Jesus and Women

It’s in the Bible!

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Author’s Note: This post expands an earlier comment and is coauthored with Jack.
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Jesus was Self-Confident

Here’s what we know about Christ’s relationships with women: He had a few in his life. He loved them. He cared for them. He showed compassion for them. When he saw friends weeping over Lazarus’ death, he wept with them (and then He took care of business). But – he never submitted to any of them – not even to His own mother, the venerated Mary.

Jesus exercised absolute lordship over women. He never let a woman tell Him what to do or what He should have done. Remember Mary and Martha:

  1. Martha telling Jesus “Hey Jesus! I’m busy in here! Tell my sister Mary to get in here and help me!” Jesus rebuked her gently and corrected her: “Martha, you worry about so many things, But Mary has chosen what is most needful.”
  2. Mary and Martha urgently sending for Jesus when their brother Lazarus was sick. “Jesus, come now.” He waited 2 days and let Lazarus die. So when he got there, the very first thing Martha says is “Well, hell, Jesus. If you’d been here when I asked you to come, Lazarus wouldn’t have died!” (and then she checks herself…) “but I know that if it’s Your will, Lazarus will live.”

He was always in charge with and around them. He told women what to do and they did it. His own mother at the wedding said, “Jesus, they’re out of wine.” Jesus told her: “Woman, this has nothing to do with Me.  It’s not My time yet.” Mary then said to the servants: “Do whatever He tells you.”

He didn’t take women seriously. He told women who’s who and what’s what:

  1. The woman with five husbands – he showed her compassion but firmly rebuked her.
  2. The woman caught in adultery – he was compassionate with her, but then told her to “go, and sin no more”.

Jesus, Lord of Frame

Jesus was the undisputed master of the reframe. Every time someone said something, Jesus’ response was a paraphrase of “I reject your frame and substitute My own perfect one.” or “Here’s My frame. You need to get with My program.”

No one could “gotcha” Jesus, though they tried.

Pharisees: “Which is the greatest commandment?”
Jesus: “I see what you’re trying to do there. Here’s everything: Love the Lord with all you’ve got; love your neighbor as yourself. There. That sums up the Law and the prophets.”

Pharisees: “Hey. We saw You healing at the temple on the Sabbath. That’s work, and You’re not supposed to be working on the Sabbath!  Hypocrite!  False prophet!”
Jesus:My Father has been working until now, and so I am working.”

Jesus Tested Women

Western churchianity is loathe to point this out, but Jesus took women to task, and made sure they were worthy of what they asked of Him, and were ready to receive with thankfulness. He did this as a regular matter.

Take for example, the woman with the demon possessed daughter.

Woman: “Jesus, heal my daughter!” (Christ ignores her and says nothing.)
Disciples: “Lord, send her away, she’s annoying us.”
Jesus: I was sent only for Israel’s lost sheep.
Woman: (kneels before Jesus) “Lord, help me!”
Jesus: “It is not right to take children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
Woman: “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” 
Jesus: “Woman, you have great faith! Your daughter is healed.”

Another example of Jesus “testing” women was his exchange with the woman with the issue of blood:

Jesus was moving through a crowd. A woman who has been bleeding for 12 years, sees Him and thinks, “If I can just get close and touch Him, I’ll be healed.” She came up behind Jesus and touched the fringe of His clothes, and was healed immediately. He said, “Who touched Me? I perceive that power has gone out of Me.” She was afraid, but knelt before him and said (paraphrasing), “I did, because I’d heard about Your power and You healing people just by touching them, and I figured if I could just touch You I could get healed.” Jesus replied, “Daughter, your faith has made you well.  Go in peace.”

That’s a woman knowing what the test is and passing with flying colors. The test is “Do it My way, get with My program, step into My frame.” She did it His way: Believe, step out in faith, and act on that faith. She submitted to him, visibly: She knelt in front of Him and explained what she did and why. He recognized her and told her she passed the test, and was rewarded for it with healing and being called “Daughter”.


