.
- Strategies and techniques that men can use to consolidate on their assets and establish their personal domain of influence.
- The nature of the Black Pill and why it is a false paradigm.
- How men are discriminated against by other men.
I’ve hit on all these topics before, but this month we’ll concentrate on how to work around them so that more men stand a chance at finding redemption.
We would really appreciate any of the following Christian Manosphere bloggers to join in this endeavor by writing blog posts geared towards the topic of Redemptive Headship and Masculinity.
- Aaron Renn (The Masculinist)
- Adam Piggot
- Biblical Gender Roles
- Catacomb Resident
- Deep Strength (Christianity and Masculinity)
- Derek L. Ramsey
- D. P. Monahan (Truth and Tolerance)
- Ed Hurst (Radix Fidem)
- Feeriker (To Reclaim Normality)
- Jerry (Men of Grit)
- Matthew Cochran
- Pete Rambo (Natsab)
- Red Pill Apostle
- Rock Kitaro (Stage in the Sky)
- Sharkly (Laughing at Feminism)
- The Antemodernist
- Wintery Knight
Readers may like to think about the flaws that are characteristic of each type of man and how individuals get hung up on trying to be something they aren’t. CR and I are both interested in hearing how some of the commenters think they could help redeem each type. We’re willing to bet the best answers will take the shape of fellowship and support in person.
If Scott’s visit with Jason was so redemptive, that should help to indicate something about the limits of online discussions. It really does require us to get our hands dirty touching the lives of others. Not that it answers all issues, but that it is part of the process, and it’s part of learning to live with people who struggle to change over long periods. Our compassion and patience is part of the redemption.