The intermediate goal is to get past the blinding obsession

Faith, Fellowship, Purpose, and Inner Game helps.

Readership: Men
Theme: Overcoming Obstacles
Length: 1,200 words
Reading Time: 4 minutes

About Adam’s Podcast

Adam Piggott and Scott Klajic recorded a podcast that addresses many of the topics we’ve covered this month, especially those contained in the following posts and the resulting discussions.

The podcast can be found here.

The thing I find interesting about Adam’s podcasts with Scott is that, “Hey, here’s a Catholic dude and an Orthodox guy, they have different nationalities and a totally different walk of life, and they agree on 90% of stuff and get along just fine.” It’s an encouragement of faith. They can also be funny at times.

In response to this podcast, I want to reemphasize a running point that may have gotten lost among all the words that have appeared on Σ Frame this month. (Remember, the theme is Overcoming Obstacles!)

The intermediate goal is to get past the blinding obsession with women and sex.

Men must deal with whatever personal issues they may have with the “woman question” and somehow adapt/adjust their desires for a wife, sex, marriage, and/or having children into a larger purpose. Here, I’ll repeat two noteworthy lines from the podcast,

Scott (32:45): “If you don’t master your passions, your passions will master you.”

Adam (39:37): These guys who are spending their time agonizing over [how to get the] chicks are buying into the trap of the system. They’re completely being sucked in. They don’t understand that the answer to their problems is not how to get the chicks. The answer to their problems is how to step outside their conditioning and start beginning the process of really developing themselves as a man, and discovering what you can do — not who you are — chicks discover who they are — men make themselves. […] If you’re sitting around agonizing about how to get the girls, you’re basically one of the girls!

For some men, this might mean (as Adam said in the podcast) to forget about women altogether. For other men, it would mean they need to pull their Game together and establish Headship in their relationships. For all men, it means to get serious about overcoming one’s personal obstacles and making progress on one’s mission.

Listeners might object to the unempathic tone of Adam’s podcast, since both Adam and Scott come from the perspective of not really having any trouble with women. Adam tends to disparage the whole idea of continuing to talk about how to attract women. But their overall point about the need to look beyond the wimmin/sex question is a good one for all men to hear.

As for me personally, I am right on the threshold of the proverbial top 20%. When I work out and dress sharp, I’ll get IOIs from random strangers every day, young and old, at church, on the train, waiting at the bus stop, walking across town… There have been periods of my life when I could regularly expect picking up a phone number every time I left the house. But… if I don’t work out, or don’t get enough rest, etc., then my Meet Cute Mojo™ disappears and then I’m just a regular guy. So I know both sides of the experience. In the past, my biggest problems with women was that I was very Blue Pill naive, religiously conscientious, and never developed any Game until late in life (late 30s to early 40s).

A little about Game

DS holds the view that Game is of the flesh. I did too when I was younger, and I totally eschewed all Game as prideful and worldly. Needless to say, I didn’t have any Game in my younger years, and those who did didn’t like me very much. But after being married for a while, and then coming across the descriptions of and arguments about Game on the Manosphere, I opened up my views and gained a new appreciation of Game. I began to view Game itself as an expression of charisma (although one that is often misused and abused). I developed a revised understanding of the place and value of Game. My view on Game now is that it makes all of life go a lot smoother because it’s easier to display social graces and convey common forms of love and grace to others which can then be received as such. To some extent, embracing Game was a solution to my own “woman question”, many of my marital troubles, and resolving some of my Inner Game issues, some of which were related to my faith. I don’t really have much problem with women any more.

About why I still cover issues with women

First of all, Scott and I both have a passion for helping younger people find a better path to marriage. I believe there are younger Christian men out there (and women too) who want to marry and have a family, but like me, they’ve had too much exposure to the sexualization of everything in the culture, and too much Blue Pill exposure in church, and it’s totally messed up their Inner Game and their ability to deal with women.

Another reason is because I can empathize with men, especially younger Christian men, who find it nearly impossible to deal with being a sexually virile male (e.g. identifying cultural lies, living with a supercharged libido, resisting temptation, developing social efficacy, finding one’s purpose, enacting agency, etc.). I recognize the importance of helping men navigate the sex drenched (or sex parched, DOYV) SMP, and the wastelands of modern marriage. As Scott quoted Dalrock (?) in the podcast (at 9:30), “Saving the seeds of civilization while the fire rushes over the forest.”

Third, there needs to be a forum where Christian men can discuss these issues. The targeted audience is very small, but the message is critically important to them. Right now, I think Σ Frame, Christianity and Masculinity, and RPChristians may be the only Christian Manosphere sites that concentrate on building/maintaining intersexual relationships and present it as a potential positive.

What else is out there for men? Churchianity? Wokeism? Progressivism? Marxism? Red Pill is fading out and taking on the reputation as a Gen X stint. Just about everything on YouTube and the internet is either Blue Pill or Black Pill, which offers very little transferrable knowledge to those guys in the way of establishing a satisfying, God glorifying marriage relationship.

I’ve had such a wide spectrum of experiences with women, wrestling with religiosity, and dealing with Inner Game issues that I feel like I need to put everything together and share what I’ve learned — maybe Millennials won’t appreciate it, but I think Gen Z on will. I mean, what are we passing on to the next generation? I hope it’s something more than jaded cynicism about women and marriage, or “enjoy the decline”, or “forget about women altogether.” Even if men actually DO need to forget about women, we need to elaborate on the whys and hows, so that they can process their confusion, develop faith, and get over the obsession.

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89 Responses to The intermediate goal is to get past the blinding obsession

  1. Lastmod says:

    Morning tea, bacon, getting ready for work. Listening to this podcast. From two men who never had to “practice” game or develop it. From two men who never “really” had a problem of finding, dating, having women interested in them, and even bedding them……….

    Telling men who DO have these troubles (probably younger men) about the whole inner passion for life thing. “…discovering what you can do…” Who at 18 knows what they can do? ….and throw this into the ethereal sense of…… “as a Man”.

    Game and these pages tell us men can only work in STEM, and have manly pursuits (like bedding women).

    I am still listening to it, and I do find it entertaining, and I can see I am a lost cause.

