She don’t need no man! Except…

…when desire strikes, or her world comes crashing down.

Readership: Men
Reader’s Note: This post concludes the theme for August, “Snickerdoodles – Case Studies of Female Failures”.
Length: 1,800 words
Reading Time: 6 minutes

“I Don’t Need No Man!”, she says

In spite of all the sadness and heartache that is common among women these days, I’ve gotten the impression that women basically just want a man for entertainment, for affirmation, for spots on dinners, cash and help, and for sex. We don’t hear too many women expressing their needs for affection, love, kindness, masculine strength, meaning, protection, status, and so on. Although women will seldom overtly mention any of these needs, there is ample evidence that they are lurking beneath the Maybelline photo enhanced façade. But modern women have developed a peculiar habit of assiduously avoiding any semblance of humility, and so it is difficult to address these needs.

The theme for the month of August was “Snickerdoodles – Case Studies of Female Failures”. One of the statements the readers may have heard or read over and again this month is the faux hope of denial that is conveyed in the overused cliché, “I don’t need no man”.  Note the double negative, which presumably means a positive. But if we assume the intended sentiment is an accurate inference, then if women “don’t need no man”, then why do they continue to pursue high value men?

Let’s break this pathetic gaslighting down into digestible statements.

I don’t need no man… except when I can’t pay all my bills.

I don’t need no man… except when I need house repairs done.

I don’t need no man… except when I feel fearful and insecure.

I don’t need no man… except when I want attention and validation to set my ego at ease.

I don’t need no man… except when I’m alone in the middle of the night, feeling lonely and horny.

I don’t need no man… except when my best friend has one that makes me envious.

I don’t need no man… except when I’m deliriously drunk at a dance club.

I don’t need no man… unless he’s 6-6-6 (6 feet tall, makes 6 figures, and has at least a 6-inch dong).

I don’t need no man… unless he’s soft in my solipsism, and hard in my humidor.

I don’t need no man… except when I am finally ready to have a big wedding day.

I don’t need no man… except when I’m ready to have a baby.

Moreover, women have a subtle way of acquiring their needs from men without letting men being very well aware of it. Meanwhile, women have succeeded in making men do all the work, shouldering all the responsibility, and taking all the blame. This has to stop. Women should be asking for these things from men.

The Essence of Denial

So what we find is that women who cling to this cliché are in a state of proud denial. But deep inside, they are extremely sad. Instead of clinging to these lies and working themselves into a mad frenzy trying to make ends meet, what would really help women is if they were honest with men about what they wanted and needed. Of course, this is not enough by itself, but it is a good start on the path of truth.

It also helps when men are aware of what is being denied, how the denial is presented and appears to our impressions, and why women cling to this modus operandi, as this would give them the insight they need to deal with this gainsay in the event that it becomes an issue that must be addressed. The posts this month have given us the eye bleach necessary to recognize all these aspects.

This month, we’ve had posts describing the lies and false promises foisted upon women.

We’ve had posts about the relationship marketplace, how debased and transactional it is, and the lengths women are willing to go to conceal their various ego replenishments, whitewash their faux pas, and advance their market position.

We’ve had a series and two posts describing three women who wasted their lives chasing after false notions and who refused to humble themselves enough to enter into the peace and rest that a relationship could offer.

The Sadness of Denial

When I first started planning this month’s theme, I expected it would be entertaining and insightful. But now that the essays have been written and posted, and after seeing the voluminous discussions thereof, I find that it has not been lighthearted at all. Instead of being diverting, it has engrossed us with a glance into the abyss. After seeing the barebones buckskins of dazed and confused women wandering in the smoke and ashes of a deeply broken society, I’m stricken with sadness, grief, guilt, and shame. Now, I find it completely inappropriate to cast snickers at doodles. So now I must urge readers to grieve over the damn!ng effects of the lies that have overshadowed western culture for most of our lives, for the lost hopes, lost innocence, and the lost souls.

If all of the above essays weren’t enough to convince readers of the sad state of women today, I’ll offer this video.

I can’t watch this video more than once, because it reeks of the copacetic sadness of ħɘ11. But that’s the exact reason why I posted it here. Women who buy into the world’s deceptions, lie to themselves, deny their need for a man, and try to go through life without embracing their God given desire for intimacy and relationships are bound up and burning in the flames of ħɘ11.

Alexander Grace: To Women Who Say They Don’t Need A Boyfriend (Length: 9:11)

In my opinion, AG is one of the better Red Pill media producers on YouTube. I find his videos to be fairly complete, quite concise, well balanced, and delivered in language that I could share with my BP friends, or my wife or daughters. (He could improve his presentation if he would comb his hair before he hits the record button.)

