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Readership: All;
Theme: Abortion
Author’s Note: This essay has additions by Jack.
Length: 2,200 words
Reading Time: 8 minutes
Roe v. Wade is Repealed
On 22 January 1973, the Supreme Court of the United States foisted on the American people one of the most evil government edicts in history. They made child sacrifice, Moloch worship — euphemistically known as “abortion”, or “a woman’s right to choose”, or “women’s reproductive rights” — the law of the land. In one of the worst miscarriages of law, justice, logic, and grammar in history, the Supreme Court found a “right” in the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution that anyone capable of reading English knows isn’t there.
Before the Supreme Court’s decision, murdering babies in the womb was legal in some states, and illegal in others. The Supreme Court made it illegal to make Moloch worship illegal. As a result, since 1973, an estimated 65 million American babies have been sacrificed on the feminist altar of “women’s rights”.
On 24 June 2022, the Supreme Court finally reversed itself.
First, let’s get something out of the way. Black-pilled, can’t-win–may-as-well-not-try, doom-and-gloomers will say that it doesn’t matter that the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. These are the same black-pilled, can’t-win–may-as-well-not-try, doom-and-gloomers who said that the Supreme Court would never overturn Roe v. Wade. They were wrong then, and they’re wrong now. There’s no reason to believe they’ve grown any wiser. They deserve only to be ignored.
Abortion is “Sacred”
Pretty much everything has a spiritual component. The spiritual component of a thing is almost always its most important component, but most people almost always ignore the spiritual component.
Abortion most definitely contains a spiritual component. Child sacrifice always does. That’s not my opinion. According to Planned Parenthood, “abortion is sacred”.
“Our reproductive health, including abortion care, is sacred. Our ancestors knew what plants and other resources around us were safe for abortion, lactation, fertility, anxiety, arthritis, or any other ailment or health condition we faced. We have always known best how and when to start a family, space our children, how to raise them, and talk to them.
Yes, our children in this realm are sacred. They are sacred because they are the entities into which we pour our time and love because we want to, not because we are forced to. No one should be forced to stay pregnant if they don’t want to. I am here because of abortion — someone down the line of ancestors knew when it was and wasn’t time for expanding their family. My own children are here because of abortion.
Just as my children and yours are sacred, so is our decision to have an abortion.”
Planned Parenthood of Illinois: Abortion is sacred. And the Supreme Court can’t take that away from us. (2021/12/3)
Abortion is a “Sacrament”
Feminists have been referring to abortion as a “sacrament” for years.
In describing the book, The Sacrament of Abortion, by Ginette Paris, Fr. Frank Pavone writes,
“In this short book, the author claims that abortion is a sacred act, a sacrifice to Artemis (known to the Romans as Diana).
Artemis is both a protector of wild animals and a hunter who kills them with deadly aim. How can these contradictory roles be found in the same female deity? The view proposed in this book is that a mother properly cares for life only if she possesses full power over life and death. Death is sometimes preferable. The one who can provide death, in order that one may escape an unfriendly life, is really loving the one who is being killed.
Abortion, then, is seen as “an expression of maternal responsibility and not a failure of maternal love” (p.8). “Artemis stands for the refusal to give life if the gift is not pure and untainted… As Artemis might kill a wounded animal rather than allow it to limp along miserably, so a mother wishes to spare the child a painful destiny” (p. 55).
Artemis, of course, is the same goddess whose worshippers felt so threatened by Paul’s proclamation of the Gospel in Ephesus, where a riot nearly broke out and a vast crowd shouted for two hours, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!” (Acts 19:34). The worshippers of Artemis today should likewise feel that their beliefs are threatened, because the proclamation of the Gospel of Christ is that He alone has authority over life and death. Neither the mother, nor the father, nor the state, nor the individual herself, can claim absolute dominion over life. “Nobody lives as his own master, and nobody dies as his own master. While we live, we are responsible to the Lord, and when we die, we die as His servants. Both in life and death, we are the Lord’s” (Rom. 14:7-8).
The fact that some defend abortion as a sacred act should alert us to the depth of the spiritual warfare that is going on. Abortion has never been merely or even primarily a political issue. It is a false religion. When pro-life Christians, for example, pray in front of an abortion mill, it is not simply a matter of pro-life people opposing false medicine. It is the true Church in conflict with a false Church. One former clinic security guard, after being converted, admitted why he was angry at pro-life sidewalk counselors: “You were coming to protest in front of our church. That clinic was where we conducted our worship.”
Priests for Life: The “Sacrament” of Abortion (2011/6/20)
Again, these are their words, not mine.
Abortion is a Religion
It should have surprised precisely no one when the Satanic Temple “introduced a ‘satanic abortion ritual’ to argue for a religious exception” to laws restricting abortion.
“The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.
Responding to a leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, TST said it was committed to protecting “religious abortion access” for its members.
“In states that outlaw abortion but grant exceptions for instances of incest and rape,” TST said in a statement, “members should be permitted a religious exception to perform TST’s religious abortion ritual.”
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The religious organization introduced the “Satanic Abortion Ritual” to argue for a religious exception under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a 1993 federal law which made it illegal for states to interfere in anyone’s religion without demonstrating a compelling interest.
TST’s argument was that if it regarded abortion as a religious ritual, then the state could not legally intervene or burden patients with prerequisites. The “ritual” argument came amid a series of lawsuits aimed at Missouri where women are, among other things, compelled to read “informed consent” booklets before going through with an abortion.
One of their arguments was that subjecting its members to these requirements violated one of its central tenets: “one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.”
Fox News: Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure (2022/5/9)
Abortion is Child Sacrifice
Abortion is satanic, Moloch-worshiping, child sacrifice, whether the people involved know it, or admit to it, or not.
God hates the shedding of innocent blood.
16 These six things the Lord hates,
Proverbs 6:16-17 (NKJV)
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood
God absolutely hates child sacrifice.
21 And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
[…]
24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.’”
Leviticus 18:21,24-30 (NKJV)
Abortion Defiles the Land
The shedding of innocent blood defiles a land.
33 So you shall not pollute the land where you are; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. 34 Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.
Numbers 35:33-34 (NKJV)
The word defiled appears frequently in the scriptures cited above. Defilement, similar to being unclean, has a spiritual component. A person who is defiled has committed certain acts (i.e. having an abortion) and/or has had certain experiences that cast a spell over one’s spiritual constitution such that they come to possess certain emotional predilections and peculiar affections. It also affects one’s state of mind such that they are predisposed to irrational subjective biases and they cannot think objectively. The end effect is that one becomes more emotional and less rational, more psychotic and less real, more given over to sentiments and less so to faith and education. Essentially, more feeelz, less conviction.
Worse, defilement becomes a permanent part of one’s constitutional identity of the soul, such that one becomes unfit or unable to have certain other experiences in life (i.e. blessings, inner peace, shalom) leading to personal and spiritual maturation.
“Defiling the land” means that the defiling acts affect everyone living in that region, such that everyone becomes empathetic to the psychotic. Leviticus 18:28 indicates that even the natural creation cannot tolerate it. God hates it so much, that He’s destroyed nations and empires because of it.
Cleansing the Land
Recognizing these truths is the first step towards cleansing a land defiled by the innocent blood shed upon it, but it’s only the first step. There’s a hәll of a lot of work left to do. Here’s where we now stand.