    As for Gen Z, they are more woke than the Millennials. Remember when Rush Limabaugh, Michael Savage, and Hannity were telling us twenty years ago (paraphrasing), “This new generation coming of age, they watched those men rush into the WTC to rescue all those people, knowing they would die! That’s bravery! That’s an example! This generation is Conservative, and loves America!”

    See how THAT turned out? They seem to be even more helpless…. and the ones that are aware lean Black Pill and MGTOW. If the church and the Red Pill (Rollo and his slavish followers) actually did something other than just posture and STILL make everything about getting sex……. maybe Red Pill could have been something.

    Anyway….. I am enjoying the podcast for the most part, knowing it really doesn’t pertain to me.

    The sphere cannot, even still, after twenty years, agree on what “game” is or isn’t, and THAT is making men look like women.

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    • cameron232 says:

      My kids are GenZ and they have enough friends that I think I can speak to this. GenZ is REALLY polarized. Boys vs. girls and obviously some intersex division. A subset of the boys are REALLY reactionary. And those that aren’t are very lefty. The girls are mostly lefty/woke.

      So there’s this minority of men who are very anti-woke. No idea what they’re going to do since they’re in the minority. You need women on board to build and/or maintain a society.

      I met a lovely young Catholic bride with a newborn yesterday. Very demure/feminine. She was Mexican I think. I don’t think going to 2nd world countries is a perfect solution, but I think in many cases there are more marriageable women there. I have been around a lot of women of Laos-refugee ancestry recently. They are not perfect but of higher general quality (more feminine) than American white and black women (in general).

      So this isn’t, “the solution to your problem is Eastern European/Asian women.” It’s just an observation that American women aren’t good quality. Neither are American men for that matter. Our culture sucks.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Cameron,

        “So there’s this minority of men who are very anti-woke. No idea what they’re going to do since they’re in the minority. You need women on board to build and/or maintain a society.”

        The anti-woke men are going to tell the woke women what to do and some of those work women will end up doing what they are told and actually like it. They won’t understand why they like it, but they will because God made them that way. That will be good enough.

        There are no perfect women nor perfect cultures because there never have been. There are only ways to tilt the odds more in a man’s favor compared to if he did nothing.

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      • cameron232 says:

        I hope you’re right bud!

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Cameron – There is a line of biblical and human history of people bemoaning circumstances and God working as He works. Palm Sunday and Easter are a one-week microcosm of what I’m talking about. The people thought Christ would be their political savior when he’s bringing much more drastic change than merely a political change, but usually the time reference God has in mind is much longer. Egypt, the desert, clearing the promised land, Babylonian captivity, and Roman rule are just a few examples of people living through tough earthly circumstances while God continued to work.

        Marriage is God’s holy institution. He created it. He made laws about it. For reasons unknown to us, He’s chosen to perpetuate His kingdom through marriage and family. He’s likely reserved men and women of our children’s generation for His kingdom to have God honoring marriages, because that is what He has done in the past and most likely it will be men that will lead women into them because that is the role God gave men. We get in trouble when we as men lose focus and start supplicating to women.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Red Pill Apostle says,

        “The anti-woke men are going to tell the woke women what to do and some of those work women will end up doing what they are told and actually like it.”

        In addition, I hope we won’t tolerate any wokeness in private. Wokeness may dominate the public sphere but we should allow it no private space at all.

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  2. thedeti says:

    “Red Pill is fading out and taking on the reputation as a Gen X stint. Just about everything on YouTube and the internet is either Blue Pill or Black Pill, which offers very little transferrable knowledge to those guys in the way of establishing a satisfying, God glorifying marriage relationship.”

    Red Pill/game/self improvement was for men who had a base to work with. The Average Frustrated Chump. Guys who could get things started with women but couldn’t keep them going.

    The problem now is that men in the Milennials, Gen Z, iGen, etc. didn’t get a base to work with. No one helped them with it, no on taught them, no one showed them anything.

    The flip side of the problem was that GenX women still had a foundation of relationship skills and attraction to work with and their expectations weren’t as ridiculous as they are now.

    On both sides, with both men and women of GenX, it was mainly because we came up pre-internet. We still remember The Time Before The Internet where you had no choice but to get out there and at least try to develop some skills. Men had more Game. Women were more ‘forgiving’, as it were. GenX also had the most crap to deal with. We were at the very leading edge of the transition to hookup, and we were doing so with herpes (for the first time, an incurable STD) and HIV/AIDS (for the first time, sex could kill you). The extent to which HIV/AIDS put a damper on sexual relationships simply cannot be overstated.

    But Millennials, GenZ, and now iGen have to deal with women’s expectations in the stratosphere, where 90%+ of women have had casual sex, and where more and more men are simply getting left behind because there is no way they can compete in these sexual and relationship markets. As a GenXer, I could at least compete. These men can’t — they don’t have the raw sex appeal and raw attractiveness it takes to compete. They simply don’t.

    So maybe Adam and Scott are right, that there’s no point in talking about these things anymore, and we should just stop talking about “how to get the girls”.

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    • thedeti says:

      What’s happened now is we have rafts of men who don’t even have basic building blocks of masculinity. They don’t have even the raw materials. They have to learn how to “be men”, so to speak. For those men, I recommend Free Northerner’s Omega’s Guide to help men learn how to “man”; help them learn how to be men. Very basic self improvement stuff.

      As for women, I’ve heard and read similar complaints that young women don’t know how to “girl”. They don’t know how to be feminine. They don’t know how to conduct themselves as women. I’ve had a lot to say about that in years past. No sense repeating it or summarizing it here.

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      • feeriker says:

        In other words, the Satanic forces that rule over us today and whose goal since Day One has been the destruction of human civilization through destruction of the natural bonds between the two sexes have succeeded in their evil quest beyond their wildest dreams.

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    • Lastmod says:

      When GenX women hit their late twenties and rolled into their thirties, most became insufferable, especially in urban areas (e.g. the Sex in the City TV show), New York City, San Francisco, Washington DC, Los Angeles. Every average (and below average woman) honestly believed hawt guys were within her reach. The Sex in the City show was a catalyst, not the cause of course….

      I remember when a polite “no” was once used on a guy like me asking for a number or a date, but starting in the late 90s and through the naughts, nuclear rejections became the norm for me.

