Another Status Signaling Narrative

Single men can signal status too!

Readership: All; Men;
Length: 1,000 words
Reading Time: 3.5 minutes + 9:34 minute video

Jason (LastMod) shared this video he made in response to Ted Beale’s post at Vox Popoli, Triggering the Irrelevant (2022-3-20) and the discussion about it here under The Status Signaling Narrative (2022-3-21).

Jack’s Notes

The first half of the video is a subjective exploration of Jason’s views about certain personalities, which are offered as anecdotal evidence for various points. But the larger point he makes in the first half of the video is that there is a lot of status signaling and AMOGing going on, and that the most egregious examples are way over the top, if not ridiculous.

One noteworthy example he gives (starting at the 4:54 mark) is of Bing Crosby. Bing Crosby was touted as the ideal husband and family man back in the day, but it was all a facade. In reality, he was married twice, had several extramarital affairs, and he hated his wife and children. After Crosby’s death, his eldest son, Gary, wrote a highly critical memoir with a title that has taken on a new meaning since it was written, Going My Own Way (1983), which depicted his father as cruel, cold, remote, and physically and psychologically abusive. Two of his sons, Lindsay and Dennis committed suicide.

LastMod gives several other examples to round out his argument that many men turn out to be lousy fathers, all to make the point that being a father is not the whole purpose of life for every man.

The second half of the video is about his work in property management. His main point is that he is contributing a valuable service to his community, and that he couldn’t do all this if he had a wife and family to look after.

Here I want to point out that Jason himself is engaging in status signaling, which is most evident at the 6:57 mark when he says,

“…the world needs men like me at this point and stage in the game.”

Then he goes on to describe how diligent and dedicated he is to his work. Admirable!

Getting stuff done.

Following your Calling is always the right choice

IMO, status signaling is probably a good thing for a man’s psychology, and it is somewhat necessary to make one’s self known to others. The problem with status signaling comes when men begin to denigrate the status of other men as being wrong, worthless, irrelevant, inferior, cowardly, and so on.

The thing we should be mindful about is that there is Biblical support for both Jason’s and Ted’s positions. Jason’s position is described in 1 Corinthians 7:8, 25-40. Ted’s position is supported by Genesis 1:28.

Furthermore, we have this admonition from St. Paul.

17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.

20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.

23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.
24 Brethren, let each one remain with God in that state in which he was called.

26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress—that it is good for a man to remain as he is: 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife.

Excerpts from 1 Corinthians 7 (NKJV)

Verse 26 makes it rather clear that Ted is reaching past his domain of authority when he starts demanding that other men should marry and have children in order to “defend the continuation of civilized society” — a society which has created the very situation in which men are hesitant to marry.

Following the analogy given in 1 Corinthians 12:15-26, Vox is basically saying, “because I am a d!ck that F_cks and procreates, therefore the eye, ear, and hand should also be d!cks! If they are not d!cks, then they are irrelevant. The body does not need them. They should not be part of the body!”

The truth is, Ted and Jason are BOTH doing what they’re supposed to be doing with their lives, and they’re BOTH glorifying God in their own unique respective ways. I would even say that they’re BOTH pursuing their God ordained mission in life.

The measure of a Man is his readiness in taking action in obedience to His Life Calling.

We have seen evidence of both Ted and Jason taking large action within their respective spheres of influence. But yet, we see BOTH these men engaging in status signaling and passing cynical contemptuous invectives against the other, presumably for ego preservation or to receive the recognition and approval of certain men within their own microcosm of influence. A third possibility is to glorify one’s self as an idealogue hawk.

Let us not become slaves to the opinions of men.

An idealogical minion who believes he is a keyboard warrior.

Conclusions

The Christian Manosphere (of which I assume Ted, Jason, Adam, et al. are an integral part), should be leading the wider ‘sphere in the graceful display of respect to all men and the promulgation of men’s prime interests according to each man’s calling.

As I’ve stated before in Avoiding the Broken Window Effect (2021-7-21), how we treat other men is a community quality indicator. It’s also displays the community’s general stance towards male authority and headship. Ultimately, it characterizes the community’s fear of God.

Men need to defend the interests of other men, especially Christian men for Christian men.

This does not mean that we need to agree on everything in life. It means that we need to recognize each man’s contribution, including our own, and regard this work as labor for the Kingdom of God.

“Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.”