This is where the Black-pilled, can’t-win-may-as-well-not-try, doom-and-gloomers will say, “A-ha! You see! It doesn’t matter! Abortion is still legal!”
Allow me to present another chart. This gif demonstrates how dramatically concealed carry laws have changed in the USA since 1986.
Have there been setbacks in gun rights since 1986? Of course there have been. You didn’t expect a smooth ride, did you? Despite those setbacks, the trend is obvious.
“But that’ll never happen with banning abortion!” say the same Black-pilled, can’t-win-may-as-well-not-try, doom-and-gloomers who said the Supreme Court would never overturn Roe v. Wade. Seriously, they only deserve to be ignored.
Expect setbacks, and expect it to take a long time. I’m 46. Most of the Christians who were my age in 1973 and wept over Roe v. Wade died before its reversal. But, despite the setbacks, and the time it takes, expect us to slowly push the darkness back. And not just in the case of abortion.
I see overturning Roe v. Wade like Gideon destroying his town’s idols and daring their pagan gods to do something about it (Judges 6:25-36).
Abortion is the Left’s highest satanic sacrament, but not the only one. Not even close. Other idols will fall. It will take time, but they will fall.
Conclusions
None of this means we’re out of the woods, as far as God’s judgment goes. The USA almost split over slavery. The parallels are eerie. Pro-slavery people denied the humanity of black Africans to justify violating their right to liberty, just as pro-abortion people deny the humanity of babies in the womb to justify violating their right to life. The movement to abolish slavery originated in the church as a consequence of the doctrine of the Imago Dei, just as the movement to abolish abortion originated in the church as a consequence of the doctrine of the Imago Dei. If a similar split happens over abortion, understand that we deserve far worse. As in, Sodom-and-Gomorrah levels of worse.
Our part is to obey God, tear down idols, and leave the consequences to Him.
We rightfully rejoice in this victory, but we understand that this is only one battle in a very long war. We celebrate, and promptly roll up our sleeves and get back to work.
And we might want to consider attending church armed.
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.
John 16:33 (NKJV)
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I think this will be a Pyrrhic victory in a few years. It doesn’t outlaw abortion or prevent congress from forcing it through strings attached to federal funds.
It’s also going to wake up the ruling class beast, which will punish pro-life judges across the country.
As per the states, all that has to happen is a shift in the politics.
IOW, abortion is going to be an ongoing battle that the right continues to lose for years to come.
And how long until republicans change their mind? Remember when they were against gay marriage, tr@ns in sports and womens locker rooms, and against gun control? They shifted their opinion on those issues overnight. Why is this going to be any different?
So we get a quick win at the expense of turning out the democrat electorate, risking court packing and impeachments, and inevitable caving by republicans.
Yay.
Meanwhile the court recently further eviscerated the double jeopardy clause and wrote a “how to create gun restrictions” opinion that our side is celebrating as a win.
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The areas where abortion is worshipped are areas where the D electorate gets their candidates elected with 70+ percent of the vote. Couple that all the other pain that the Biden administration is clueless and/or unwilling to address, people’s nanosecond short memories and that national sentiments on abortion are under 50% and your prediction of a D uprising this next election over the ruling is on shaky ground.
The ruling forces squishy mentally unstable power hungry R’s to make a decision about which side of the line they are on. This is a VERY GOOD thing because abortion is not one of those gray area issues where reasonable people can have different takes. It’s a position of eternal moral consequence and as such, we need to know who pretends to represent us but is really against us. Those who are against us on the very easy topic of protecting life are going to actively work against us instead of representing us which means let the primary purification process begin! After the hard work of getting representatives in place that actually represent our interests, then it’s time to pink slip the unelected bureaucrats that work to subvert the republic.
Here is why Roe being overturned should fill people’s hearts with hope and motivate them to double down on efforts to stamp out what is the murder of children for convenience. The ruling moves abortion from the federal level, where it was unconstitutionally enshrined for 50 years to the states. The states are where most of governance is supposed to happen because this is where people have the most influence over how their elected officials govern. This means individuals have much more control over their own laws then when a group of activist jurists dreamt up the constitutional right to abortion and in doing so metastasized the cancer of abortion equally amongst the states.
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I want to add a very specific case in point regarding more localized politics. I go to church with my former state senator (district changed when we moved a few years ago) and before that I’d interacted with him over the years a various industry events. This very access was part of the intent the founding fathers had when they designed the constitution to give absolute but strictly limited power at the federal level and leave the rest for local people to sort out as they best saw fit.
It is very hard to avoid the people you represent when you live and work amongst them. It is very easy to avoid them when you have an apartment in DC.
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Gay marriage was not a gray area until it was. Same thing for trans sports issues. At least 5 of those states in the OP’s map are heading blue or are already.
The rural right is a small % of the country. We live in echo chambers and think, “Because our neighbor is X, everyone is x.” The problem is we are outnumbered, even in our own states.
I work in the political arena that is comprised of “right wing republicans.” Nearly all are anti abortion during election season only.
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I see it that way also. This will energize the usual suspects – the media, entertainment, government, higher education, the political class, like few other things can. In mob-rule USA, not much can withstand the united opposition of the feminine imperative. Squishy republicans, especially female ones, will join hands with the left. I expect a noisy full-court press (no pun intended) on the matter of abortion to continue for a long time.
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If Republicans flip flop on abortion a substantial number of social conservatives (including me) will sit out elections and Republicans won’t win without us. People like Ron Desantis and Christofer Rufo are fighting back and winning. The National Review strategy of burying your head in the sand has been discredited.
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They didn’t do this when republicans caved on the trans issue
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None of this ultimately matters for the simple reason that the USA as a nation will cease to exist within a few years. All of these SCOTUS decisions will become quaint legal relics of an extinct nation, of interest to historians or legal scholars, but irrelevant as binding law.
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Probably not “a few” years. More like 20 or so. The USA will hang on as a fractured but functioning political entity for at least another 20 years.
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Fine piece of writing Oscar.
They REALLY hate Catholics which is funny given the high visibility pro abortion Catholic politicians.
But it’s not like Baptists will be safe either. Fortunately there’s open carry where we live.
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They also really have it out for “Evangelicals”. So we are all in this together.
Orthodox hasn’t been significant enough to count. But they will join the ranks of being loathed.
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Agree. Orthodox just aren’t very visible in this country. They’d hate you too.
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Thanks, Cameron.
Jack may be an even better editor than he is a writer, because he always improves my writing dramatically.
The Catholic Church deserves major credit for this victory. No other organization has been more consistent in opposing child sacrifice. Not perfect, but consistent.
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Agreed, and Protestant Churches that didn’t get on board or oppose this are apostates and are dying or are dead.
The Spirit of God isn’t among them.
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When I lived there I attended a March for life as part of a press crew. I didn’t see a single Protestant group present. A few weeks before I asked the church I was attending (CHBC) if they would participate in it or announce the event. No email back, they never discussed it. They never have over the heads. Mark devers has been outed as a liberal at this point (I was almost arrested at the March too).
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I won’t say which case, but I have attended a rally on the steps of the court during arguments for an abortion related issue. Pro abort people bussed in crazies. One tried to attack me and cops had to separate us.
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Whenever laws like Roe v. Wade are rescinded, or anti-abortion legislation is passed, or republicans win elections by a wide margin, some people are convinced that all Americans want to walk the straight and narrow, when in fact, people just want taxes cut and criminals put in jail. Many people believe that faith in Jesus can be legislated… and even if it could… how sincere would it be? Would sincerity even matter?