      “I had to be my own “best friend”…” That’s great for 1970’s Boomer / Silent Generation parents to say to their GenX children, but it didn’t help me any. It’s like telling a seven year old to “take it like a man”.

      As if.

      Game did work in a sense if you and the base agreed. If you didn’t? Then you’re told, “You just don’t want to put in the work.” “You must like being a beta.”

      I don’t have the answer…. then or now. But yes, young guys need to find what they like to do, and do it better. However, it’s one thing to have a STEM degree that adds to your life, and another thing to be miserable in that field.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “As a GenXer, I could at least compete. These men can’t – they don’t have the raw sex appeal and raw attractiveness it takes to compete. They simply don’t.”

      As an older man, a casual observer of the sexes today, I can clearly see the line that divides the “haves” from the “have not’s” with the young men. When I’m working out at the gym and observing today’s youth, I’d say 9 times out of 10, when I see a young guy working out with a girl alongside of him (trailing along side of him is a better description), the young guy is a top 20% male in the LOOKS department, to include his physique.

      Every once and a while I see a bottom 80% male with a girl (I hate that term btw, however everyone in the ‘Sphere seems to use it), and it causes me to do a double-take because it is so unusual. When I was their age, it was not unusual to see a “bottom 80%” male with a girlfriend tagging along; because being pre-Internet, it seemed men and women paired up pretty much in line with the 1-10 scale. So you’d see a 5 male with a 5 female, a 6 with a 6, and so on.

      Now, it seems it is only the 8-10 guys that have a girl trailing alongside of him, and she’s typically a 7 to 8 female. The no-kidding Chad’s and Tyrone’s at the gym all have a Stacy or Amber tagging along when they have a female in their wake.

      I have to say, LastMod has a point in his various posts he’s made, that it is going to be difficult for the “lower 80%” of men to get a girlfriend; not impossible, but difficult given this current SMP. I can’t read minds, but I bet the gym women I see, from the 6s to 9s, won’t give the average male the time of day. Why? Not because it is a Manosphere Trope or something, but because of the way the women are dressed (just this side of nude) and the aura they’re giving off. Again, it is a ‘Sphere cliche that the ladies have elevated standards, but the women do occur to me as really only interested in THAT GUY. No male other than THAT GUY will do. BTW, I know immediately when I see him, and you can bet, he immediately comes up on all the ladies radar screens as THAT GUY.

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      • cameron232 says:

        RPB, I would assume a lot of ladies at the gym are sluts who are chasing Chad and Tyrone. Not good pickings for a young man.

        Did you see my comment a few threads ago about the young people at work? I work with several young men who I guarantee aren’t in the top 80% in terms of visceral attractiveness who have nice looking wives. None of these men are alpha dominant either. One is at least a little big goobery – he has a cute (not great looking) Asian wife.

        Some of their wives are downright hot IMO. Now I may have old dude standards but I can’t imagine an average guy would be unhappy with them and if he is that’s his fault for having unrealistic standards.

        Here’s the common thread: these men all have pretty good jobs.

        Respect to Jason, but it isn’t true that you have to be top 80% these days to get a girlfriend or wife. That’s too black pill. I see the truth every day at work.

        Now to Deti’s general points. These may be low sex marriages. They may not be happy marriages (long term). They may not last – who knows.

        Let’s not be any more black pilled than is necessary. For the young men reading.

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  3. Scott says:

    I was looking back through my very old emails. The quote from Dalrock was in a private conversation we had in 2014.

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  4. Bardelys the Magnificent says:

    The major undercurrent of our problem is this: it’s not supposed to be this hard. Yes, men need to improve themselves, but we’re hardwired to do that so that’s not really the issue. At no other time in human history has the floor been set so high just to get a woman’s attention. It’s supposed to happen naturally, and men are left confused, angry, and despondent because deep down we know that women are the problem here. The sheer amount of effort required is no longer worth it, and we men see the long-term societal effects but are powerless ATM to change it. Telling us to “forget women” is asking us to override thousands of years of biological hardwiring. Except for the exceptional, this ain’t gonna work. Most men see that their bloodlines are going to die with them, and there’s not much they can do about it. They don’t even get to die as heroes for their sacrifice.

    The Church could appeal to their salvation, but Evangelicals are cucks and the fake pope is trying to eliminate the Latin mass. Men are going to have to crawl out of this individually, as all the societal doors have been locked. Most will fail. It’s not going to be pretty. We’ll have to leave the women to their own devices, which is also going against our biology.

    We need to find a way to package this as a way men can win. Telling men to forget women feels like losing. That’s why Red Pill is dying: we’ve figured out women and their game and came to the conclusion that they’re monsters and you can’t win. Nobody is going to play a rigged game. If Adam et al. can tell us why giving up our biology and bloodlines is a winning play, it would sell like hotcakes. It’s a market ripe for the picking.

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    • cameron232 says:

      “…the fake pope is trying to eliminate the Latin mass…”

      Go to a TLM Oratory. The one we attend has TONS of large families, lots of young ladies who dress modestly including covering their heads with the mantilla every Sunday. Tons of them. Christ didn’t die for us to get a good wife, but from what I can tell, the Oratories are as good a place to look for a wife as any.

      P.S. The Oratory is stable, structurally — the bishops can’t do a lot about them. They still have to follow canon law.

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      • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

        I go to a church that offers the TLM, as well as a Latinized Novus Ordo. Francis is still pushing bishops to do away with it where they can. We just had a pre-synodal meeting with our bishop last week begging him to keep the TLM. However, he stressed that we must be obedient to Rome. Reading between the lines, we’re going to have the fight of our lives to keep it. There is a new SSPX that opened in the same town, and it’s growing. That has not escaped our bishop and priests, and many said they would go there if the fake pope does away with the TLM. We’ll see.

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      • cameron232 says:

        With respect, I’d just move. I just quit my job and did it. I know it’s hard. A lot of people are doing it. I would be more specific about my location but I want to be semi-anonymous. Look for the exclusive TLM parishes. FSSP and ICKSP. There are a few ones approved by a specific bishop: Covington, Huntsville, Charlestown West Virginia, Tampa, etc. La Crosse has a very nice church establshed by Cardinal Burke.