Romans 14:4 (NKJV)

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53 Responses to Another Status Signaling Narrative

  1. Maniac says:

    If I’m not mistaken, the “present distress” that Paul spoke of involved food shortages, economic uncertainty and the rise of anti-Christian persecution. Well…

    I’m pro-life, which is why I’m not having kids. Children are living, breathing beings with souls; they’re not supposed to be treated as political pawns in some unwinnable culture war.

    We’ll see how natalistic these folks are when they hear the dreaded words, “Daddy, I’m hungry!” in the coming years.

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    • Oscar says:

      Like I told the other guy who made similar comments, if our ancestors thought like you do, none of us would be here.

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  2. Scott says:

    My ex-father in law was a retired Air Force LTC, a B-52 pilot who flew top secret missions over Cambodia and Laos (at 22), an American Airlines senior pilot, a church elder, and a professor at Embry-Riddle university.

    All of these accomplishments were awesome. But the thing I remember the most about him was that he treated every man he met as if that man’s profession and mission in life was the most important thing in the world. He treated the guy helping him find a replacement ballast at the hardware store like his expertise was of vital importance and indispensable.

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    • whiteguy1 says:

      I’ve tried to be like that, and it’s amazing the response I get from other men when I do. I chalk it up to how the men in my family showed me how they approached work in general, that no job, no task was ever beneath you.

      I started cleaning toilets at 11yrs old at my father’s engineering firm (I got paid, but it wasn’t much). In my college years I worked with my maternal grandfather and there wasn’t anything that he wouldn’t do if it needed doing. The man was a multi-millionaire and yet he was with me in a un-insulated attic in the summer time (in Texas) cleaning out wasp and mice nests with me in his 60’s it was CRAZY. He had the respect of every man in town, either by reputation or by them working with him, he treated every job and man as important no matter the situation or social status. I’ve tried to do the same.

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  3. redpillboomer says:

    “The Christian Manosphere (of which I assume Ted, Jason, Adam, et al. are an integral part), should be leading the wider ‘sphere in the graceful display of respect to all men and the promulgation of men’s prime interests according to each man’s calling.”

    Bingo! Right on. The “Jason Model” of masculine expression AND the “Ted Model” both are valid representations of manhood. There may be other models as well, but those two models are the most recognizable, i.e. they’re standard issue models, IMO: the single man pursuing his purpose in life (or preferably HIS purpose), and the married man doing the same.

    In regards to the male expression of masculinity, it’s an AND situation, not an OR thing. The OR thing is a trap; as in, “Either you’re doing it my way OR you’re “falling short” as a man.” There is no “one size fits all” model of masculinity. Those that imply there is are full of sh!t.

    I think Jason is right about some of the stuff I’ve heard in the ‘Sphere. I too notice a red flag goes off inside me when any content creator, subtly or not so subtly, veers off into the OR trap, aka “Either you do it MY way (or my masculine sect’s way), or you’re not a man or at least something less than a full man.” This IMO shows up a lot in the Alpha/Beta construct. “Either you’re an Alpha…” (whatever the he!! that exactly is), “…or you’re a ‘loser’ beta” (whatever the he!! a beta is exactly). It also really shows up in the MGTOW discussions. i.e. “All MGTOWs are losers who can’t get laid” and other implications. Again, all a bunch of BS!

    One thing I was thinking about, Jack, that came up for me out of Jason’s post, it might be a good thing to compare and contrast faux-masculine headship (posturing) vs. true Biblical headship. I know you and others have handled the subject of Biblical headship a lot on here, but have we ever compared and contrasted the two? IDK, maybe you did already and I missed it, or it was before my time as being a part of this blog, my reading Sigma Frame and posting comments, about two (?) years now I think.

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    • Jack says:

      RPB,

      “…it might be a good thing to compare and contrast faux-masculine headship (posturing) vs. true Biblical headship. I know you and others have handled the subject of Biblical headship a lot on here, but have we ever compared and contrasted the two? IDK, maybe you did already and I missed it, or it was before my time as being a part of this blog…”

      I have written about this many times before, but not in one stand-alone post that contains a full comprehensive listing of the differences. I’ve only picked out one or two differences at a time as it related to a topic. I’ve also not had the habit of listing such a comparison within its own category, so I can see how these posts would be hard to find.