I don’t recall Jesus demanding an audience with Caesar and telling him to stop “child sacrifice” either.
Roe v. Wade has been a moot political issue since the early 1990’s. This recent development is just a feel good victory for Christians. Most practicing Christians don’t have a problem with others getting an abortion, and if someone living in a state where abortion is banned really wants an abortion, they will just travel to a state that allows it.
So I couldn’t care less if abortion is legal or not because it doesn’t make much difference. Legislation didn’t stop abortion from happening pre 1973. Abortion didn’t suddenly take off and become more popular after the pro-abortion marches in 1994.
Republicans will argue that people who breed like rabbits are lazy and irresponsible if they live on welfare. Instead, we all just need to be church-going, hardworking, family-minded engineers and officers in the military. Meanwhile, taxpayers and servicemen in uniform support a government that has murdered millions around the globe in the name of Jesus… I mean, oil, money, and political manouvering.
Why does the “thou shall not kill” thing only apply to abortion but not to America’s many military “in(ter)ventions” around the world?
Elites on the right are just as bothersome and hypocritical as their left counterparts.
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This whole issue is a stick in my eye because of my brother’s experience.
I mean, try telling this to a young couple who are going to have a child with Down’s Syndrome — a child that comes with vast medical complications that will cost somewhere in the lower millions just to keep him alive, and will certainly put them into bankruptcy. Their marriage is strained from day one with the emotional and financial burdens. Meanwhile, they are continually lectured by fellow christians (who have healthy, normal children) as to what a “blessing” from God they have — people who tell them, “God wants you to have this child, and in fact, God chose YOU to have this child! You are either very holy and special or you must-have-done-something to deserve this child. So buck up and take care of it.”
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Behold the morality of a man who wishes his own brother’s death, and abandoned his brother on the opposite side of a continent. What a nice guy.
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That’s way over the line.
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Wishing death on ones own brother and abandoning him on the opposite side of a continent is way over the line. Pointing out that it’s way over the line is accurate.
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He has an argument with god therefore thinks others should play god with their children.
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Lastmod…. You really are a garbage human being.
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Before abortion, which is a complicated and risky medical procedure, infanticide was much more common. In the Ancient World, “sacrificing babies to Moloch,” or variants such as Witchcraft gatherings, Bacchanales, etc., may have been literally the functional equivalent of abortion today.
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Yes, this is an assumption that we’ve failed to state explicitly. Also the converse: Abortion is the functional equivalent of infanticide.
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There is nothing new under the sun.
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You’re conflating two different issues. More than that Jason, you’d be hard pressed at this point to find any right-leaning person of GenX or younger who is in favor of the U.S. military’s imperial shenanigans.
Lastly, I am confused as to why it is so hard to understand why half the country (at least) is against baby murder, and another quarter is at best indifferent to Roe. Only the Satanic fringe left is insisting on their right to child sacrifice up until the baby is in the figgin’ birth canal.
I do NOT get how you people are fine with baby murder. It’s not as if pregnancy just “happens” to a woman. And even Planned Parenthood acknowledges that 98% of abortions are elective birth control and not cases of rape, incest, or risk of life of the mother.
I truly do not understand.
And yes, I have been pregnant at a time and stage of life where it was not the best option for me. But I allowed my child to live.
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“And even Planned Parenthood acknowledges that 98% of abortions are elective birth control and not a result of rape, incest or life of the mother.”
Roughly 70,000,000 abortions since 1973, which means according to PPs % that are elective 68,600,000 people have been killed because they were an inconvenience to their parent or parents. We can also look at abortion from the perspective of it’s progressive, racist eugenics based history. Abortion is a more palatable and easy to sell option due to the emotional component involved in hardships single mothers face, than the idea of forced sterilization. The Margaret Sangers of the time discussed the ideas in light of figuring out how to deal with “undesirables” (read: not Caucasian). Even though black, Hispanic and other groups have made up less than 50% of the population from 1973 until now, they represent the majority of abortions by a pretty good margin.
Here’s PBS unwittingly admitted how successful the racist origins of abortion and PP have been.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/black-and-hispanic-people-have-the-most-to-lose-if-roe-is-overturned
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Most educated people at that time promoted eugenics whether positive or negative. Her most powerful motivation was sluttery — eugenics made it sellable to the elite of that era. Sanger: sometimes a racist always a slut.
Taki’s Magazine: Sometimes a Racist, Always a Slut (2008-5-6)
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How is it “two” different issues?
Thou shall not kill? Okay…depending on what and who is doing the killing? Who is ordering it and who is condoning it?
Also……did your children require life support? Were they hooked up to tubes, dials and hoses? When they finally got to come home from the hospital did you have to feed your baby through a tube in its back every six hours? Did you smile when the hospital sent the bill for initial care and it was for over 70K (1966 dollars…today 631K).
No insurance would pick it up. Would you smile when the hospital took you court and set a garnishment on your wage? Remember the bills and care kept piling up too. Would you smile when the local priest says “you should be happy to have a child like this!” and being a young mom at 19 while “everyone else” around you has a healthy baby?
Too many pro-life will be for saving every child and baby like this and will give platitudes about how “blessed” one is to be selected for this wonderful job, few would take it themselves.
Joining the military and being sent to a foreign land and told to kill people…many of which will be children…is okay though? Not murder. Justified because an authority said so?
Could care less if its legal or not. Saw on my end my life stunted because of this (always sick…always sick…..no life until I moved out of the house…my parents tied to a chronic burden they never asked for)
Yet…….gotta keep that baby alive no matter what because god said so. But god made him like that. god can handle him, thanks for putting the burden on a young mother with no help.
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You’re still a garbage human being Jason.
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Kill and murder have multiple different Hebrew roots when used in OT scripture (exodus). English translations uses one word “kill” for all of these, so context is lost. It’s though shalt not murder.
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The same people who are carrying on about a woman’s “bodily autonomy” are the same people who were all in favor of vaccine mandates.
And how ironic it is that it was a Black man who put the brakes on Margaret Sanger’s racial eugenics agenda.
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Thomas knows the history of Sanger, Planned Parenthood and eugenics. I can’t imagine that did not come into play when writing his opinion.
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Awesome Gideon analogy!
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Its going to ramp up the conflict. They have already attempted to assassinate the Judges.
Big League Politics: Democrats Post Addresses of Supreme Court Justices and Bomb Instructions on TikTok (2022-6-26)
They are coming for us next. Train up, Arm up the Men and be ready to rumble. Its not over by a long shot until they are gone.
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Recommend bulletproof clothing too:
Or body armor under clothing. Just in case.
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Historically, one of the main differences between free men on the one hand, and slaves and serfs on the other, is that free men are authorized to own, carry, and train with weapons. The reason is simple. Lords and masters don’t want their slaves and serfs to rebel.
From that historical fact, we can derive a few truths.
1) A politician who wants you disarmed sees you as a slave or serf, and sees him/herself as your lord or master.
2) If you would remain a free man, behave like one. Arm yourself.
3) A non-politician who wants you disarmed sees him/herself as a slave or serf, and prefers being taken of by their lord or master over freedom. They’re afraid you’ll screw up that comfortable system for them.
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“taken of” should be “taken care of”.
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This is why I’m skeptical of long term victories. The only opposition party has a history of caving on every other moral issue over the last 15 years.