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      • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

        I already drive 25 minutes out of my way for this one. There isn’t another one closer. The parish is good, and the bishop knows it’s working. He may just have his hands tied with “obedience” to Rome. No different than anywhere else.

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      • cameron232 says:

        As far as I know it’s now out of the hands of the parish priest and now up to the bishop. If your bishop is ok with it then you’re good. This is based on my initial understanding and I haven’t kept up with this. We attended a personal ordinariate (former Anglican) and now attend an Oratory.

        It depends on your bishop e.g. I think the Little Rock diocese immediately forbid the TLM at all parishes except the personal parishes in Little Rock and Springdale.

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      • Oscar says:

        “With respect, I’d just move. I just quit my job and did it. I know it’s hard. A lot of people are doing it.”

        I’ve been saying this for years. Glad to see others are catching on.

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    • cameron232 says:

      A TLM personal parish is a good choice too. For example, the bishop of Covington, KY established one a few years ago.

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    • Scott says:

      The Divine Liturgies of St John Chrysostom and Basil the Great are alive and well in the east.

      I’m just saying.

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      • cameron232 says:

        You can get Eastern liturgy at an Eastern Rite Catholic parish. Just sayin’…

        Just bustin’ your chops man. I love me some Eastern Orthodox. A lot of stuff going for you guys. You don’t have to have discussions about whether Benedict’s resignation was valid.

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    • Oscar says:

      “At no other time in human history has the floor been set so high just to get a woman’s attention.”

      That’s false. Throughout most of history, in the Middle East only 18% of men reproduced, because of polygamy. If you wanted a wife, you had to go to war, survive the war, win the war, and drag an unwilling woman back with you, understanding that the king, noblemen and officers took all the best women for themselves, even though they already had wives and concubines back home.

      Are things more difficult today than 50 years ago in the US? Yes. But they’re a lot better than most of history. Indulging in the black pill is counterproductive.

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  5. Devon70 says:

    Conditioning has become more important as American women have become more unattractive. Most American women can’t even maintain a healthy weight in addition to the tattoos, green hair, and piercings everywhere. When I go into Wal-Mart and see the women in there I don’t think about sex. I think about throwing up.

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    • cameron232 says:

      When I go to a public park with my kids I have the same reaction Devon70. Fattie-tatties with green hair. It’s spring so you get to see their stank fat rolls.

      There’s a bunch of them in my new hometown. A bunch of criminals are sent up to the local jail from the big city because of jail overcrowding. They seem to stay after being released at least long enough to impregnate the local landwhales. The lower class local men have some residual standards and won’t have sex with them. The thugs from the city will do anything with a pulse. Makes for such a nice community when landwhale Savannah and Sh!tavious mate and bear offspring.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “When I go into Wal-Mart and see the women in there I don’t think about sex. I think about throwing up.”

      I know exactly what you mean! When I stroll down the aisle headed towards the men’s clothing area, usually looking for workout clothes or something, I pass by rack after rack of pretty, sexy bras displayed along the aisle. I mean all colors and sizes, some with lingerie like patterns. I don’t know much about bras, other than how to remove one, LOL, but they seem to be more appropriate for a Victoria’s Secret store than Walmart. I laugh to myself and joke, “Who are these for?” Certainly not the “Women of Walmart.” And I’ve rarely seen, if ever, Stacy or Amber roaming around in the women’s department. Come to think of it, I haven’t seen Stacy or Amber in Walmart period.

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  6. thedeti says:

    One point from the podcast that deserves amplification:

    An advantage men have over women is that men get an infinite number of “second chances” at their primary missions.

    Women have basically from age 17 to their late 20s to fulfill their basic mission to marry and start reproduction. They get a finite amount of time and one chance (at most two chances) to do this. They have to do it in that time window and they have to get it right. Once that time window elapses, it’s over. There are no second chances.

    By contrast, men’s primary mission of building, creating, making, and inventing and reinventing, can be done many times over, well into his 50s and 60s. A man can fail over and over and over again and get as many “second chances” as he’s willing to look for and take. A man can be zeroed out and start over, and reinvent himself. A man can marry and have children well into his 50s. Yes, he has to work for these things and they are very hard. But men are built for that kind of hard work and have no biological limitations prohibiting them from doing that work.

    For women, if they didn’t get that marriage/reproduction thing done, it’s basically over. All they can do after that is imitate men by working, but not as well, or for as long, or as arduously. They get no more chances. Men get as many chances and “do overs” as they’re willing to take.

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    • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

      This is a good point, and one that men need to remember. Women get one shot to get it right, hence the pickiness. I don’t envy women in this regard. Who they marry has the single biggest impact on their quality of life. Pride and Prejudice illustrates this perfectly. Problem is, women used to have help selecting their mate. Now they have none, and as our ancestors knew, they are notoriously bad at pulling this off successfully. But women are now addicted to the choices they have, and this genie isn’t going back into the bottle without a fight, even if it’s in their best interest to do so.

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      • thedeti says:

        Choice addiction. That’s another problem women have.

        In 1950, a woman was limited to the men she knew from family, school, work, or friends. Those men usually lived within a 20 mile radius. She also had to meet men in person before making choices about them. Almost all these men came prescreened because she knew them through someone else or through some commonality they shared. If she really wanted choice she moved to the Big City, but she was still limited by time, geography, and socioeconomic status. She was also subject to moral and social constraints on her sexuality.

        In 2022, her granddaughter needs only an hour and a phone, and can select from among tens of thousands of men she has never met or talked to. She knows literally nothing about these men – no one she knows, knows them. Some live 100 miles away or more. The only screening she can do is through photos and written profiles. There are no time, space, or social limitations whatsoever on her. She can message one of these men and meet him within the hour for whatever she wants, social or sexual. Dating for her is no more complicated than ordering a pizza for delivery. Choosing is “easy” and there are so many choices now.

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      • Jack says:

        deti,

        “Choosing is “easy” and there are so many choices now.”

        Choosing is TOO easy, to the point that it is TOO difficult to choose well. And as Bardelys said, women are notoriously poor pickers. The internet ruined the MMP.

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      • cameron232 says:

        LoL – grandma from the 1950s didn’t have access to and experience with an amateur male pornstar. It’s not one in 10,000 women now that have this.