      Over the past several months, there have been a few readers who specifically requested the topic of Christian Masculinity or True Masculinity, and so I’ve adopted the mindset to concentrate on this area in the future. The theme for April will be “Overcoming Obstacles”, and we’ll be examining some aspects of masculinity that contribute to this.

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  4. feeriker says:

    I think Jason is on to something when he talks about married men being miserable and envying single men. Projection and envy play a big part in some of the more (pseudo-) Alpha men’s denegration of single men/MGTOW.

    Good points also on the celebrity fathers mentioned (e.g. Bing Crosby, Murry Wilson, Joe Jackson). Their failures as fathers have had a lasting impact on not only their children, but their children’s children, and probably will have negative repercussions on generations to come.

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  5. Scott says:

    In the current crisis, I almost consider it an automatic fail when we hear what a “real man” is (or other variations of this theme).

    The most common ones come from the tradcons, who try so desperately try to walk the fine line between their weird notions of chivalry (from opening doors to protecting), and worshipping their kick ass daughters with guns who don’t need no man. (“Any future son in law better be able to handle a strong, sassy opinionated woman like my daughter.”)

    The construct of masculinity will stand or fall on its own merits and the smartest move right now is for men to support each other in the wilderness.

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  6. Lastmod says:

    What a pleasant surprise this is. It was just an off the cuff response. No notes or anything like that. Just my opinion. My eyes were scanning here and there because all our office spaces here have windows, watching people walk by or they peer in… At one point, my secretary wanted to see me that is why around the 9:10 mark, my arm goes offscreen to signal, “give me a minute”, so I could close up the video.

    Scott and his wifey remember a much different L.A., and yes… a better one I am sure… but I am thoroughly enjoying life here. I like it. I am surprised I have taken to it, not politically, but I do like living here.

    The joke in this part of Los Angeles (West L.A.) is “trying to get a date is like to trying to find a legitimate massage parlor here”, which always makes me smirk.

    L.A.’s own “5th Dimension” shouts out West L.A. back in late 1967.

    I am going to make video tonight or tomorrow about America’s best friend in the whole world…… Ukraine. “The country that has done so much for the USA over the centuries and has so much potential”, instead of the corrupt, Slavic dump that it is.

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    • anonymous_ng says:

      This song really does remind me of SoCal in 1976. Dad was an enlisted soldier at Edwards AFB. I remember swimming lessons, and visiting family in San Pedro.

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  7. Pollox says:

    In Matthew, there is a parable of talents. We are all judged based upon what we do with what we have. With our talents, how do we serve God’s kingdom?

    The war is for souls, and I believe if you train up a child in the way he should go, when he is old, he will not depart from it.

    The Lord has provided us, in this time, more resources for our labor than at any time before us, save perhaps the days of Adam.

    If you choose not to have children because you are afraid they may suffer, I am unsure if you are using your talents to their full potential. We all will suffer, and often great suffering brings us closer to God.

    As an aside, what if all those people that would serve God well as fathers just decided to give up? What would I say to Christ when standing before him? I have many things to answer for, but hopefully that will not be one.

    I understand that each person is a different part of the church body, and that having children may lead to suffering, but most of the arguments from the childfree tend to be fear-based. Should we give ourselves over to a spirit of fear?

    What are these men doing to glorify God? Preaching the word? Helping the poor? Paying taxes to Caesar while enjoying life’s pleasures?

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    • Lastmod says:

      Most of the child free men today in the church are “losers” (according to women), and “not real men” (according to their brothers). Hence why most of the childfree stay away from church (as they should).

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      • Pollox says:

        We are all losers absent Christ.

        As to how people at church treat childfree men, I feel sadness when I see any man not live up to what I think might be his potential. Maybe that is my personal weakness.

        I see many prideful people in church. This may or may not surprise you but churches are full of sinners. The problem is when they won’t admit it.

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    • Oscar says:

      “What are these men doing to glorify God? Preaching the word? Helping the poor? Paying taxes to Caesar while enjoying life’s pleasures?”

      That’s a point I made back at Dalrock’s. Several of the Christian MGTOW men made the point that St. Paul said it was better to remain unmarried. I replied with, “Yeah, so you can serve God with fewer reservations.”

      1 Corinthians 7:32-33 (NKJV)
      32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. 33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife.

