Scott’s experience with using SARMs

Losing fat, gaining lean weight and definition.

Readership: All
Theme: Risk Assessment
Length: 550 words
Reading Time: 2 minutes + 17:26 minute long video

Backstory

So I had hernia surgery the day before Thanksgiving (2021). I was sitting at about 205 lbs. (92.8 kg.) at the moment I was required to stop all working out, about 2 weeks before the surgery. My recovery time was 3 weeks, so that’s 5 weeks, zero strenuous activity. The first time in about 27 years I had missed more than a day or two for a cold or something like that. I was going nuts.

After recovery, I decided to restart and change things up a bit.

  1. I added 1-1/2 rest days. This has been very hard for me because if I could, I would never take them.
  2. I’ve introduced way more water than I used to drink.
  3. I started using SARMs.
  4. I also changed up my routine a bit to be more in line with the principles this guy uses:

He is a licensed physical therapist so much of his exercise theories revolve around mechanics and safety.

Everything else has remained about the same. A little over 200 grams of protein a day, and going easy on the crappy junk food.

SARMs

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) are a class of therapeutic compounds that have similar anabolic properties to anabolic steroids, but with reduced androgenic (producing male characteristics) properties. As an example, the androgen receptor is activated by binding androgens, such as testosterone.

Based on some men’s reported lean muscle mass gains, it appears that SARMs mimic anabolic steroids quite well.

The side effects of using SARMs are not as well documented as the ones with steroids are, but any time you start messing with body chemistry there is some risk involved.

You can look them up and decide for yourself if they are for you.

Here’s a pic of the exact product I am cycling right now.

It contains a stack of three:

Results

Recall, I have mentioned in previous YouTube videos and on this site that my routine was a grueling 11~13 workouts a week. Never had super low body fat except once when I had clear ab definition around 46 years old, right before I retired from the army.

But I am now sitting at a whopping 218 lbs (98.6 kg.) with LESS fat than I had at 205, right before the surgery. These two pics below were taken on 2022 March 12, which is 21 weeks into this routine. A faint outline of my abs are showing, and I’m only half way done with this cycle.

In the comments, I’m interested to hear about other men’s experience with using SARMs, Ostarine, etc. Since this month’s theme is about Risk Assessment, a discussion of the risks vs. benefits of using SARMs would also be in order.

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24 Responses to Scott’s experience with using SARMs

  1. I never got into SARMs although I read about them. Used clenbuterol at one time and it helped, but that is a different bowl of rats.

    I know of people that have done well using them, but there are some SARMs that they steer clear of. One dude mentioned getting “yellow eyes” with one type and one other was kind of nasty. But I have been told that there were four or five that were mainstays, generally having a stack of two or three that worked well together.

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    • “I know of people that have done well using them, but there are some SARMs that they steer clear of. One dude mentioned getting “yellow eyes” with one type and one other was kind of nasty. But I have been told that there were four or five that were mainstays, generally having a stack of two or three that worked well together.”

      Generally a symptom of liver issues. Certain anabolics trash your liver. Hope he got off them.

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  2. Jack says:

    Here’s my little story about Ostarine.

    I had a severe urinary tract infection a couple years ago, and I was hospitalized for 10 days. The doctors said it was caused (?) by an enlarged prostate. Had to take some prostate medication after that (Tamsulosin).

    Sharkly said that Ostarine, iodine, and selenium can help with prostate problems, so I started taking these. I alternated between the prostate medication and Ostarine every other day. I noticed that the prostate medication had a strange effect on me (hard to describe), so after a few months, I went on faith and stopped taking the prostate medication, and just took Ostarine, a multivitamin (A, B, C, D, E, iron, magnesium, chromium, iodine, selenium, etc.), CoQ10, fish oil, and alternating days of Calcium or Zinc. After about a year, the doctor said I didn’t have a prostate problem anymore and that I could stop taking the medication. I didn’t tell them that I stopped taking it months prior. These days, I take those vitamins every day, and Ostarine once every 2-3 days.

    Some things for you to watch out for: During this time, I grew bone spurs on my right kneecap and on a few vertebrae, which gave me a lot of strange cramps and stiffness. I also experienced a reduction in the frequency and stiffness of my erections. It’s hard to say whether these issues were caused by my urinary infection, my prostate enlargement, the prostate medication, Ostarine, or if it is just me getting older. But I just wanted to relay this on to readers for your information. You may want to watch out for these things and compare my experience to your own.