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      • thedeti says:

        Oh yeah, and in 1950 she probably had some meet cutes in there. As did most of the men she knew.

        At that time most men were on a more even footing with women. In their late teens and early 20s, women have orders of magnitude more marketplace buying power than men do. Women had the natural constraint of unplanned pregnancy. That constraint was augmented with parental guidance and veto power. Women fought tooth and nail to get those constraints removed, and succeeded marvelously. Now, with nothing holding them back, women really think they have a shot at marrying Chadrone. Some women do get to marry Chadrone. Strangely, they all seem to be part of the Manosphere Ladies’ Auxiliary. I have not met a woman in real life who married her Chad. Or, if she did, he turned out to be an “impostor” and she cheated on him or divorced him.

        And meet cutes have gone by the wayside, at least for most men.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Deti, the Manosphere Ladies’ Auxiliary. didn’t marry Chadrone. They did even better. They married Alphabux. Alphabux is rarer than Chadrone.

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      • thedeti says:

        “They did even better. They married Alphabux. Alphabux is rarer than Chadrone.”

        Most of those guys were Chad or Tyrone who transformed themselves later into alphabux. When Elspeth married SAM he was a stone cold BAMF player who had already had a child out of wedlock. It doesn’t get much more Chadrone than that. Mike was a BAMF pilot. Again — Chadrone through and through.

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      • Scott says:

        Chadrone. LOL.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Not sure about young Mike (being in the same Chad league as young SAM from day 1) but I’ve known a lot of fighter pilots and they’re all high value men. Women show him pics of their bikinied asses -so yeah they both have high value males who plenty of other women want. They both keep themselves at a healthy fit weight and have lots of sex with their men . Good chance the relationship isn’t “a lot of hard work” from the man’s perspective either. Rewards of alpha. That’s ok – we’re right wing and don’t believe in equality -some men are better than others. Men just need to know what they’re likely to get and not get before they agree to marry. Honest risk-reward analysis. And whether she’s faking stuff so you’ll put a ring on it. That’s all.

        “Know yourself” as much as “look for IoIs.”

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  7. Lastmod says:

    When my father proposed to my mother, she extended her work visa by a year, moved into a small furnished apartment complex for single women (this was 1964), and worked at the hospital in Schenectady. My dad was living 12 miles over the Mohawk river in an area called Glenville. Some suburban areas but still lots of small family farms. My father was living with his aunt and in lieu of rent he worked as a farm hand on her farm. When my mother visited. My Great Aunt Ida allowed my mother to visit my father’s room. The bedroom door had to be open at all times, and my mother had to be back in her apartment by 9 PM on weeknights and 11 PM on weekends.

    Different times. Upstate NY back then was really different too. It was a cultural chasity belt of sorts on women and it forced a hand on men to commit. “Do you want sex? Then put a ring on it!” Those were times some people would evidently like to go back to…. but would Chads and H0es want this? Nope. It would not fly today in a culture that just wants sex. I’m not real sure many “Red Pill” guys would want this either.

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    • cameron232 says:

      I don’t know if I’m redpill but that world sounds good to me Jason.

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    • feeriker says:

      Those were times some people would evidently like to go back to…. but would Chads and H0es want this? Nope. It would not fly today in a culture that just wants sex. I’m not real sure many “Red Pill” guys would want this either.”

      Much as it pains me, I’ll have to admit that you’re probably right. Matter o’ fact, I think a large sum of money could be safely wagered that most Born Again Christians™ (you know, the one’s always crowing about chastity) wouldn’t want it either, and would fight tooth and nail to prevent such a culture from making a comeback. The carousel is as addictive as cocaine.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Remember too, my dad was 27 at the time. He wasn’t all, “Eff that. You can’t tell me what to do!” There were still conventions and protocols in place, though rapidly changing, that sort of “forced” this. Also, he was still in a “journeyman apprenticeship” working as a farm hand, and pumping gas on the side at Floyd Ladd’s Gas N Go in Schenectady (where he met my mom).

        He also dated a little bit but was not a ladies man. Dad hiked and camped back then on his free time, and skied in winter. His big “adventure” after the USAF stint was saving his money to ski in the Andes in Chile. This was back in 1961. He once said, “I spent three weeks there. Tiny resorts. Basic accomodations. And the trails, peaks, and mountains… You could ski all day back then and maybe see fewer than five people.”

        Something was holding it together, and it wasn’t people being “devout Christians”. There was something else — A HOPE that you could rise to. A confidence that with hard work and some thrift, you actually could have a decent life and the ability to grow and move upward without a college education.

        Anyway…… I’m not saying those times were perfect. Vietnam was racking up… segregation, civil rights… on the cusp of “Great Society”, and the U.S. president was assassinated not even a year before my parents met.

        Today? Most ski resorts anywhere are yuppie resorts… skiing itself has become a side attraction. That includes where I grew up near Lake Placid’s Whiteface Mountain in New York, but also Stowe and Killington in Vermont, Whistler in Canada, and Squaw Valley here in California…

        Today? My mother would be talked out of dating a “loser” like my dad because he didn’t have his life mission, purpose and masculine pursuits all down and mastered.

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      • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

        “The carousel is as addictive as cocaine.”

        Women actually hate the carousel, after a while. There’s a part of them that knows what it does to them. But in the modern climate, it’s the only way they can get Chad. There’s simply no other strategy that will work. Except it doesn’t work, and everyone knows it. Puts them in a bind. The real problem is that they can’t “lower” themselves to men on their level. That would solve everything, but they can’t do it. That’s why I say improving as men is great, but it’s not going to solve the problem. It’s them, not us.

        TL;DR: Women secretly despise the carousel but would rather play the lottery and hope against all hope of hitting the jackpot than settle for Joe the Plumber.

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      • Jack says:

        “Women actually hate the carousel, after a while. There’s a part of them that knows what it does to them.”

        This is one reason why women write “No hookups!” on their OLD profiles. If you see this on a profile, it’s a red flag indicating that she’s already burned out from the CC. Ironically, hookups are all they get at that stage of the game.

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      • Scott says:

        When I was in graduate school, I had an online date and over dinner the girl told me she was pregnant from a recent ONS and told me she didn’t want a hook up. No kidding.