      St. Paul, Silas, Luke, Timothy, and many others were able to take on the burdens they did for the Lord because they were unmarried. A man without a family can take greater risks than a man with a family. He has more flexibility. He can fit his entire life in his car. That allows him to serve God in ways a family man can’t.

      So, I asked those Christian MGTOWs, “In what ways are you serving the Lord that a married man can’t?”

      They never answered the question, but they got very angry, which indicates that the answer to the question was, “We’re not.”

      I’m not saying that applies to every man who doesn’t marry (I’m the one who first criticized Ted Beale for unfairly criticizing unmarried men, after all), but it does apply to some. It’s pretty clear that some men remain single not out of a sense of mission, like St. Paul, but because it’s easier.

      To be clear, if a man decides to remain perpetually single, I don’t care. Not my life, not my problem. I won’t be the one standing before God answering for him. I’ll just warn him that God doesn’t only care about what we do. He also cares about our motivations for doing what we do, and there’s not fooling Him.

      Jeremiah 17:9-10 (NKJV)
      9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
      And desperately wicked;
      Who can know it?
      10 I, the Lord, search the heart,
      I test the mind,
      Even to give every man according to his ways,
      According to the fruit of his doings.

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      • Jack says:

        “I’m not saying that [1 Corinthians 7:32] applies to every man who doesn’t marry… but it does apply to some.”

        Yes. I noticed that Adam’s response, I agree with Vox, and most of the commenters there including Bruce Charlton, automatically identified all single men with the most noxious elements of MGTOW. I intentionally avoided making this association because it’s unfair to single Christian men. Furthermore, this violates several logical fallacies, including an appeal to a common (negative) identity, bulverizing, false premise, guilt by association, insinuation, name calling (MGTOW), playing on fantasies, scapegoating, stereotyping, straw man, and wine tasters approval. (See Intellectually Dishonest Debate Tactics under Argumentation and Debate for a full description of these fallacies.)

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      • Oscar says:

        Jack,

        Agreed. You can’t lump every man who remains single with the few bitter, woman-hating men who call themselves MGTOW. There are many motivations to remain single. Some are good (received the gift of celibacy like St. Paul, can serve the Lord more freely, etc.), and some are bad (laziness, selfishness, bitterness, etc.). We can ask, but ultimately we can only listen to a man’s words and observe his actions. Only God “searches the heart and tests the mind”.

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  8. Scott says:

    Tonight I witnessed something I have been begging my children for for years.

    Took Mychael and the family to one of those Japanese hibachi places for her birthday.

    Chef made balloon animals for the littlest three. Of course, one of them popped. It was the oldest boy’s.

    After noticing how sad he was, littlest guy got up and walked around to him and handed him his, saying he could hold it until later and they could share after that.

    An act born of a pure empathic response, totally unscripted and totally spontaneous. I almost fell out of my chair.

    Sigh.

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  9. Lastmod says:

    As I recall, the Bible says, “by faith alone”, and by acting on this faith the fruits of the spirit will behold works.

    So if a man is Christian and “can’t” find anyone to marry, or “lead” in marriage, is he a lesser man? Maybe? Possibly? Plenty of married men in church who profess their faith are not “going to heaven” by default because they are a father.

    This also brings up in the Christian faith the issue that these men are just “lazy” and “dont want to suffer” or “put in the work” to find a wife and defaults to women being blameless and “men” are messing up Christianity. If they all just talked to women, went to the gym, were alpha, got a STEM degree, and attended a nice suburban church…… then women would just fall in line.

    That Bible verse that tells / talks about how singles “have time to serve the Lord” has been twisted to mean: Married people by being married / parents are guaranteed heaven and are deemed already “good” by God.

    Single people have to serve, slave, work to serve the church and the faith (be the workers) and when I was practicing, I put in a ton of work in service, and was more miserable for it. Much more angry too. Why? Well, I was being told on the one hand that this was required of the faith…. and then on the other hand being told in those sermons a few times a year, “single men here are lazy, running from their duties, need to be real men, need to be fathers, need to just talk to women cause they don’t bite” nonsense. I got plenty of shame from the world, and still do…. but it doesn’t bother me as much now… But in the church…. the last place you would expect this kind of talk, I got it ten fold.

    If a man is MGTOW, fine! Be MGTOW. Be Blackpilled. Great! Be so Blackpilled that you cause a solar eclipse. Be so Blackpilled that you could go to funerals naked and people would think you were in a dark suit. My beef with that whole scene is: all they do is TALK ABOUT WOMEN!!!