    Also, through my personal experience, I’ve found a few other health related connections to certain foods/supplements.
    — Alinamin can prevent me from feeling tired during the day.
    — Calcium (including antacids) taken before bedtime can prevent my limbs from twitching and help me relax before falling asleep.
    — Chromium can improve my digestion. I get fewer stomach aches and hershey squirts.
    — Vitamin C (e.g. lemon juice, orange juice) decreases the frequency and duration of illness (colds, flu, various infections), including rhinorrhea.
    — Zinc improves sperm volume.
    — Eating some black sesame sauce (黑芝麻醬) on toast for breakfast can prevent me from feeling hungry all day, even when I’m fasting all day.
    — Chinese medicine helps regulate mood and temper.

    BTW, I just turned 50 two weeks ago.

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    • Oscar says:

      All this talk about magnesium, selenium, chromium, zinc, etc., and all I can think of is their properties as alloying materials in steel. I am clueless about what they do in my body. Thanks to you and Scott for the info.

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    • thedeti says:

      There’s only two causes of urinary tract infections in men: STIs, and prostate problems. And if you had a UTI that was so severe you had to be hospitalized, that’s the prostate. Chlamydia and gonorrhea will not put you in the hospital.

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    • Sharkly says:

      Jack,
      Hopefully you did your own research, before taking my recommendations. Everybody should. One thing I might tell people is that SARMs, just like anabolic steroids, are something you need to cycle off of. And you need to be off of them much more time than you are on them. For most SARMs the recommended cycle length is around 6 to 12 weeks. Then it is recommended to take some Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT) to get your natural hormone production back up and running at full strength. Even though SARMs are by definition not steroids, they create many of the same effects by how they mimic androgens/steroids at select androgen receptors. As a result, like steroids, they will trigger the shut down of your body’s androgen production over time. An 8-12 week cycle of SARMs and weightlifting can easily give you the same muscle building results you might otherwise get from a year or more of working out naturally. But don’t get “greedy” and take them for too long or with too short of a PCT in between cycles, because you’ll be ramping up your risk while getting diminished returns.

      The prostate shrinkage I mentioned will happen quite rapidly, in under three months. I don’t think SARMs like Ostarine will continue to shrink your prostate, beyond the degree to which it was swollen solely by hormonally induced Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH). I personally would not recommend anybody stay on even the mildest SARMs for longer than 16 weeks.

      Warning: Quite a few things that get called SARMs are not actually Selective-Androgen-Receptor-Modulators (SARMs). I personally would also stay away from Andarine (S4) due to the pervasive reports of serious vision side effects that are to be expected while taking it. While they will most likely entirely clear up after going off of it, I won’t be taking that chance. I’ve noticed a little bit of intraocular pressure from other SARMs and that can also contribute to headaches. If you notice it, just dial down your dosing. Also try to find a well vetted source for your “research chemicals”, as there are many shady purveyors of these grey-market unlicensed products, selling bogus product or different products fraudulently labeled as SARMs.

      I’ve tried the following three SARMs:

      1) Ostarine (MK-2866) is probably one of the safest SARM’s, with the most testing, and widespread use. It was originally created with the intention of treating Osteoporosis. It helps to strengthen not only your muscles but also cartilage, tendons, ligaments, and bone. For many older lifters those things as they relate to the body’s joints are their limiting factor. So that makes Ostarine a great SARM for folks with nagging joint or lower back issues. However because of how it affects osteoblasts and osteoclasts to generally increase bone formation and bone density, it would not be surprising if taking it for an extended period of time might possibly increase your risk of developing bone spurs.

      2) Ligandrol (LGD-4033) is assumed to be a fairly safe SARM primarily used for quickly building muscle bulk.

      3) Testolone (RAD-140) is a bit riskier, and seems to be a close mimic to Dihydrotestosterone (DHT). I do not recommend this one. It shut down my Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis (HPTA) androgen production hard and fast. However, it did have the nice effect of making my muscles contract harder. My lifting strength went up by at least 10% on all my lifts in less than two weeks, without actually building much new muscle. For example if your bench press is plateaued and stuck at around 300 pounds, in two weeks you could be bench pressing 30 more pounds with zero change to your routine or diet. However when you inevitably have to go off of it, not only might you temporarily have some degree of reduced erectile function generally tapering off for about the same length of time as your on-cycle, but you’ll lose all of the temporary strength gain, that was just due to the RAD-140. I would suspect that due to its much harder suppression of your HPTA, by using RAD-140 you are more likely to retain some permanent suppression of your HPTA, like most steroid “abusers” develop. I’d only ever advise to use it briefly if you were about to compete in a non-drug-tested strength competition.