        In my mind I was kind of like, “That’s weird because you seem kind of like the hook up type.”

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      • thedeti says:

        Most professing female Christians wouldn’t either. Most women who have professed faith want the carousel to be there even if they aren’t riding right now. They either have ridden and want the option to go back; or haven’t ridden and want the option to try it out.

        They – and most Christians – have similar attitudes toward abortion. Abortion’s bad, but it needs to be there as an option “just in case”. We need the abortion “safety valve” just in case one of us “makes a mistake”. We can have the abortion and then repent and promise not to do it again.

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        No one ever gets rid of safety nets either. They become ironclad incentives.

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      • Jack says:

        “No one ever gets rid of safety nets either. They become ironclad incentives.”

        Yes, deti also mentioned that there are good incentives/motivations and bad incentives/motivations. Safety nets are a broad category of bad incentives. In case readers are wondering how a safety net can be a bad incentive, a prime example can be found in Red Pill Apostle’s post about how pro-abortion laws act as an incentive for more abortions AND more OOW births!

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      • thedeti says:

        Feeriker, you remember discussions about “carousel watchers” over at Spawny’s years ago, right? There’s girls riding the carousel. But remember there are also a lot of girls watching. Watching others ride to see what happens or what might happen. Lots and lots of girls watching the carousel to see if they want to take a spin. And a lot of girls waiting their turn to ride. Lots of girls waiting for their frenemies to get done with her ride on her favorite horsie so then they can take their turns on said favorite horsie. (Lots of girls don’t want to ride the carousel, per se – they’re waiting for their turn on a favorite horsie.)

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      • thedeti says:

        @ Bardelys:

        “Women actually hate the carousel, after a while. There’s a part of them that knows what it does to them. But in the modern climate, it’s the only way they can get Chad. There’s simply no other strategy that will work. Except it doesn’t work, and everyone knows it.”

        Disagree in part. And this might be hair-splitting, but whatever.

        It’s not so much that carousel riding is the only way to get Chad. It’s a bit more nuanced. It’s more like…

        “The only way I can have a shot at getting a relationship with Chad is to have sex with him when he wants. I can have sex with Chad and have no relationship. It can be a hookup or a one nighter or a friend with benefits thing. But if I want any kind of a chance at a relationship with Chad, I have no choice but to have sex with him when he wants.”

        And it’s kind of true. In today’s SMP/MMP, the top 10% of men have enormous power to choose sex partners, and even more power to choose who they will have any kind of lasting relationship with. It’s just implicit — if one particular woman will not have sex with Chad, he’ll move on to the ones who will. At any given time, Chad has a deep bench of at least 5 other women who will have sex with him, on his command. Any one of those women would jump at the chance to be Chad’s friend with benefits, his girlfriend, or the brass ring — Mrs. Chad. If she has the good fortune to be Mrs. Chad, she’ll gladly share him with other women, or at least look the other way while Chad does what he does. As long as she gets the title of Mrs. Chad and has complete access to his resources, she’s OK with Chad’s, ahem, “extracurriculars”. This is exactly what KS was talking about, and, well, he’s right — at least, he is in today’s SMP.

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      • thedeti says:

        “This is one reason why women write “No hookups!” on their OLD profiles. If you see this on a profile, it’s a red flag indicating that she’s already burned out from the CC. Ironically, hookups are all they get at that stage of the game.”

        It also is a green light indicating that if she’s feeling it or she thinks you’re hot enough, she will definitely be down for a hookup.

        It’s dogwhistling to players that she’s hookup ready — if you’re hot enough and if you’re saavy enough to listen for that high pitched tone.

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  8. feeriker says:

    “This is one reason why women write “No hookups!” on their OLD profiles. If you see this on a profile, it’s a red flag indicating that she’s already burned out from the CC.”

    One wonders if any of them ever eventually have the epiphany that their online profiles essentially tattoo them with the word SLORE in permanent digital ink.

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  9. Scott says:

    A fantastic blue bill line from a movie that exemplifies the whole sub-thread here about assortive mating, women’s high (stratospheric standards), etc.

    “I don’t know, Charlie. Unlike you, I never expected “the thunderbolt.” I always just hoped that, that I’d meet some nice friendly girl, like the look of her, hope the look of me didn’t make her physically sick, then pop the question and, um, settle down and be happy. It worked for my parents. Well, apart from the divorce and all that.”

    ~ Four Weddings and a Funeral

    This is how we all think about relationships until we vomit up the blue pill and replace it with the reality. It’s why they could tell me to do more choreplay to win my wife back in 1999. As if I had married way above my league and it was all I could do to keep her from becoming “physically sick” at the look of me. I was lucky, you see, that the goddess even looked in my direction. And if I was even luckier, I would get to stay with her without the trouble of “divorce and all that.”

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  10. feeriker says:

    “When I was in graduate school, I had an online date and over dinner the girl told me she was pregnant from a recent ONS and told me she didn’t want a hook up. No kidding.”

    I never cease to be amazed at how utterly lacking in self-awareness so many of them are. How can one be so completely lacking in that area without being classified as “mentally retarded?”

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    • thedeti says:

      “I never cease to be amazed at how utterly lacking in self-awareness so many of them are. How can one be so completely lacking in that area without being classified as “mentally retarded?”

      Because women are accustomed to being insulated from judgment and rejection. No one judged her for letting an ONS knock her up. No one said anything about it, really, other than a somewhat mildly surprised look and an “Oh…. well, I’m sure you’re getting along OK”, which she took as tepid encouragement.

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    • Oscar says:

      My initial thought was, “A little late for that, isn’t it?”

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  11. Scott says:

    The Tubes, only a hairs breath outside the official 80s alternative cannon.

    Relevant to this discussion.

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    • Scott says:

      On a related note. I sure wish I could figure out how that rubric worked. Its a process shrouded in secrecy.

      “Alright, next three front and center. The Cars, Cheap Trick, and The Pretenders. Will those of you who will be invited to the super cool 80’s alternative club please take one step forward. NOT SO FAST, Cheap Trick.”

      Very stressful.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Best Pretenders tune.

        Chrissie Hynde – alpha widow cat lady??

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      • cameron232 says:

        Best Cars tune. Simpin’ hard Rick??? Actually Rick married a supermodel!