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I still personally think we’re in the end times. This will however cause a large social rift-change. What it is idk. One is we may get more truth the church of Satan will probably expand and you will see all the people with it in private in public and it’s way more than you want to think. Many women worship witchcraft. Just start dating and you’ll find out. Before I was a believer I ran into a few in my short dating history.
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Note how the concealed carry map serves as a litmus test. A person who can watch the gradual restoration of 2nd amendment rights over 36 years and derive zero hope from it is literally hopeless.
Note that the same people who were wrong when they said RVW would never be overturned are now saying its overturning doesn’t matter. They were wrong then, and they’re wrong now.
30 years from now, when abortion is illegal in most states, they’ll still be saying it doesn’t matter.
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CC is making a comeback because it’s about individual rights and individual autonomy. It’s not so much about faithful adherence to the Second Amendment.
Roe’s overturning doesn’t matter, because most states will permit some form of abortion. That’s political reality.
If you’re right, that 30 years from now most states will outlaw abortion (if there even is a United States then, and even if that United States still has 50 states), then that will be the political reality.
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Did I call it, or what?!
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Political reality is political reality, whether we like it or not.
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And I will bet on republicans caving and democrats impeaching
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Of course the Republicucks will cave. Just like they always do.
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The court laid out a roadmap for “reasonable” objective regulations. Ammo, capacity, taxes and fees are all fair game for the left.
On my site I have a summary of the NY decision
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I wish I could be as sanguine and as optimistic as Oscar and Cameron and RPA about Roe being overturned. I see this more like Lexet and FarmLegend.
As a practical matter, the issue has been lost, for the most part. Abortion rights, “reproductive rights”, have been woven into America’s political, social, and civic fabric. The reality is that most states will permit some form of abortion. Most state legislatures will bow to political pressure. The reality is that women line up as a bloc on this issue. Even conservative women go liberal on reproductive “freedom” because women are a herd and no woman wants kicked out of the herd. Second, women love the “rape/incest/mother’s life” exceptions, because they appeal to the “but but but we just CAN’T make it SO HARD for women who get into a TOUGH SPOT because IT’S NOT THEIR FAULT. We have to DO SOMETHING to HELP them and what if that happens to ME??” The rape/incest/mother’s life exceptions will be preserved in almost all states. Most states will allow abortion on demand up to about 12-14 weeks gestation, because the public will demand it and their legislatures will enact it. Simple political reality.
Adam’s post on CIvil War II is apt. It’s an approach I had not considered but he’s mostly correct. The Civil War in 1861-65 was not about slavery. It was about states’ rights and what power the federal government could have to dictate policy to states. Slavery was just the hot button issue – and it had been brewing since the 3/5 Compromise just before the constitutional convention. No one cared about whether slavery was right or wrong – all they cared about was who was benefiting or losing from slavery. It’s the same thing here – this is about federalism and how much power the federal government can have so it can dictate from on high to its people.
There’s one difference that makes abortion a perfect hot button issue: today there is much, much more emphasis on individual autonomy than there was 160 years ago, but so much less emphasis on individual responsibility. The individual adult in 1860 was almost always part of a larger community. He was more civic minded. He came from a family with people who cared about him and he, them. He was better educated on fundaments of knowledge even after ending his formal education at age 13. He knew how to work. He was responsible because he had to be. He made his own way. He was usually married for life by age 26. Depression and emotions are not a thing for him – he doesn’t have time for them. He’s resilient, strong, and stoic. He will make it, one way or another, on his own, because he has a legacy to think about.
Contrast this with today’s adult. He’s disconnected from community mostly because there is no community. He grew up on the streets living with a single mom and hasn’t seen his dad in years – if he even knows who his dad is. He has little extended family. He doesn’t even interact with human beings on a regular basis. He has social media “friends” he’s never met in person. He is functionally illiterate and innumerate, even after attending community college. What he knows, he learned from Google and Tiktok. He doesn’t know how to work. He is painfully irresponsible, mostly because no one has ever made him be responsible. He has never held a job for more than a year. He doesn’t know how to function without a “safe space” and “trigger warnings” and constant counseling. He’s constantly traumatized, weak, and soft. It’s all about him, all the time. He won’t make it, and he doesn’t care – he’ll just disappear into oblivion when he’s gone.
This is why abortion will be the hot button issue today. Individual autonomy is the god du jour. It’s all about me, all about me, all the time. Today’s adult populace has been given everything it wants on a silver platter, including sexual license. Having sex with whomever you want whenever you want however you want. They have no idea how to even approach a world in which this is denied them. All they care about is making sure they can still do what they want. Their political awareness extends to “don’t care, as long as I can do what I want”. Whatever or whoever promises them they can still do whatever they want will capture their hearts and minds. And will be the catalyst for the next national fracture.
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One can only believe that if one ignores the writings on the abolitionist side, and the pro-slavery side.
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OK. So those who felt very strongly about slavery cared about the morality of it. Most didn’t — for most it was a catalyst. Lincoln didn’t care either way — If black slaves were to be freed, he wanted them repatriated to Africa. He wanted them out of the country. For the proslavery side it was mostly economics — the South benefited from cheap slave labor.
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This is an accurate assessment. I agree with it.
Great Britain ended slavery in 1833, in large part on the force of the gospel as preached by William Wilberforce. No shots fired. The fact that the US abolitionists were not able to effect the same result is telling. That feminists hitched their wagons to the abolitionist movement is — I believe — part of the reason why it couldn’t happen in a less brutal way. Too many irons in the fire.
The net result of the U.S. Civil War was the end of federalism and the beginning of a massive degree of federal government power. My take is that the loss of liberty that overtook the republic was part of the judgement passed on the US as a result of chattel slavery and how it was carried out in the US. The punishment certainly fits the crime.
So while the war was certainly about slavery, it was also about federalism and the balance of power between the states and the federal government. I hate to say things that should go without saying, but here goes: No. I wouldn’t have rather been born a slave.
Nevertheless, the civil war was partly a triumph (for the liberty of the enslaved), but also a defeat for all that the American experiment was designed to be. And we all (red and yellow, black and white) are suffering the results of the failure of the American experiment.
Or it could simply be that democracy cannot stand the test of widespread prosperity.
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I agree with the idea that feminists are to blame for the war.
The institution wouldn’t have lasted long term. The south was not doing well pre war and was not industrious compared to free states.
But the radicals took charge and wanted results now and then. That’s always a bad idea- change has to take place gradually. What happened was a bloody war that rivaled the napoleonic wars in Europe, and 150 years of racial tension and post war depression in the south (the south has only recently came into economic prosperity)
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Abolitionists were a very small percentage of northerners.
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They owned the Republican Party back then. As did the anti mason faction.
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You’re strengthening my point.
Mao Zedong said that if you have 10% of a population on your side, you have a majority, and you’ll win. That’s because, said Mao, over 80% of the population is “apathetic”. I’d call them apolitical. If over 80% are apolitical, then 10% of the political make a majority.
The people that care most pull the rest of society in their direction. That’s why insane Leftist ideas are mainstream now. That’s also why almost all states have shall-issue concealed carry permits, many states don’t even require a permit, and the Supreme Court just affirmed shall-issue.
It’s also why we Christians are going to abolish abortion, just like we abolished slavery.
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Put more simply: “The squeaky wheels get the grease.”
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The small percentage I referred to was 2% not 10%. Slavery wasn’t ended by the approximately 2% of northerners who were abolitionists.