Did Jesus have sex with women? We do not know whether He did or not. We take it on faith that He did not because we have no record of His taking a wife and Scripture is silent on it. Tradition says He neither married nor had “carnal” knowledge. There is a gap in descriptions of His early life between ages 12 and when He began public ministry at 30. We know – we take it on faith – He was, and is, the perfect Man, the God-Man.

Christ lived out the perfect example of masculinity, including His masculinity in relationship to women.

  • You love, care for, and trust, the women closest to you; all others can pound sand.
  • You decide which women you love, care for, and trust by testing them.
  • You make them prove their worthiness of your love, care, and trust. When they pass the tests, then you love, care for, and trust them. At that point, it’s about lordship. Control. Mastery. Firm and gentle rebuke.
  • Women don’t run you or your life.
  • Women don’t tell you what to do; you tell them what to do.
  • You come when you decide it’s time.
  • You go where you decide to go, when you decide to go.
  • You do what you decide needs to be done for the greater good and for the purposes you have deemed necessary and proper.

Women you don’t love, care for or trust – who cares about them or what they do? Until they pass the tests, you’re indifferent to them. You don’t tell them anything, help them, do anything for them, or give them any mental or emotional effort whatsoever. You have nothing whatsoever to do with them. You keep them out of your life.


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43 Responses to Jesus and Women

  1. Ed Hurst says:

    This is where we divide from the rest of the Red Pill community. For us, it is irrelevant whether every girl wants us to be her man. Only those who come under our moral covering will get any attention, and that covering rests on the Covenant. We have to keep ourselves inside the boundaries of the Covenant, and we demand women respect those boundaries upon which our whole lives depend.

    The reason this sounds so harsh to many in our world today is that things are far, far outside the Covenant boundaries. It’s not about dominating women, but bringing them back under the Covenant that reflects God’s own heart, and reflects the nature of Creation itself.

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    • feeriker says:

      The singularly unpleasant aspect of this is that an apparent majority of women, to judge from their behavior, reject the Covenant out of hand. Many of these same women still label themselves as “Christ followers.”

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      • thedeti says:

        This is because most women see God as a celestial short order cook who exists to give them what they want when they want it. Cosmic Santa Claus to bring them gifts. Such is what the “prosperity gospel” hath wrought. “Name it and claim it.”

        “Father God, make me lose 50 pounds without doing any work!”
        “Father God, bring me a husband!”
        “Give me favor with the police/courts/my bosses/my employer/my ex husband!”

        As for how they see Christ: “Jesus is my boyfriend.”


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      • Jack says:

        Over at Spawny’s Space, RichardP told a story about how a wife gathered with her children to pray and ask God if they should leave her husband. It’s like they don’t have a clue!

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        Churchianity is all about emoting.


      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Your analysis would seem to fit well with men being naturally more goal and task driven in life and women being more relationally driven in life.

        You left out one of my favorites. “Ladies, you need to remember that you are the pearl of great price. So wait for who God has for you!” I think this is a Beth Moore sentiment.


      • info says:

        The bridal mysticism of the Middle Ages seem to make our LORD out to be a K-Pop Idol:

        “Medieval eros, which delighted in bright colors and knights who received
        wounds of love, is prominent here. Christ had revealed himself to Gertrude
        “a youth of about sixteen years of age, handsome and gracious. Young as I
        then was, the beauty of his form was all that I could have desired, entirely
        pleasing to the outward eye.”24 Hildegard of Bingen carries the erotic imagery a little farther in her song “O dulcissime amator,” in which she addresses Christ: “O sweetest lover, sweetest embracer. . . . In your blood, we are joined to you, with nuptial rites, scorning men, and choosing you.”25”

        Click to access ChurchImpotent_Chapter6.pdf

        Not as a fully mature Man with a deep baritone, healthy musculature and full beard. This bridal mysticism has infected the Church for 800+ years at least in the West.