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      • cameron232 says:

        Ok – best Cheap Trick tune. Late middle school for me. MAN!! – we ate this stuff up!!!

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      • cameron232 says:

        I mean listen to this stuff! No wonder so many of us got oneitis!!

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      • Scott says:

        That song “The Flame” came out after the break up with “the one I lost my virginity with”.

        1988

        Took about 6 months to get over it.

        Lame

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      • Oscar says:

        It’s not just that era, or genre. Look up the lyrics to “Pretty Woman”, or “She’s so High”, or “Teenage Dirtbag”.

        Seriously, look them up. I dare you to not vomit. I could write an entire series on the simpification of the American male based on those lyrics.

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      • Re. Chrissie Hynde: She said something like, “I don’t mind getting old; I just don’t want to get ugly.” Check out the lyrics to “Another Night in my Veins.” I initially thought it was about drugs, but it was about her getting banged by an Alpha in public a couple different ways. I read that feminists didn’t like her singing that. Always liked the Pretenders (she went to my high school a few years before I did, so they were always popular in the area).

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      • Oscar says:

        Alright, it turns out that “Teenage Dirtbag” has exactly one verse of realistic lyrics.

        Her boyfriend’s a dick
        And he brings a gun to school
        And he’d simply kick
        My ass if he knew the truth
        He lives on my block
        And he drives an IROC
        But he doesn’t know who I am
        And he doesn’t give a damn about me

        Never let it be said that I don’t give credit when it’s due.

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    • thedeti says:

      The Tubes, “She’s a Beauty”

      You can say anything you like
      But you can’t touch the merchandise
      She’ll give you every penny’s worth
      But it will cost you a dollar first

      You can step outside your little world
      (Step outside your world)
      You can talk to a pretty girl
      She’s everything you dream about

      The message to boys and men is unmistakable: “Women are the prize to be won. Look, but don’t touch. You have to pay and pay and pay, and maybe, MAYBE, she might think about giving you some attention. She is everything. She is YOUR everything. She’s not even part of your world. You can’t possibly hope to understand her. You’ll be lucky beyond your wildest expectactions if she considers you for anything more than smiling at you.”

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      • cameron232 says:

        Didn’t even look at the lyrics online. I remember them.

        “A one in a million girl.”

        His problem is he needs to go for the cute girl next door not the one in a million girl.

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    • Lastmod says:

      D-Mob featuring a 20 year old Cathy Dennis. October 1989. Huge my second year in college. I was 19. D-Mob (Dancin Danny) was a poor man’s Barry White with the extra few boxes of jelly donuts. “Come and get my love” (but only if I think you’re hot….. LOL!)

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  12. thedeti says:

    I guess one of the reasons all this became a “blinding obsession” for me, at least, was because I got the lesson that finding and meeting women, relationships, getting sex with women, was a herculean set of tasks for a man. You find a girl or set of girls you like and you are supposed to do lots and lots of things to get them to like you. That was just supposed to be how you did this.

    I probably got this message from my dad, whom I saw working tirelessly to keep mom “happy”, or at least “not unhappy”. He was constantly doing this or saying that to keep mom off his case, until every few months when he would verbally explode and mom would slink off quietly. So I internalized it and got the message that the way you had relationships with girls was to find the ones you liked and start doing and saying things to them to get them to notice me, like me, and hopefully “have a relationship” with me. Girls are work. Relationships are work. It’s all a lot of work that the man has to do.

    I didn’t really get it until much later that there were a few women who just liked me without me having to do much. They talked to me; they noticed me; they approached me. Some of them were cute, some not so cute. Then the guys, and some girls, coming to me. “Susie sent me to tell you she likes you, deti.” “Dude, can’t you see how Julie’s hot for you??” Or the handwritten note with a smear of lip gloss and perfume: “Hi deti!” (The handwritten note on lined notebook paper torn from a spiral notebook was the 1981 version of the text message.)

    The point was that meeting girls was supposed to be easy. It isn’t a lot of work. You get to pick from the girls who showed some interest. (And looking back, I have to admit, Susie sending her BFF to tell a guy she liked him, or showing clearly obvious IOIs, are HUGE social and emotional risks for 13-14 year old girls to take.) You don’t go out there and pick a girl you like and try to win her over. No, you pick from the girls who are showing you they’re interested in you. (One problem, a problem I had, was that a lot of the girls who were showing interest in me were girls I wasn’t interested in because too weird, too fat, too homely, too ‘slutty’, too whatever. And a sister saying “deti, she’s a SLUT.”)

    You have to understand: Circa early 1980s, “slut” was a four letter word you just Did. Not. Say. When Dan Aykroyd called Jane Curtin an “ignorant slut” on Saturday Night Live in 1979, it caused cheers and laughter because saying ‘slut’ out loud in public was really pushing the envelope. In high school in 1982, if you called a girl a slut you had best be prepared with proof of her sluttery. If you called a “nice girl” a slut, her boyfriend would tune you up as soon as you walked off school grounds. If you said it and an adult heard it you’d be confronted right then and there if not hauled off to the principal’s/pastor’s/name your adult civic leader’s office for a talking to. “Slut” was just about the absolute worst thing you could call a girl in the early 1980s in mid-America. Even if she was a slut, you still couldn’t say that about her out loud.

    The point was, once you get it drilled into your head that you’re supposed to do all this work to get a girl, it’s hard to “get” that you’re supposed to let the interested ones show interest first. And, the ones who are interested are your “league”. Those are the ones you’re supposed to deal with. Those are the ones you’re supposed to choose. You don’t work to win girls over; you deal with the ones who show you interest.

    And men are supposed to “just get” this.

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    • thedeti says:

      There was a set of social restrictions on bottom 80% boys and men in high school and well into my early adulthood. The message I clearly got was,

      “You don’t get to ‘date around’. You don’t get to express interest in multiple girls and try to ‘play the field’. You get one girl at a time, if we girls deign to allow you to have one of us. If you try to violate this restriction we will destroy you socially and none of us will ever date you again.”

      And they did it, too — well into college. I remember taking one girl out a couple of times and maybe messing around with her a little my junior and senior years in high school. I didn’t call her for a few days and started ‘talking to’ another girl. The backlash was furious. “How DARE you talk to Julie! You’re Susie’s guy! I’m gonna TELL!” “Damn, deti. You really dogged Susie out. Not cool.” “Aren’t you supposed to be Susie’s boyfriend??”