    If you believe this, and have gone your own way. Go and do it. If you meet a woman later on. Just admit you were wrong, and get on with it. If you don’t…… you had better have something to do. Actually a few things to do…. because people like Vox will remind you daily what a loser you are. Most men will call you names, assume you are gay, a porn addict, a child molester, or creepy.

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    • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

      “My beef with that whole scene is: all they do is TALK ABOUT WOMEN!!!”

      We live in a society saturated by sex. “Getting some” is the highest act a man can achieve. It’s everywhere, and inescapable. Since most churches now are converged, it seeps into the sermons as well. We could lessen this tension by giving men support, and admonishing the behavior of women, who are complicit in this state of affairs. But fear of drying up the collection plate renders this impossible.

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    • Oscar says:

      “This also brings up in the Christian faith the issue that these men are just “lazy” and “dont want to suffer” or “put in the work” to find a wife…”

      That’s true of some, and not of others.

      You tell men a simple truth like “Women prefer strong men. It wouldn’t hurt you to lift weights and clean up your diet.”, and some of them respond with lame excuses like…
      — Women should like me for who I am, not what I look like.
      — I don’t have the genetics for it.
      — I’m naturally skinny.
      — Gyms are icky meat markets.
      — I don’t like gym bros.
      — I’m too intellectual/spiritual/sophisticated for such Neanderthal pursuits.
      — I can’t look like a bodybuilder, so there’s no point in trying.

      You tell men another simple truth like, “Women prefer men who are good providers. It wouldn’t hurt you to level up in your career.”, and some of them respond with lame excuses like…
      — Women should like me for who I am, not how much money I make.
      — I’m too intellectual/spiritual/sophisticated for such profane pursuits.

      … and blady, blady, freakin’ blah. It’s all BS. The truth is, they want a woman, but they don’t want one badly enough to do hard things like lifting weights, or leveling up in their career.

      They’re no better than women who say they want a man, but they don’t want one badly enough to stop being an obese, insufferable b!tch.

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  10. Bardelys the Magnificent says:

    We need to be, first softly then harshly, pushing MGTOWs down on their knees in front of the altar. Feel like your life is ruined? Meet your Savior. TPTB have, very craftily, removed any idea of service to God from young men’s lives. Could you imagine a church that is 75% men, unfazed by the lamentations of the women? This is the goal we need to pursue. Fill the pews with men, and the rest will follow.

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    • Scott says:

      Yep. A church filled with men on a mission would be a game changer.

      Next thing that would happen is women, jealous and suspicious of what the men might be plotting, scheming, and up to in general would try to infiltrate. A bunch of men who don’t care what women think is quite unnerving. That space would need to be marked–pissed on with estrogen urine.

      The task of that institution would be to REMAIN unfazed. Stay on target, stay on task. Carrying out the work of the Lord on this earth.

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      • Scott says:

        This is why Promise Keepers was so stupid. The subtext of the whole thing was, “How can we be even MORE obsequious towards our masters (our wives) than we already are?”

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      • Scott says:

        It’s the Matt Chandler hypothesis. If you work yourself to the point of total exhaustion every night changing diapers and helping with homework and doing laundry, she will like you more.

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      • feeriker says:

        I suspect that any male-dominated church that underwent an infiltration by large numbers of women would very soon prove Sharkly’s frequent assertion that women are natural defilers.

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      • anonymous_ng says:

        No one wants to really talk about how women change the dynamic of things.

        Some years back, I was sitting at the barber shop waiting to get my hair cut on a Friday or Saturday evening. There were five or six men sitting around just talking as men do, when two young women walked in asking where the bus stopped etc.

        The owner told them, and sent them on their way. It took a solid 20-30 minutes for conversation to resume it’s former freedom.

        Now, we weren’t running down women, and these women didn’t say anything about the men in the room, but their presence just changed things, and made everyone more guarded.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ anonymous_ng,

        I’ve seen a similar dynamic when I take my boys to the barber shop, and a mom walks in with her boy(s). Sometimes my wife has to take the boys to the barber shop. She says she feels out of place, because all the men get quiet as soon as she walks in.

        I mentioned this before. I’m old enough to have served in all-male combat units, and I’ve also served in mixed-sex units. The all-male units always function more smoothly.