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Calvinism for the win. 2%, 10%. Doesn’t matter. 🙂
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Only reason Georgia became a slave state was because a Calvinist wanted slave labor to run an orphanage
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We can’t ignore George Whitefield, probably the most important evangelist of the Great Awakening of the 18th century. Later, he became one of colonial America’s staunchest advocates for slavery’s expansion. He lobbied for the expansion of slavery to Georgia and was successful. He needed slaves to work at his Georgia plantation to fund the operation of his orphanage. Apparently, George Whitefied wasn’t too concerned about the morality.
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So it only takes 2% to win. Sweet.
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Whitefield wrongly defended slavery on moral grounds, as did everyone I’ve read who was pro-slavery.
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Money corrupts. These were not accidental or harmless errors either, but post hoc misinterpretations to justify the practice and soothe peoples conscience. Just because it was acceptable doesn’t mean it wasn’t insane and evil (see abortion issue).
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Whitfield I’m sure defended slavery on biblical grounds. His interpretation of course. There was a long history of debate in this country among bible believing Christians as to whether or not slavery was morally licit.
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The south was comprised of totalitarian regimes. The confederacy was dictatorial.
The issue of slavery encompassed a moral issue- one over personhood. An entire region of the country viewed slaves as non human- in their laws, in their skewed interpretation of the Bible, and in their way of life.
There is literally no point in obeying the laws of man when they are perverse in their morality.
Individual rights > states rights > federal rights.
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It’s true that the Civil War resulted in the abolition of slavery in the USA. That’s a very good thing.
It’s also true that the Civil War resulted in a dangerous increase in centralized government. That’s a very bad thing.
The lesson is that, even when we try to right a wrong, we still screw things up.
The sub-lesson is pick your own damned cotton. None of this would’ve been necessary if Americans hadn’t enslaved anyone to begin with.
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Christians didnt abolish slavery. A few million unfortunate Irish immigrants mostly were drafted into a war of aggression against the South and slavery was made to be the main issue. A lot of MURDER happened in the defeat of the South and slavery. What didn’t change was the lot for most American blacks and po’ whites in the South… What DID change was the MASSIVE government overreach in Reconstruction led by the republicans of all people.
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Reconstruction ended too early and wasn’t violent enough. Evidence= everything that happened in the south since
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Christians DID abolish slavery, not just in the USA, but around the world. It wasn’t Muslims. It wasn’t Hindus. It wasn’t Jews. It wasn’t Buddhists. It sure as hell wasn’t atheists or agnostics.
It was Christians.
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You can be. Baby steps! Just try to focus on what was actually decided at the supreme court. Was it good to reverse a horrible case of “legislation from the bench” that nationally legalized wicked child sacrifice and to correct that evilly motivated Judicial overreach? If it was an upright thing that happened, then you can be happy about what has really actually happened, which you yourself doubted would happen, and quit worrying about all that might happen in the unknowable future. The key to overcoming cowardice and its resulting inaction is just to always focus on doing what is right and best at this very instant today, and not worrying about what may eventually befall you for having done rightly and provoking the devil and his demons. If you repeatedly let your fear of evil repercussions subdue you, you’re reduced to being a cowardly bystander, who is afraid to even celebrate with the righteous during a moment of progress against the wanton slaughter of innocent children. You’ve willingly relegated yourself into Mao’s 80% of worried do-nothings while a battle between good and evil is being openly fought, and, either way, 40 years from now you’ll most likely be dead whether you fought gloriously or cowered.
What I hear is that you’ve grown so accustomed to losing that when we score a rare victory you fear the uncertainty associated with winning as much as the resignation of losing.
“One man with courage makes a majority.” ~ Andrew Jackson
“God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right, even though I think it is hopeless.” ~ Chester W. Nimitz
“In order to attain the impossible, one must attempt the absurd.” ~ Miguel de Cervantes
“The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” ~ (Unknown)
“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality.” ~ Seneca
“Fortune favors the bold.” ~ Virgil
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It was a huge win. Just because it wasn’t the total win of the final battle does not mean it was not a huge win. As I said before, this was Helm’s Deep; Gondor still awaits. But had Helm’s Deep been lost, so too would have Gondor.
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“Battles are often won and lost between your ears before you set foot on the battlefield.” ~ Red Pill Apostle
“We fail to comprehend God’s power as both creator and sustainer of existence so both our understanding of what is possible and our prayers are small.” ~ Red Pill Apostle
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I see it like the Battle of Midway. It was an absolute must-win for both sides, and the USA won it. But even so, there was still a 3+ year slog of island hopping horror ahead of the victors.
Roe v. Wade was decided over 49 years ago. I wasn’t even born then, and I’m not exactly young. We shouldn’t be surprised if the final victory takes another 49 years. But, God willing, He may grant us the grace to win in 20 or 30 years. If so, that’s far more than we deserve.
Either way, we can’t win if we don’t fight.
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I told this story over at Spawny’s. I had a VERY personal run in with Roe v. Wade.
About 2 months after our second girl was born, I had finally warmed up to her. It took a while, but we finally “connected” and the amount of joy I felt holding that young one and watching her older sister play (19 months old at the time) was indescribable. I was working from home at the time so I was around them quite a bit, which was good because my ex was a high risk pregnancy, and had do a c-section with #2. She did not recover well.
Anyway, with a big stupid grin on my face, I walked into the kitchen after playing with the kids mid morning and I asked my ex, “What would you do if I got you pregnant again?” Saying this in partial jest because at the time she was still recovering.
Know what she said to me?
“I’d march down to Planned Parenthood and get it taken care of.”
There was no teasing, joking, or any of that. She was a serious as a heart attack.
Color me floored.
This evil woman was willing to kill my child…
I got a vasectomy 6 weeks later. I gave myself lots of reasons to do it, even a little bit of a savior complex, “keeping her from sin”, typical blue pill justification. When I look back, what that all that was covering up was, “If you kill my child I will end your life!”
My hope and prayer now is that no man will ever have to go through that conversation with his wife like I did 16 years ago. Giving license to evil is always wrong.
Keep praying men. The devil might be in a senior management position in this world, but he still has to answer to the BOSS, and the BOSS hears our prayers.
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Great. Abortion is banned in your state. Woman really wants an abortion. Drive to the next one, take a week off and flies to one where it is legal. Gets it done. Boy…you guys really showed them!!!!
It was illegal in Ireland until very recently…….what did all those devout, Catholics do? Hop a ferry to England / Wales or cross the border over into Northern Ireland and got one. Illegal in all fifty states? Great, just go to Canada, or Mexico.
You guys have really showed them!
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You mean people with murder in their hearts will find ways around the law to commit murder?
By that “logic” we should make murdering adults legal, because murderers find ways around the law.
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This country was always divided about abortion and Christians didn’t abolish abortion even when they had the chance. I doubt they will now.
The book, The Ethics of Marriage by H.S. Pomeroy, M.D. compared the abortion laws in effect in 1895, when the book was written. About 125 years ago, the laws were all over the place. Some states abortion was legal, such as in South Carolina and New Jersey. I always thought South Carolina was in the “bible belt” so making abortion illegal should have been a natural, but it didn’t happen. New York had made abortion illegal, but you just had to go across the Hudson River to New Jersey to obtain an abortion. So for all practical purposes, abortion was available to the 2.7 million people living in New York City. In one state abortion was illegal only after “quickening.” States also differed in other related areas, such as the use of contraceptives, punishment was it for the women or the providers and the severity of the punishment from what appeared to be a slap on the wrist to imprisonment.