    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      From a practical standpoint I think it is very relevant that many girls want a guy to be her man. This is a sign of the feminine being attracted to the masculine. That PUA’s honed in on the outward trappings of what masculinity looks like to fool women into bed, should be where, as you wrote, “we divide from the rest of the Red Pill community”.

      The more I research and ponder the topic, the more I am convinced that being “toxically” masculine is a very big piece of what is missing in our covenant marriages. This is so to their detriment. I know it has been to mine and I know that the tide did not begin to turn with Mrs. Apostle until I changed my behavior. When I did that her behavior began to change too. It was in small increments at first, but the signs of change were there.

      Looking back, the changes I made moved me in the direction of being more masculine in my interactions with her. I had not found the Red Pill writings at the time, or even considered the role being masculine plays in marriage, but by God’s grace, this blind squirrel found a nut. Which goes to show that if you can look past the RP tactics and distill what the real source is that they are trying to emulate, you have a good basis for leading (dragging) your wife into her role in a Covenant relationship with you.

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      • anonymous_ng says:

        @RPA –

        “From a practical standpoint I think it is very relevant that many girls want a guy to be her man.”

        This is a big problem. She should have the attitude, “I want to be his woman.”

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        This is a great point on how a subtle shift in language, and identifying the inherent underlying belief, is so important. The way you stated the matter is from the point of a woman admitting she is the possession of a man, which is the correct posture for covenant marriage, where the way I stated it was from the blue pilled orthodoxy that the women has the power. This very concept of adjusting the internal mindset to the point that language naturally flows from it is one of the aspects of who I have been that I recognized I needed to change in myself. As you can see, it is hard to change and I make mistakes. The good news is that they are less frequent.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “This is a big problem. She should have the attitude, “I want to be his woman.””

        This made me pause. This is a statement that I rarely hear these days on clips or otherwise, or have even heard during my adult lifetime, from the lips of women. Interesting!

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      • anonymous_ng says:

        @RPA, what you wrote reminded me of something Rollo has written, that men should have a self-focused perspective on life. We know that he is wrong, and we are to have a God focused life, but he is not wrong in that after God, our own focus should come next, not a focus on women.

        If I recall correctly, he uses as an example complimenting a woman on her dress — “That dress looks good on you.”,/i> This is an example of being woman focused, versus — “I like how that dress looks on you.” This is man focused. It side-steps what anyone else thinks and instead focuses on what the man thinks.

        I think this is part of the toxic masculinity it is worthwhile to reclaim.

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      • Jack says:


        “…Rollo has written, that men should have a self-focused perspective on life. We know that he is wrong, and we are to have a God focused life, but he is not wrong in that after God, our own focus should come next, not a focus on women.”

        Either God focused or self-focused, and no matter who says it, Rollo, or RPA, or whoever, I think this auto-motive abundance mindset is a fundamentally true aspect of masculinity.

        “This is man focused. It side-steps what anyone else thinks and instead focuses on what the man thinks.”

        This kind of attitude is often dismissed as egotistical and “toxic”, and it does appear that way to someone who is not used to it. The problem is, that would be most people these days.


      • Red Pill Apostle says:


        “If I recall correctly, he uses as an example complimenting a woman on her dress – “That dress looks good on you.” This is an example of being woman focused, versus – “I like how that dress looks on you.” This is man focused. It side-steps what anyone else thinks and instead focuses on what the man thinks.”

        This is a lesson I garnered from my emails with Mike Davis. The language is so subtle, yet conveys enormous meaning in how a man views himself. It is also a subtle conveyance of order that most people unconsciously internalize. “I like how that dress looks on you” is one small example of this. In that statement you can see that the husband is the one guiding the ship (headship) and he is saying whether or not his wife’s appearance is an asset to his life’s mission or not. Which brings me to a truth often scoffed at in modern times, namely that a wife being pleasing in appearance to her husband is part of her helping him on his mission.

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      • Jack says:

        “…the tide did not begin to turn with Mrs. Apostle until I changed my behavior. When I did that her behavior began to change too. It was in small increments at first, but the signs of change were there.”