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  11. feeriker says:

    “Some years back, I was sitting at the barber shop waiting to get my hair cut on a Friday or Saturday evening. There were five or six men sitting around just talking as men do, when two young women walked in asking where the bus stopped etc.”

    Even barber shops are no longer male “safe spaces.” If I had the power to do so, I would make it illegal for any woman to enter a barber shop. Young boys needing a haircut will have to come with their fathers, or, if Mom has kicked Dad out of his life, with another male relative or a male family friend.

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    • Scott says:

      I used to go to one in Sant Clarita, CA where I grew up. “Bob’s barber shop.” He was a Mexican guy named Robert. He had a huge Elvis style pompadour, white barber coat. There was a Catholic corner with candles and Mary. Huge American flag on the back wall, oldies (50s) music playing, playboy mags on the old coffee table. USMC tattoo on his forearm. He was ethnically Mexican, but he was not confused about what country he was in. The first time I was in there, I was like 6 and I thought I had entered a secret club of awesomeness. I don’t think Bob could do business like that now.

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      • Scott says:

        Can’t forget the pictures of all the little league teams he sponsored.

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      • Scott says:

        I mean, imagine. Serbian immigrant dad brings his Serb/Scot/Irish son into an American barber shop owned by a 1st generation Mexican Iwo Jima vet. Several guys with names like Gibson, Smith, and Jones are already in there and it’s all cool with everyone.

        America is over.

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      • Scott says:

        There was no rainbow “all are welcome here” sticker on the window.

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      • Oscar says:

        Bob sounds awesome.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “The first time I was in there, I was like 6 and I thought I had entered a secret club of awesomeness.”

        I’m old enough to remember those barber shops too. It was the way the men talked in there. It resonated with something deep inside me that I didn’t quite understand yet, but knew it was just something I was supposed to be a part of even though I was still just a kid. It felt good to be in there with relaxed, joking adult males with mom and sis know where to be found.

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    • anonymous_ng says:

      These days, the old school barber shop, and the old school local gun shop are the only two mostly male spaces.

      If I could, I would do as you’ve said and make barbershops male only.

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      • Scott says:

        It should technically be legal to do that already, if I am understanding the concept of “freedom of association” correctly.

        But it seems that idea only works in certain directions, and only certain groups are allowed to invoke it.

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      • feeriker says:

        Even cigar stores are being invaded by estrogen. Used to be that you could pick up a high-end Nicaraguan or Salvadorian cigar in one of these places, go into the lounge, light up, and relax in the company of like-minded men. (Some of the places even offered a complimentary glass of bourbon or brandy to accompany your smoke.)

        No more. Nowadays you run into butch-cut, tattooed and pierced dykes/male wannabes with attitude who stink up the places even more than the stench of the cheap cigars most of them buy.

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  12. Lastmod says:

    My old barber shop in Fresno was sleek, modern and for men. Luis was a hip guy and an awesome barber. The floor was polished concrete. The barber racks and storage were Craftsman tool racks. The barber chairs were restored ones from the 1950’s. Some of the rules were posted in frames on the wall; and they were in English and Spanish:

    “Guys, don’t bring your girl in here with you so she can watch you while you get your haircut. You don’t look cool. You look f_cking retarded!”

    “The only women allowed here are ones who are bringing their boy(s) in for a haircut. Please leave your wife, or girl at home. When women / young boys are present, watch your language.”

    “There has been more fish caught, more game hunted, and more women bedded in this room than in any other in the state of Californa. Guys, watch your bullsh!t. It will be called out.”

    Stuff like this…… My barber here in L.A. is good. Mexican shop, and I am allowed here as a white boy because Luis knew the barber and referred me. The first time I walked in, twenty sets of eyes all looked at me as if to say, “Wrong shop Holmes!” But the barber (Oscar) says, “You Jason from Fresno? Holmes… have a seat yo. Luis told me all about you. Welcome to my place…”

    The place eased up immediately. Good, clean cut, hard working guys come to this shop. I like it.

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  13. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: since we’re lamenting the loss of manly Americana, let’s talk about the awesome Abernathy boys.