Based on this history, it seems there was never agreement and we may just return to a fragmented approach and make concessions as necessary.
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@ Joe2
People used to say the same thing about slavery.
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You are such a garbage human being Jason.
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Jason I am trying to understand you here. Why would you choose to dump on me and my real struggles with life and death in my own family? I share things like this so other men can understand the dangers of being married in the west, and how there can be real consequences in marrying a woman who professes to be a Christian, which clearly she wasn’t.
There is nothing about being alpha/beta/holding frame or any of that here. This wasn’t a humble brag because I got a woman. This is my pain and how I dealt with it.
This is a spiritual battle we are waging. If you don’t have the stomach for it fine, but ENOUGH with dumping on others.
All the men here care about you and your struggles. HOWEVER, all of us have a line and you are in danger of crossing it.
If you continue down this path, you will be considered an enemy and treated as such.
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Lastmod is a garbage human being.
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Jason’s not garbage.
He’s in pain.
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Deti,
You don’t tolerate excuses for immoral women. Don’t make excuses for an immoral man.
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Never interrupt your enemies when they’re devouring each other.
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This is exhibit 1A why I am optimistic about the Roe ruling’s long term effects. The truth is so toxic to the left that they beat each other up when they accidentally state the truth.
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As mentioned the 2% of abolitionists didn’t effect the abolition of slavery so the comparison fails IMO.
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Read that phrase again slowly….
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Sorry. Typing on phone with middle age eyes.
The 2% of northerners that were dedicated abolitionists didn’t effect (bring about) the abolition of slavery.
Thanks.
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Where’d you get the 2% figure? The smallest figure I could find was 2-5%, and that was for the entire country, not for the North, and only included people who wanted slavery abolished immediately, not those who were willing to abolish slavery incrementally, and it came from the typical “America is irredeemably racist” types.
The point is that it was probably much higher. But either way, the abolitionists had a disproportionate effect in their day, just as those of us who want to abolish abortion have had a disproportionate effect in our day.
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Tell me about it.
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Related: New Jersey drops “justifiable need” requirement for gun carry permits.
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All states now must drop “applicant must demonstrate a need” requirements for carry permits. The only issue is whether you qualify for a carry permit, not whether you “need” one.
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Exactly. It’s yet another victory in the 36-year (and counting) incremental restoration of 2A rights. Incrementalism works. The Left has been using it for decades, and so have we.
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Exactly Oscar. Have a goal and stay focused on it. Move towards the goal any time you can any amount you can even if that movement small. The secret is to not lose focus and keep moving. This is how the insurmountable task gets accomplished.
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Now watch the number of “mass shootings” suddenly explode. Pure coincidence it will be, of course. /sarc
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Liberal states will probably start requiring multiple letters of recommendation to prove you are a law abiding citizen in good standing. They can do this in an objective way that gets around the courts subjective need requirement.
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Bruce Charlton doesn’t seem real white pill.
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Bruce has lots of good insights but there are times when he’s a total Boomer / doomer. I don’t know what it is about that generation but they can never get behind something positive unless their g-g-g-eneration leads the movement.
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Knowing what we know of the Establishment, I can’t find a reason to argue with him here.
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The death of Roe, preceded by the protection of self defense and followed by the protection of public prayer, leaves no doubt that their has been a sea change in the Supreme Court. The fact that so many black pill losers are bemoaning these victories as meaningless leads me to believe they’re looking for an excuse, any excuse, not to join the fight. Joshua and Caleb are standing right there, yelling at us that God is with us and we can take the land. Jason is carping with the other nine faithless spies that everything is hopeless, we should all just go back to slavery, and by all means kill the disabled children. Because, as the eternal aphorism truly says, Jason is a garbage human being.
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This crap is why Dalrock finally dropped the ban hammer on Jason. Do you know how hard you had to work at it to get Dalrock to ban you?
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Pretty religiously! LOL BTDT
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I seen that ban hammer drop with me own two peepers.
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One approach that states with anti-abortion laws should consider in cases where their residents get abortions out of state is to arrest them upon their return. “You left the state pregnant and now you’re not upon your return? You’re under arrest for infanticide.”
That prospect might convince women considering going out of state for abortions to remain out of state.
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Not going to happen. Not possible.
State A cannot prosecute one of its own citizens for going to State B to do that which is legal in B but illegal in A. Citizen did nothing illegal. State A arresting Citizen on those grounds violates Full Faith and Credit, and possibly Privileges and Immunities and Due Process.
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Whoa there. Leaving the State for an abortion is conspiracy to commit murder, a conspiracy entered into while she was in-State. Done. She can also be viewed as murdering the father’s child. That’ll give the father’s State jurisdiction no matter where the crime happens.
You want precedent? It’s routine for family courts to order feuding parents to not take their children out of the state without the spouse’s permission…
Nothing says the kid must be born first. If she takes her unborn baby out of state without Daddy-the-legal-guardian’s approval, that’s kidnapping.
And so on.
On the flip side, a State could criminalize every woman choosing to reside in the State if she has EVER had an abortion, in ANY jurisdiction. Poof, no more feminists in your State! ANYTHING can be made a crime now. ANYTHING can be taxed. The Plandemic put it ALL on the table. How about a 3% special income tax on women who have ever had an abortion, for life? I have to pay a 3% special income tax just because I don’t purchase health care from Sacramento-endorsed private companies. How about a month in a chastity belt with a mandatory medical evaluation if she’s anonymously accused of having sex outside of marriage? We now have a precedent for that!
Republicans have ALWAYS, even during Roe v. Wade, been able to get rid of abortion overnight. But that would require them to tell women No. “We can’t stop abortion because Roe v. Wade” is now “We can’t stop abortion because she can cross state lines.” Nothing has changed, which makes me as Doomer as Bruce Charlton.
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Gunner:
No. These things just aren’t true. Can’t be done. I’m a lawyer. I studied this stuff. This is right in my wheelhouse.
No. It is not conspiracy. Conspiracy requires agreement between 2 or more people to achieve an illegal end. If she plans the abortion alone, there is no conspiracy because one cannot conspire with oneself.
If the “end” is abortion in a state where abortion is legal, there is no illegal end. The 2 or more persons conspired to achieve a LEGAL end. If there is no illegal end, there is no conspiracy.
Not if she obtained an abortion in a state where abortion is legal.
No. The only state that has jurisdiction is where the crime happened. So if the crime is the abortion or the acts that caused the abortion, then the crime occurred where the procedure was done, not where the father is or lives. Almost all the time, the locus of a homicide is where the body fell.
That’s not criminal law. In family law, the “thing” over which the courts have jurisdiction is the former marriage and the disputes that comprise it. In criminal law, the jurisdictional state is the location where any act comprising the criminal offense occurred.
Maybe. Sort of. But there would have to be general agreement that the fetus is human and has a protectible interest not to be kidnapped. We don’t have those laws in effect now.
No. Passing laws to make past conduct illegal and then prosecuting someone for what was legal then but is now illegal, is unconstitutional on its face. Those are called ex post facto laws and there is a specific federal constitutional provision that prohibits them.
No we don’t. I think you’re just illustrating absurdity by being absurd now.
This, I agree with. It would have required Republicans and conservatives to sack up. They didn’t. Amy Coney Barrett has bigger balls than most conservatives. And Clarence Thomas has the biggest balls of them all. Thomas actually went there in his concurrence — he called Griswold’s “zone of privacy” and substantive due process into question. That’s what’s got the commielibs in a tizzy right now.