      Also, whatever the Gym-Bros recommend, dosage wise, I’d recommend doing only about 1/2 or 2/3rds of that amount, and shave a week or two off of their longer cycle times. And if you have bad side effects, either quit or taper your dose down. Also, your nuts should not hurt. If you feel a bit of pressure in your testicles, that’s OK, but if you feel pain in your nuts, you are having your HPTA shut down, and for most people that risk isn’t worth it. I’d like to try to keep my HPTA doing its job for many years to come. If you’re already on Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) then that’s a whole different ballgame.(pun intended) You have less to risk by using SARMs or anabolic steroids, because your TRT majorly suppresses your own under-functioning HPTA already, since testosterone is an anabolic steroid. Also note that the TRT could possibly reduce the amount that Ostarine will shrink your prostate.

      Also if you’re recovering from a surgery or an injury, I’d recommend the peptide TB-500. For me it worked way better than the peptide BPC-157. The systemic healing and inflammation reduction from TB-500 is so quick that it seems almost magical. And coupling it with a SARM can create a synergy to get you back to your old strength amazingly fast.

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    • Sharkly says:

      I’ll just add that I would not recommend SARMs to anybody who is not serious about doing heavy resistance training while on them. You’ll get the potential downsides without getting hardly any of the upside. And I also would warn anybody younger than 30 to refrain from them, most especially during their growth and puberty phase of life.

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  3. Maniac says:

    The yellow vision tint is a side effect of Anadrine/S4.

    With the warmer months around the corner, I’m itching to try Ostarine and RAD-140. But most of the trustworthy online vendors use those “third-party” payment processors that I steer clear of. Any help from you guys would be appreciated.

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    • Scott says:

      Call Total Nutrition in Great Falls Montana

      (Google it)

      The guys name is Jake. He’ll take your info and text you a pic of the CC receipt and the exact product he’s sending you.

      Tell him the crazy ex-military forensic psychologist in Helena referred you.

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      • Maniac says:

        Hi again. Jake claims that the SARMs he sells are from a different company than the ones pictured in this post. Is he trustworthy? He seems wishy-washy.

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    • Scott says:

      The code phrase is youreg@yifyoudontlift

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  4. Gunner Q says:

    I watched Athlean when I got into weights after my back problems began. He and Jeremy Either are really good.

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  5. lastholdout says:

    I’m reluctant on the supplements. I’m never gonna be “ripped”, nor do I want to be — just in good form. I’m 62 years old, 6′ tall, weigh 178 (3 lbs over my college weight), 33 inch waist (1 inch over my size in college), and am keeping up in the gym: 1 hour workout 3x a week. I look 10 – 15 years younger than my age (I have been consistently told). No drugs or supplements. A lot of it comes from genetics. I have my dad’s genetics to thank for that. He’s 94, has the mental acuity of a 50 year old, and is living on his own and walks regularly, taking in a mile or more, and still exercises/lifts (as much as a 94 year old can). Genetics determines a lot of things. I’ve seen guys hardly lift and they build up quickly. I’ve seen other guys who can lift 24/7 and . . . nothing. I feel good and my girlfriend is crazy about how I look. 🙂

    Scott, thanks for the video. What he says makes sense. I have been wanting to work on my shoulders, but know that doing them wrong can mess them up — especially at my age. (Always Form over Factor.) I’ve saved the video and am going to start on them with his guidance.

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  6. Scott says:

    In case it matters, I have basically no side effects during the two cycles (a slightly different blend the first time).

    The closest thing I have had to a side effect is slight bloating in the morning before I do my business.

    Other than that it’s all positive

    The gains in strength and size have been substantial and the mid section is finally looking the way I want it to. I have never been over 215 with a 33 waist like I am now.

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  7. Scott says:

    On a totally unrelated note, Jack– I really like the idea of tagging these posts with themes. Since this a blog for men, here are the categories I think would be cool to see articles broken down into. (My humble suggestion.)

    Calculated risk taking
    Courage
    Personal sacrifice for a greater purpose (Teamwork)
    Accountability
    Controlled strength
    Stoicism
    Honor
    Wisdom
    Protecting the weak
    Truth telling
    Mercy (i.e. letting up when your opponent is down and has had enough)
    Justice
    Technical proficiency (being able to make a f#%&ing picture appear in a blog comment)
    Competence

    …anyway, those are my favorite masculine character pursuits. There are more, but they have all been pretty much lost in the sauce of the sitcom retard dad land we live in.

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      That’s a great list Scott. Not all of them are uniquely male, but all are certainly predominantly what we associate as being biblical masculinity.

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    • Jack says:

      Scott,
      As this blog has grown over the years, I’ve recognized the need to recategorize everything, not by the nature of the subject (as it is right now), but something more reader friendly — geared more towards what readers would want to find and be interested in reading.

      I’ve not done this yet for two reasons.

      1) It’s a big job. There are 670 posts here right now. All of them would need to be skimmed through, assessed for readers’ interests, and relabeled.
      2) It’s hard to decide on what the new categories should be. Your comment offers valuable feedback for this purpose.

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