    Eccentric Culinary History: The Abernathy Boys Go for a Ride (2022-3-24)

    “If you want a single dramatic example of how much America has changed in the last century or so, stop talking about trips to the moon and super computers and start talking about this: in 1910, two brothers, Temple and Louis Abernathy, saddled up a pair of ponies and rode alone from their home in Frederick, Oklahoma, to New York City, almost 2000 miles away, to see Teddy Roosevelt give a speech. At the time, Louis, called “Bud”, was 10 years old, Temp was 6.”
    ……..
    “For an encore, the two pre-teens shipped their horses home by train, bought an automobile and drove it back to Oklahoma.”
    ……..
    “It deserves to be mentioned that the great ride to New York in 1910 was not the Abernathy boys’ first rodeo. A year earlier, in 1909, Temp and Bud had ridden from Oklahoma to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and back, a 1300-mile round trip, done at the ages of 5 and 9, completely alone.”
    ……..
    “…in 1911, the Abernathy boys rode their horses from New York City to San Francisco, 3616 miles in 62 days, a cross-country horseback record that still stands. A crazy accomplisment for an adult, almost unimaginable for a pair of children.”
    ……..
    “After 1913, when they returned from their great motorcycle ride to New York, the Abernathy boys were never again in the spotlight. They had ridden, by horse, car and motorcyle, more than 10,000 miles in four years, starred as themselves in a silent movie, and gone for a plane ride with Orville Wright. Then they settled down to ordinary lives.”

    Also, Temp Abernathy weren’t no simp.

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    • feeriker says:

      Absolutely shameful to see how far we’ve fallen in a century.

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    • Jack says:

      My maternal grandfather was the son of Prussian immigrants. Born in 1908, he had his own bicycle repair shop that he ran by himself from the age of 8 until he was 15. He also had a part time job painting fences in the summer. When he was 15, he was old enough to get a job as a boilermaker for the Pennsylvania Railroad. He said he made $40/week, which was BIG money back then. (For perspective, he bought a new car with 2-1/2 months salary.) This job allowed him to have a very comfortable life during the Great Depression. He worked there until steam locomotives were replaced by diesel trains in 1948. After that, he bought a small library of books about electricity and studied at home to be an electrician. After he got his electricians license, he worked for Timken Roller Bearing until he retired in 1969.

      Jack’s status signaling: “My grandfather made this!!!”

      I’ve always admired his achievements in life, but as I’ve grown older and studied more of American history, I’ve found that men like this were not that uncommon.

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  14. Lastmod says:

    For Scott. L.A., 1982. This was a novelty hit. Moon Unit was great but Zappa himself was genius. Frank Zappa visists the housewives of America as a traveling vaccume salesman. He enters the home, throws dirt on the carpet, begins to vaccuum, and says, “Okay lady, lets pretend this dirt is your subconcious mind!” LOL!!!!!!

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    • Scott says:

      Yes, Valley Girl has a fantastic soundtrack. The Plimsoles. Pat Travers.

      Great stuff.

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    • Scott says:

      To be precise. The Valley Girl soundtrack doesn’t actually have the Zappa song on it. (I don’t think so anyway.)

      But it has “Johnny are you queer?” by Josie Cotton which is just as much a novelty. Men at Work, The Psychedelic Furs, and Modern English also appear.

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      • Lastmod says:

        No it doesn’t. Zappa was a genius, and Zappa effing didn’t care. He came out of LA in 1967 with the “GTO’s” (Girls Together Outrageously) and of course spoofing everything “We’re Only In It For The Money!” He called the whole sixties San Francisco scene “a bunch of pre-fabricated new england homes on the northern california coast with a bunch of pre-fabricated ideas”

        The right hated him for just being him, and the left hated him for not being on the “their side” Listen to this LA non-comformist / conformist talk about the music industry.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4wsURn3rw

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  15. Scott says:

    O/T

    Watching the documentary “Val” about Val Kilmer. Narrated by his son.

    It is absolutely terrifying to see Kilmer, only 12 years older than me looking like a train wreck after throat cancer.

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    • Lastmod says:

      “The Doors” movie which came out in ’91 with Val……was excellent. He did a fantastic Jim Morrison…..of course Oliver Stone directed it so its an “interpetation” of a very complex man with cutting edge camera angles (for that time), lighting and design. That style got “old” kinda quick. But Val Kilmer was amazing in that flick,.

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      • Scott says:

        I had no idea he had so much classical training. Or that he came from such an interesting family. He will always be Iceman.

        I’m surprised at how upbeat he is in the documentary. He does not appear to fear getting old and dying.

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