A lot has changed. States can now make their own policies on abortion. This is a good thing. This is exactly what I’ve been saying for years now should be happening. This is less a victory for abortion foes and much more a victory for federalists. Abortion should be a local and state law matter. It is the job of the states, not the feds, to regulate the “health, safety, welfare, and morals of the people.”
If all manner of adult sexual conduct falls under a “zone of privacy”, then literally everything is potentially in that zone of privacy. P3doph!l!a? “It’s private.” Assisted suicide? “Private.” Denying children needed medical care? “Private.” Bestiality? “Private.” Prostitution and soliciting prostitution? “Private.” Polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, marriage between 3, 4, or 10 people? “Private.” Marriage between one person and her dog? “Private.” Recreational drug use? “Private.”
Where do we draw the line? Is there a line? Increasingly, liberals and radicals are telling us, “No, there is no line” and so we as a society must tolerate — and pay for — everything. No. No, this cannot stand. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
There is no “zone of privacy” in the constitution. There is no right of privacy in the constitution. I am beginning to understand the wisdom of not having included such a right in a federal constitution — it’s because the states were expected to deal with these things. It’s because it was understood these were matters of people’s overall health, safety, welfare, and morals, and because the states were better equipped to legislate for these things locally. It’s also because the America of 1789 was much more local and much less individualistic and materialistic than the America of 2022. At some point, our society must, MUST, get back to interconnectedness and away from being 300 million little autonomous self-governing entities with absolutely no sense of obligation at all even to be courteous to one another.
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Duly nominated for Σ Frame’s Man of the Year award.
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I would also have to say that it is because the federal constitution was designed for a moral people. It was designed for the self governance of a majority Christian nation living, in general, according to biblical Christian morality. A huge part of why we have gone into failure and collapse now is because the United States is a post-Christian nation. This country abandoned its base Christian morals long before I was born and it’s been downhill ever since.
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Franklin’s reported quip, “A republic, if you can keep it” comes to mind.
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I never lived in a country where there wasn’t legal hardcore pornography and legal abortion as birth control. My parents are 20 years older than me. The nation of their youth was imperfect but better than mine.
The 80s were better than now but still FUBAR if you think about it.
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Re: slavery. The American Civil War is often thought of as a continuation of the English Civil War.
Same as now you have two factions of white people fighting over various things.
The immediate cause was the right of secession which wasn’t disputed by the southern states when New England considered it in the early 19th century.
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Dennis Prager states that the hook up culture may diminish in states where abortion is illegal.
ttps://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2022/06/28/supreme-court-decision-may-force-young-women-to-confront-sexual-reality-n2609422
We’ve bemoaned the sexual marketplace and the various ways it destroys marriage for years. Now a chief deterrent of fornication for women, unwanted pregnancy, is back in a number of states. In the risk management work we recognize that when someone is insulated from the negative consequences of risk it can lead to people taking on more risky behaviors. This is known as a moral hazard.
John Lott has pointed the function of abortion creating a moral hazard for people. Here’s one of multiple times he’s written on the topic. This supports Prager’s opinions on cause and effect.
https://www.foxnews.com/story/john-lott-the-big-picture-behind-abortion
Let me connect the longer term dots for those who think that political realities are going to come back and bite us. If we pick up the fight at the state and local level and make abortion illegal or at least very difficult to obtain in each of our respective states here are some trends that will happen over the coming decades.
Women have been shielded from the consequences of their choices for decades. Now in about half the states, women have to think about their sexual choices and this is especially true of women who are less established. Those in still in school or brand new in their careers will not yet have the resources to handle being single mothers and are now less likely to be able to conceal pregnancy from family and friends.
The pain that is necessary to drive behavioral change is a very good thing and it is coming.
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These are good things to point out, RPA. No one has ever accused me of being Pollyanna about anything, and even I can see that this is decision is a good thing and should be acknowledged as such.
We should be thanking God first and foremost that fewer babies will be ripped apart in the womb, and secondarily that many women and men will have to act in more circumspect ways when it comes to sex and relationships.
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The Washington Post lamented how a girl in Texas changed her mind about aborting her twins because of the new restrictions there (this was before Roe was overturned). She ended up marrying the father. I hope it turns out well. Either way, there will be many thousands of stories like this. Yes, some will go to other states on the company dime or paid for by generous child-killing types, but many will not. I hope more women give up children for adoption rather than raise them as single mothers. And the “sex strike” threats, however empty they are, are a sign that women will be more cautious about hookups. Yeah, it is still a fallen world, but overturning Roe is a great thing to celebrate.
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This “keeping the knees together prior to marriage” would be a good thing for all of us. Anything we can do as a society to cut down on hook-up culture, however incremental, would be worthwhile. Yes, many will say you can’t put the genie back in the bottle and a “return to the 50s” morality is futile, I get that; however, if any of the previous societal guard rails can be repaired and restored to at least a somewhat workable fashion, it might be worth the effort. The abortion ruling is a step in that direction, however imperfect a step it might be.
I can’t help thinking about the Biblical story where Nehemiah rebuilt the walls around Jerusalem after the Jews returned from Babylon and spent decades wall-less. It seemed like Nehemiah could have spent time doing other things administrating Jerusalem besides the difficult job of getting walls rebuilt, but it proved to be a worthwhile decision despite the obstacles and the virulent opposition from Sanballat and company. Maybe a metaphor for today’s efforts, I don’t know.
Coincidentally, I was just looking at some pictures of my hometown where I grew up that I left 40 years ago. Some of the pictures were taken during my childhood in the late 60s. There were several pictures of teenagers at a McDonald’s, like a bunch of teens hanging outside sitting along the curbside because it was up the street from the High School and they’d go there for lunch. What struck me was the dress and mannerisms evident in the picture. I know that some of them were probably having sex, you know the old back seat of the Chevy trope, but what struck me was how masculine the men appeared in dress and way they appeared to be carrying themselves; and for the females, how feminine and conservatively they were dressed, many of them wearing dresses. And, it was definitely a co-ed setting in that boys were sitting besides girls, not in separate clusters like they do now, afraid to even talk or approach one another. Johnny and Janey were definitely getting to know one another, eating and FLIRTING all at the same time, but I digress.
My point: There were societal guard rails in place back then that seemed to curtail the “leg spreading.” Were legs getting spread? Of course they were; however, it did NOT have overtones of what we now know as hook-up culture. I’ll bet anything the girl’s body counts were low, many probably still virgins. The “promiscuous ones,” had one or two D’s at the most from their first boyfriends. Sure there was the town bicycle somewhere around, but there would have probably been only a couple of bikes in town (the High School) at best. Those girls were not running around with double digit body counts by the time they were twenty years old.
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Now if only the Duluth Model, No-Fault Divorce and the way Child Support works is repealed.
Then we are truly back. Legally at least.
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I think that is exactly what we are now experiencing with high gas prices, mask mandates, inflation, etc. The intent is to implement behavioral change so we get used to driving less (high gas prices and less money to spend on gas due to inflation) so the “green new deal” or “great reset” can be ushered in.
We are being conditioned to be satisfied with the new norm.
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I don’t know, RPA. I skimmed over Prager’s article. He includes a lot of quotes from women threatening a sex strike. Here’s one such quote:
Did you note that? “Including our husbands”. How exactly is this different from the status quo? Any man whose wife says that should file for immediate divorce.