        I think it is important for us to investigate what kinds of small changes men need to make in their behaviors.

        Since this topic of man focused vs. woman focused viewpoints being expressed in speech came up, I’ve been doing a little experiment with my wife. In the past, she had a habit of texting me during the day, saying things like, “Let’s do X tonight” or “Let’s eat Y for dinner.” I don’t really have a preference about these things, because I think the time spent together is more important than what we do or what we eat. So I would simply reply “OK, sounds good.” But this week, whenever she says things like this, instead of blandly agreeing with her, I’ll make up a plan that is slightly different, and I try to be rather specific. “No, let’s take a walk to the park” or “No, let’s eat dinner at the teppanyaki grille.” So far, she has always responded enthusiastically, and has never been disappointed, nor has she disagreed with my plans. I don’t see much change in her behavior, but I’ll continue doing this and see if there are any further changes.


      • Red Pill Apostle says:


        I will beat the drum again because it sets a good beat. You bring up another topic Mike and I discussed. He always, as I now do, has an opinion on topics and questions. You may not care what you eat for dinner or what you do for entertainment, but you always offer an opinion, because leaders are not passive.

        So when I am asked, “What do you want to do for dinner?”, I have a suggestion even if I don’t care what we eat. She may push back with her preferred cuisine of the night and I can yield (because I don’t care) to her preference, but having an opinion matters because of what that communicates about authority and order. But more often than not, Mrs. Apostle responds well to my opinions, which makes me think that there is an element of relief for the wife when a husband takes the lead even in small matters.

        I have an example of a husband taking the lead and offering his insights from a man I’ll talk with regularly. A person in the wife’s extended family is having family drama and there are group emails documenting that drama that the wife gets. The husband saw that reading them negatively affected his wife, and as an extension his family, and decided on a course of action to tell her that she should not read them anymore. He also told her he’d email her family to let them know she shouldn’t be included in the group email. Because it’s her extended family he was prepared to deal with a list of protests, but when he talked with her she did not protest at all. Instead she expressed relief because he gave her the cover to not deal with it anymore.

        Men, your opinions and your vision for your family matter more than you think.


    • rontomlinson2 says:

      Pardon my ignorance but what is the Covenant exactly? Can anybody point to a decent summary?


  2. feeriker says:

    “This is because most women see God as a celestial short order cook…”

    I’ve always liked the term, “cosmic butler/vending machine.”

    If you want to see a “Christian” woman short circuit and go into complete meltdown, tell her to be prepared for God to give her/do for/to her what she needs rather than what she wants. Also, try telling her that the former is something that is very likely to not only bear no resemblance whatsoever to the latter, but likely to be something that she won’t like at all. The reaction is breathtaking to behold.


    • thedeti says:

      Paul did say that God supplies all our needs according to His riches and glory. Didn’t say anything about giving us everything we wanted.

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      • Jack says:

        “Paul did say that God supplies all our needs according to His riches and glory. Didn’t say anything about giving us everything we wanted.”

        This is what I believed for most of my life. But lately, I’ve been learning that you can’t just stuff your desires and never face it, because then it comes out in other ways (which are usually less favorable). I wrote about this in a recent post, On the Discernment of Desire. I think there is a difference between what we want (a cognitive issue), what we need (an existential issue), and what we desire (maybe an identity or self-discovery issue???). I’ve also heard it said that “God always gives you the desire of your heart, whether you like it or not!” I am slowly coming to believe that God does grant us the desires of our hearts, and I’ve experienced this in a few areas of my life.


      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Jack – Consider that those desires we have may very well be things God has given us passion for as part of what He wants us to do in life. If so, then desires and needs are often linked.

        Another angle to consider about God not giving us everything we want is our myopic view of the universe. We can think that we desire a certain outcome, but because our view is so restricted, we may be missing aspects of that outcome that would be bad for us or bring unhappiness. The shorter way to put this is that in His omniscience and love for His children, God protects us from ourselves which includes restricting us from some things we think we desire.