      I’m like, “What? Um, I talked to Susie. We went out a couple of times. Yeah, we kissed a lot afterwards. Yeah, I was with her behind the barn. But I didn’t promise her anything. I’m not her boyfriend. And what’s it to you guys anyway??”

      Only in looking back do I get it. It was, “deti, you’re not a top 20%er. You don’t get to play the field. Only the hot guys get to do that. You’re not a player, you’re not a hot guy. You’re Relationship Guy. You’re the guy we turn to to mend our broken hearts and buy us flowers and tell us you love us. You’re the guy we deal with after the players got to play with us.”

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      • cameron232 says:

        Your experience is way different than mine deti. Girls weren’t interested through middle an almost all of high school. One was when I was 18 and I jumped at the opportunity and am still with her. I don’t know what would have happened.

        Two (decent looking) girls in college showed what seemed like IoIs (which I didn’t jump on because I was “taken”). One of the girls turned out to be a party girl (probably carouseler) and the other is now a very fat Christian homeschooling mom with a VERY simpy looking husband.

        Anyway, it’s likely that you were considerably more attractive than me given your greater number of girlfriends.

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      • thedeti says:

        Cam

        I didn’t have more GFs. I just stupidly put myself more “out there” to be used and exploited. Remember – my attitude was “I have to do all the work. I have to find girls I like and work my @$$ off to win them over.” I viewed girls showing interest as pure dumb luck, just flukes and happenstance. No one ever told or showed me that girls showing IOIs and then men picking from the girls who showed interest was the way to do it. If I had gone at it that way instead of trying to do all the work, my life might have been very different.

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      • cameron232 says:

        deti – I was told a version of “be yourself” namely “stay sweet” and the girls will want you. I guess one of them did – one’s enough for me I guess.

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      • cameron232 says:

        However I should add to the story. My wife has never said she picked me (and she DID pick me) because I was “sweet” or “romantic.” She has consistently maintained that she picked me because I was intelligent and because she wanted her children to have my blue eyes. Those are the only reasons she has ever given to me.

        I think I benefited from the era of Jason Priestly, Beverly Hills 90210, “He has dreamy eyes!!” era. Women can be sensitive to social trends and cues.

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    • Joe2 says:

      “The point was, once you get it drilled into your head that you’re supposed to do all this work to get a girl, it’s hard to “get” that you’re supposed to let the interested ones show interest first. And, the ones who are interested are your “league”. Those are the ones you’re supposed to deal with.”

      Way back in 1916, Bernarr Macfadden wrote about this in his book, Marriage and Manhood On page 27, he mentions, “the average man likes to deceive himself that he is the pursuing party…it is the woman and not the man who has made the choice… a man can influence the choice by avoiding women who are not of the proper sort.”

      Bernarr Macfadden was an American proponent of physical culture, a combination of bodybuilding with nutritional and health theories. He founded the long-running magazine publishing company Macfadden Publications.

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      • thedeti says:

        “…the average man likes to deceive himself that he is the pursuing party…it is the woman and not the man who has made the choice… a man can influence the choice by avoiding women who are not of the proper sort.”

        Macfadden was correct of course. That’s how it is supposed to work. Women had to choose, and that meant women were responsible for their choices and had to live with their choices. Feminists and women worked very hard to change all that and insisted that human nature had changed circa 1970 with the sexual revolution. Women still got to choose but they believed they didn’t have to live with those choices or be responsible for them. Now it was men who had to do all the work, and take all the responsibility, and have to live with their choices. If a woman didn’t have to live with it, men did — and they had to pay for it.

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  13. feeriker says:

    His problem is he needs to go for the cute girl next door not the one in a million girl.

    Yeah. You’d think men would have learned by now that the “one in a million” chick is the batsh!+-crazy one who will eventually ruin a man’s life and drive him to the point of suicide.

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  14. Scott says:

    O/T

    When the collapse happens, it is going to be really hard for pretty much anyone who can’t fix everything themselves, and protect it with deadly force.

    We had a septic alarm (primary tank too full) and I know a little about what can cause this. So, I went through the several steps I know about for how to remedy this, and get the pump to empty the tank.

    No luck.

    So, in comes the septic guy. He walked me out to the leech field, unscrewed the two caps at the ends of the lines, restarted the pump and got all the gunk out of the clogged tanks.

    I had him explain to me what is actually going on out there in the field, so I could understand it, and know what to look for next time.

    Never would have figured that out myself.

    Multiply that by all the complex systems that make our lives easier, times 7 billion people. When the lights go out, most of us will die.

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    • cameron232 says:

      I figured out that we won’t freeze to death in the basement if the natural gas gets cut off. The basement doesn’t freeze and we have a wood burning stove with lots of firewood for comfort.

      We could rob the local Amish of their food I suppose since they don’t have guns. But every other redneck will have thought of that.

      You’re right – we’re toast. I think we might live longer than we would have in Florida. Way too many humanoids there.

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      • Scott says:

        I figure the best chance for survival is community.

        Jim has guns. Steve is really good at fixing cars. John’s wife has a really nice greenhouse going. Fred knows how to fix the septic tank.

        You pool together and live. Keep the zombies from the cities out by shooting them.

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      • cameron232 says:

        I’ve always wondered if small, isolated towns with good farmland would fare well. Enough people to have a good variety of skills and to defend the community. You’re in a good state for when SHTF, Scott.

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      • thedeti says:

        “I’ve always wondered if small, isolated towns with good farmland would fare well. Enough people to have a good variety of skills and to defend the community. You’re in a good state for when SHTF, Scott.”

        People have been saying for years that when SHTF you need to be out of the cities. You need to get as far away from major population centers as possible and into small enclaves of tight knit communities where people know and trust each other.

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      • Oscar says:

        “I’ve always wondered if small, isolated towns with good farmland would fare well.”

        That pretty much describes where I moved to. I’ll write more about it later.

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    • thedeti says:

      I need to give more than passing thought to this.

      This is yet another reason to get off the interwebz and into meat space. This is yet another reason to get to know your neighbors well.

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