This should show us just what women think of today’s men — “including their husbands”. This has caused all out war between women and men, with women now acting as aggressors.
There won’t be any “pain” for women. The only way this is going to change is, as TFM says, “take women’s rights away”. I cannot believe I’m actually saying this, but I think he’s right. Women disrespect men, which is causing men to hate women.
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Pre-Dobbs, we ALREADY had women refusing sex to their husbands.
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thedeti – Women, being the more emotional of the 2 sexes, are reacting emotionally to Roe being overturned. This is one of the key takeaways from the quotes in Prager’s article. It helps that the media is trying to stoke fear in light of the election coming up. The fear of not being able to kill your baby in the future, even if your state still allows it in some form, is enough to change behavior.
We witness a similar phenomenon in economics with the emotions around recessions. The uncertainty (risk) people feel about the economy causes them to tighten their spending even if their jobs are secure. Future uncertainty has the effect of making people more conservative with their present choices.
Removing the federal level guarantee that abortion would be available absolutely removes a safety blanket that all women of reproductive age have had baked into their reproductive worldview cake. That these women’s activist mothers are screeching about the horrors of a world without abortion, back alley wire hanger hack jobs and all, only serve to stoke the fear and uncertainty a woman faces should she engage in activities that may cause her to become unintentionally preggers.
Fear and uncertainty change behavior, which is why we’ll see a drop in both abortions and unwed pregnancies. These are the exact stats that increased after the Roe decision in 1973 and they will decrease now, although probably not in proportion to the increase 50 years ago due to the degradation of our society.
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Long-winded comment warning:
Thinking about the pile on of Lastmod/Jason and I don’t think he is a garbage human being. That is needlessly harsh. Like most postmoderns (including many professed Christian believers), he is a materialist. To add to that, he has acute memories of the pain and hardship his own family endured with a special needs child. If there is one thing we postmoderns don’t like (I include myself in this), it’s even the thought of sacrifice, discomfort, suffering, or doing without.
Abortion has been convincingly sold as a harmless procedure in which the child is (1) not fully human, and (2) is “better off” not being born into less than ideal circumstances or hardship. Of course, it seems better to terminate the pregnancy if the child has a defect. It’s a quote “victimless” procedure. No one stops to think about the larger implications.
For example, Iceland touts the fact that they have “nearly eradicated Down’s Syndrome”. Now how did they do that, and why haven’t they shared the cure with the rest of the world? Oh, they haven’t found a cure:
When you think about this in terms of one family’s, one child’s difficult life it’s easy to shrug off these abortions. But take a look at that little Icelandic child in the article. Now imagine that however many thousands of little girls like that were killed in utero because they weren’t going to be born perfect. These are innocent children being murdered (and murder of innocents is no way equivalent to the killing in warfare).
Lastly, if the argument is that the expense and suffering involved in caring for a child who has a possibly defect justifies abortion, how do we justify keeping the elderly around when the trouble of caring for them is expensive and burdensome? I have an autistic nephew in his late 20s who will never live on his own. His parents will always have to care for him to some degree. Why should he be allowed to live and be a burden to his family? There is no pre-screening for autism, after all. So depending on the severity of the case, why not allow the child’s life to be terminated after birth? I can tell you, the medical bills racked up for him too!
If we have learned anything by now, we should have learned that the slippery slope is not a fallacy. Once we decide that the burden of caring for the sick and suffering justifies snuffing out their life in the womb, it’s a very short leap to snuffing their lives outside the womb.
These are people, living souls created by God.
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Agree about Jason. He handled it on his video as I hope I would, that is, not trying to justify myself. The depth of what Jason brought up isn’t well suited for short blog posts though. He is right, more affliction and suffering came his way and to his parents (and to his brother), because his brother was born, but it is beyond my ability to unpack that in this post. That being said, I agree with Bruce Charlton’s warning, and with Oscar, gotta celebrate a win, and it is better that Roe is gone.
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My older brother is mentally disabled. He’ll never live independently. As the oldest healthy son, I knew the responsibility for him would fall to me.
When I was in my 20s, I told my mom not to worry. I would take care of him.
When my wife and I were dating, I told her that someday, my brother would live with me, and if she wanted to marry me, she needed to agree to that. I was 27, and she was 21.
Today, my brother lives with me. My kids throw him birthday parties, and make birthday cards for him. He gets to be part of a real family.
Living a life of obligation to others — starting with family — doesn’t sound like fun, and oftentimes it isn’t. But it’s a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
So, dear reader, if you want to end up like Jason — bitter, angry, and lonely — then live like Jason.
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I worked with a man who also had a brother who couldn’t live independently, but otherwise he was physically healthy. So he lived with him. He never got married, but his sister did get married and moved out. I don’t know whether he remained single because of his brother or there may have been other reasons.
Nevertheless, he mentioned that social services would literally “throw all kinds of money at him” to take care of his brother otherwise, I suppose, his brother would have to be institutionalized. By his own admission, there was an extremely strong financial incentive to take care of his brother and there wasn’t that much work required. As a result, he had plenty of money to spend at casinos, etc. with friends.
Jason’s situation was entirely different. Jason’s family was under constant financial duress, facing bankruptcy and probably was in “over their heads” regarding their ability to take care of his brother. In Jason’s situation it may have been more appropriate if his brother were institutionalized. I can’t see how any Christian could possibly fault them if that option were available. I don’t know why it wasn’t available or, if it was, why they didn’t take it. Anyway, the path the family took seemed to place a tremendous amount of strain on Jason which we see in his posts.
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My family and I are Immigrants, and we were dirt poor for decades. Far worse off than Jason’s family. There was no financial incentive to take care of my brother, and he has all kinds of health issues.
Seriously, quit making excuses for Jason’s immorality. He’s perfectly capable of making excuses for himself. He does it incessantly, which is part of the reason his life turned out the way it did.
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Very good.
If there was any hope of me coming back to the faith, well… that verse in Timothy proves I never can. They’re all dead. Mom, dad, brother. Can’t make amends for that.
Take care all. There is nothing here for me on this page. I stayed not for “excuses” or “sympathy” cause I never got it here (or anywhere) I was still hoping for a convincing reason. Something. An ounce of hope.
And there is none. For me anyway.
So the only solution, really, is to “take it as a verse of a made up story” (the bible) and get on with my life.
My parents were immigrants too Oscar, and I did study to be a school teacher (special education), and I do know that with Mental Retardation the nuances are great between every person of what they can or cannot do.
I take leave. Jack I appreciate some of the insight you gave. Scott was a person that actually met me and took me for what I was…… and what I could be. I guess you could say his Christianity was touching to me. He said a lot without saying much.
Others of you. Thanks for everything or nothing.
This piece of garbage has maybe 10 to 20 years if I am lucky. If any of you find yourself in California, drop a line.
Bye 🙂
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According to you, your parents sent you to a private boarding school. My parents could have never done anything like that.
According to you, you graduated from a private college. I used the GI Bill to attend community college, then public university.
According to you, you were making 6 figures at IBM in the ’90s, when I was picking fruit and shoveling cow crap for less than minimum wage.
Remember that bonus you said you got at IBM? If you’d invested it, you’d be a millionaire today.
According to you, you were handed every opportunity to succeed, and you pissed it all away.
Remember kids, if you want to end up like Jason, live like Jason.
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