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    • Random Angeleno says:

      Jeremiah 29:11 is catnip for the churchians. Chicks gonna chick. Yes that’s harsh but it’s true often enough to be noticed by the aware. As Roissy said, a man has to have hand to overcome that. For RPA, that meant (re)introducing his wife to his “toxic” masculinity.

      From other corners, I’ve come to understand just how destructive being conflict avoidant is to long term relationships and marriage. That was my nature and I have a failed engagement and a failed marriage to show for it. I’ve since learned that a man has to embrace conflict and use it as an opportunity to reset the frame. Further, there is no rest from this requirement; it has to become second nature. This is part of the “burden of performance” as written about elsewhere. Marriage resets are not going to happen in any other way. For which we are grateful to have some examples of resets from other commenters.

      This was an excellent comment by Deti and it’s good that it was brought back as a post. Too often, we’ve seen taught the wishy washy Jesus, peace and love, meek will inherit the earth, etc. Previously I could only think of Him chasing the money changers from the temple as His big assertive moment. But Deti is correct, one has to look at the context of Jesus’ interactions and there is that pattern of masculinity I never saw before: Jesus repeatedly rejecting the frame aimed at Him and substituting His own. Not just with respect to women, but also with respect to authorities. Jesus simply doesn’t accept anyone else’s frame, not even His mother’s. Because He’s on a mission. Boys need to be taught this perspective, that makes for a relatable example.

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  3. feeriker says:

    “Over at Spawny’s Space, RichardP told a story about how a wife gathered with her children to pray and ask God if they should leave her husband.”

    An example of the fruits of churchianity’s refusal to confront women’s sins.


    • thedeti says:

      And an example of churchianity’s complete convergence.

      The Book of Oprah.

      The eleventh commandment: “Thou shalt not judge.”

      The twelfth commandment: “Thou shalt not have low self esteem.”

      The thirteenth commandment: “Thou shalt be true to thyself.”

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  4. surfdumb says:

    Can I add a 16th? “If thou art a weak man, thou shall shrink and not enjoy the fruits of a strong woman. Thou shall be cursed with a muffin maker in a dress sinning in her servility.”


  5. info says:

    Jesus our LORD is not satisfied by anything short of submission from the Canaanite woman before he would heal them and help them.

    So our God who designed the “Alpha” or Kingly Personality in Men. Himself personified it perfectly.

    Treat him as a King and he will bestow Kingly grace upon you.

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  6. info says:

    Analysis from a Sociologist:

    “Jesus always gets the last word. Not just that he is good at repartee, topping everyone else; he doesn’t play verbal games, but converses on the most serious level. What it means to win the argument is evident to all, for audience and interlocutor are amazed, astounded, astonished: they cannot say another word.

    He takes control of the conversational rhythm. For a micro-sociologist, this is no minor thing; it is in the rhythms of conversation that solidarity is manifested, or alienation, or anger. Conversations with Jesus end in full stop: wordless submission.”

    Nothing short of a personality of a True King. Or as Voxday would say: “Alpha Personality”.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Well….. no. Everything Jesus did in his ministry was to please the Father. It was all done for Him. To taking the cross, to his temptation in the desert……. He quoted scripture, He prayed to and for the Father. His will be done. That’s true humility, respect, and behavior worth following. Jesus told the truth, confronted evil, sin, whatever…. but always…. always had a teaching moment to the people he confronted. Just as a father does to a son. Just as a son does to follow what his father taught him, or expects of him…….. revolutionary indeed.

      An alpha personality by the Red Pill world is sh!tt!ng on anyone and everyone…… having an ego the size of god, and an arrogance that borders on the absurd.

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      • info says:

        “An alpha personality by the red pll world is sh*tting on anyone and everyone……having an ego ther size of god, and an arrogance that borders on the absurd.”

        Godly Masculinity does exist. It exists in Jesus Christ. It is a “Godly Alpha Personality” whether you like it or not. It’s how a True King would act.

        Just like Gravity exists regardless of how you think.

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      • Lastmod says:

        First it was an “Alpha personality”, and I asked question and made a point…. then in your reply, it’s now a “Godly Alpha Personality”, which Vox Day did not say.

        I won’t deny gravity, but I will raise an eyebrow to shifting goalposts.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:


        “An alpha personality by the Red Pill world is sh!tt!ng on anyone and everyone…… having an ego the size of god, and an arrogance that borders on the absurd.”

        This is a valid criticism and ties in with some of what I have been mulling over recently based off of some of your questions and points. I see that much of what is in the RP world is derived from lessons the PUAs learned and tried to teach others. Their stuff is mainly tactics and situational execution with a little fake-it-till-you-make-it mixed in to try and bolster confidence in those who needed it. But is this really masculine or is this being wrapped in the trappings of masculinity to further the goal of getting laid?

        Your observation in the past that the RP based on tactics to get laid is gynocentric, rings true to me. I believe that there is such a state of being masculine, alpha if you will, that does not mean sh!tt!ng on anyone and everyone. This is masculinity that is both strong, courageous and competent in existence with the wisdom combined with reason we see in scripture and the humility that naturally flows from those.

        A good example of what I am thinking about is the centurion in Luke 7. He has command of men and is authoritative. His directions are followed. Yet he is humble enough to understand his place but in the army as a man under authority himself and especially in his relation to Jesus.

        I like to hear your thoughts on the matter. You might come at the subject from an angle I have not considered.

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      • Lastmod says:

        RPA….. okay. About that Centurion… After the centurion spoke, Jesus said, not to him… but to the throng of people around him / following him, “I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.”

        Let us remember, the centurion was part of a very hated occupied force. The crowd, many wanting a messiah who was going to kick the Romans out, and establish a “new kingdom” was hoping….. really wanting to believe Jesus was going to be “that real Alpha man” and put this centurion in his place. They were expecting some sort of political debate, they were expecting Jesus to “knock him on his ass” and settle the matter; like real men do right???

        No. In a twist nobody expected, Jesus tells this crowd that He has found “no great faith in all of Israel.”

        The centurion showed that he would do anything to save his friend, or one of his men. When he heard that“this “Jesus” is in the area…”, he thought… “Yes, heard about him, causing a ruckus… He does miracles, so they say.” He tells his servant to “beseech him, and ask him to come.”

        Jesus was not hauled in at the point of a spear. He was not arrested, or bound. He was ASKED if he could or would come. Real “alphas” do as they please, when they want, and exude confidence right???????????? How come this centurion didn’t do that??? He’s a real man, and he tells Jesus about himself. He tells Jesus of his authority and how people listen to him, but he had a RESPECT for a fellow man that he has heard about and who may be able to help him. Even a respect for a fellow man that is “under” him, so to speak, as an occupying force to keep order, and enforce Roman law (mostly ensuring taxes are collected, and keeping order in the province).

        This centurion had faith Jesus could do what he had heard about him to heal his friend / servant. He treated him as such.

        Jesus teaches that this way to the Father would be for all. Not just Jews. Like the centurion asked Jesus to come. Jesus wants us to ASK for him. Jesus in his past actions was not afraid. I am sure if it came to actual blows in combat, the centurion probably could have taken Jesus down. Just a hunch. Jesus also sets the example of different men of different abilities and talents speaking to each other. Notice the centurion didn’t say, “People do as I say. Women fall all over me because of my masculine authority.”

        The centurion had the trust of those he did lead. As did Jesus.

        The crowd wanted what they “wanted to believe”, and Jesus again turned it upside down. Like most Red Pillers…. They WANT to believe in charts, terms, conferences, podcasts, books, and invented terms……. The centurion had what he had by action and deeds…. not words….. and yet Jesus had something he could not attain. An answer. A trust. A belief. A faith that Jesus could do what people had said.

        A Red Piller in general today would mock Jesus. “Heal him, now… Oh, you won’t? I guess you’re a beta chump. Get outta here! You just wasted my time!”

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      • info says:


        It isn’t like that. Jesus exemplifies what the PUAs attempt to imitate. Also, so called Alphas who sh!t on everybody don’t remain in that position for long.

        It’s those who are loyal to their subordinates like Christ who do better.

        Likewise the faith of the centurion is submission. A believing loyalty to a Lord.


  7. Red Pill Apostle says:

    I read a paragraph from Jack Donovan’s “The Way of Men” earlier today that is relevant to Deti’s post. To give context, the book is Donovan’s take on what virtues are uniquely masculine in an effort to discover the base elements that makes a man good at being a man. His arguments stem from an evolutionary viewpoint, he is openly gay and I remember reading that he dabbled in Satanism at one point so there is no churchianity gibberish in his writing. This has made it a very interesting read, even while I think his analysis is off at times because his view is not anchored in God being the patriarch of patriarchs and that men are made in His image. Now that y’all have a rudimentary basis for Donovan’s perspective here is the quote from page 137 of his book.

    “Feminists dismiss biology and ‘outdated’ ideas about masculinity and argue that men can change if they want to. Men do have free wills, and they can change to some extent, but men are note merely imperfect women. Men are individuals with their own interests, and they don’t need women to show them how to be men. Women are not selfless spirit guides who have no interests or motivations of their own. Men have always had their own way, The Way of the Gang, and they’ve always inhabited a world apart from women.”

    This is a reminder that women have their own agendas and we as men should be quite suspect of any female opinions outside of those women who are closest to us. Even with those women close to us, that is those whose interests and motivations should align closely with our own (as in under our headship), their opinions should be carefully contemplated. This is especially true if we are getting a “man up” or “be a better man” opinion. Often those sentiments stem from the base notion that the feminine is the ideal and men are failing to live up to that ideal, when in fact we should reject this thinking outright. Men are created to be and do much more than emulate women and the evidence is that all of feminism orbits women’s jealously of men and their subsequent attempts to be like men.

    We all need to channel our inner Deti with greater frequency. (paraphrasing) Women don’t get to tell men what we need to do and how we need to act in order to be manly anymore. We tried it your way. It. Does. Not. Work. At. All.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “Women are not selfless spirit guides who have no interests or motivations of their own.”

      RPA, this is a interesting statement because when I think of many women’s posts on social media these days, in the background of so many of their posts, seems to be that they see themselves (subconsciously maybe) as the ‘selfless spirit guides’ of humanity. Not with NO interests or motivations of their own, BUT RATHER ‘pure’ interests and motivations of their own (at least purer than men’s). Something along the lines of a secular version of ‘holier than thou,’ as in because I’m a woman with ‘female energy’ (or choose whatever new age trope they’re using that you see so much of these days), that I’m better than the male of the species. In other words, they are inherently the SUPERIOR gender because they, as opposed to the male of the species, are the ‘selfless spirit guides’ and the only ones that really know what they are talking about when it comes to relationships. IDK. Just musing out loud a bit here because your sentence resonated with me in some sort or way.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        boomer – The same sentence jumped off the page at me as well. It is why I shared it.

        Donovan, in his secular reasoning (he writes that he has been a non-believer in God all his life) comes to a conclusion that women act in their own self interest too. Dalrock’s take on the matter is his epitome against chivalry and romantic love. The logical disassembly of chivalrous love may not say the words as directly as Donovan does, but the underlying premise is that women are not the paragons of virtue they would like you to think they are.

        We have discussed many of the contributing factors for why women feel superior, so I won’t rehash those here. What I find very interesting is that Donovan can observe the current state of affairs and correctly deduce that women, as people, are selfish actors, and that yielding to their motivations has not been good for men, and as such is bad for civilization itself. Yet, the vast majority of preachers and biblical scholars can study the wisdom of the ages contained in the Bible and read in plain language about common sins of women and then find ways to either excuse them or blame men for them. They do this in their “Be better men” sermons.

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