Notes

“Women are highly social creatures, much more than men. For women, companionship and intimacy are extremely important.”

“No matter what they say, women want to be in relationships, even women who don’t like men. The want to be loved, stroked, listened to…”

One woman who was interviewed said, “I see other people being happy with someone else, and I feel lonely…”

AG points out three kinds of women who say, “I don’t need a man.”

  1. Women who find their own happiness outside of their relationships.
  2. Women who want a relationship with a man, but who are in denial.
  3. Women who are traumatized, broken, and bitter.

Very few women are in category (1). I’ll guess that most women are in (2), and I suspect that a steadily growing number of women are in group (3).

In attempting to pursue misguided Feminist ideals, women are committing violence against their souls.

“The strong feminist woman who claims that she doesn’t need a man is not showing courage, she is showing cowardice. She doesn’t have the strength to honestly look inside herself and see what’s there. She can’t admit what her body craves. She lives in denial. Repressing your true desires is not a path of strength, it’s a path of weakness.”

“True strength and true courage comes from admitting what you are, not denying it.”

AG cites a study reporting that 82% of men and 84% of women said that getting married is important for them.

AG cites another study on 15,000 young people in relationships which found that 83% of men and 88% of women report being very committed to their current partner. 51% of men and 57% of women are almost certain that their current relationship will be permanent.

Additional Thoughts

Some readers might think that AG is offering these statistics to prop up false hopes, but I disagree. I think he is just emphasizing the point that relationships are vitally important to people. This much is easy to understand, as it’s human nature. But I would go a step further to emphasize that they’re frustrated in this endeavor because they’re doing it all wrong. It’s easy to point out the baseline problems.

  1. The heavy emphasis on sex as the source of all meaning in life.
  2. The debasement of marriage.
  3. Marriage, sex, and having children are no longer regarded as concomitant.
  4. Blithe ignorance of the nature of men and women. (Thank you Red Pill!)
  5. Solipsism — the focus on self-fulfillment without any self-awareness.
  6. Young people aren’t attuned to think about the longitudinal outcome.

The common responses to these problems are just as destructive.

  1. Marriage is not taken seriously as an option. It is intentionally postponed and even discouraged because of the near certainty that it will be debased.
  2. Meanwhile, sex is easy to accomplish, especially for a young woman away from home or at college.
  3. Therapeutic Moralistic Deism
  4. The YOLO fluff and other feel-good moxies.

Being raised in an ostensibly healthy Christian home seems to make little difference. We’ve all heard stories of young girls who were raised right, home schooled in a Christian environment, and then they went off to college only to be converted to the Feminist Life Script.

There are many other grievous issues that come up during the implementation of a “remedy” within the context of specific scenarios, including The Learning Psychology of Women who Participate in the Online Amateur Sex Industry (2021 January 13), and The Futility of Justifying the Crash Landing (2021 February 15).

But the fact is that the vast majority of women are unhappier with these arrangements, whether they are willing to admit it or not.

Women who say “I don’t need no man” are liars. According to the archetype, it’s like a man saying, “I don’t need no God”. It’s a denial of the highest order.

Next time you hear a woman say “I don’t need no man”, tell her, “I’m *sorry* to hear that, because I’m a man who needs to be needed by a woman who is honest about her needs.” Then do a hard Next and watch her chase you!

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83 Responses to She don’t need no man! Except…

  1. cameron232 says:

    Depending on what crowd you run in ,the women aren’t even covert about it. Plenty of women we went to school with are quite explicit about wanting love, wanting a man and do not hide their sadness about it – they are quite public – which surprises me given how humiliating that must be.

    The “don’t need no man” and independent-careerism are partially because no fault divorce means women have less security than in our grandparent’s day. Yeah there’s divorce-rape and welfare but that doesn’t always work for them.

    Now women (and their feminism) had a great deal to do with us being in this situation. They wanted an out from “abusive” males, “hell” (Scott’s ex) and, yeah, liberation from dependence on beta males. Men have less to offer so the transaction/exchange of marriage became less equitable (or at least necessary) in their eyes.

    I’m sure it’s tempting to delight in their tears to experience a sort of revenge, but in reality this is not good for society and not good for your children’s future.

    “…then they went off to college…”

    Well there’s their problem right there. Don’t do that.

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  2. Great points. I think category 3 (Women who are traumatized, broken, and bitter) is growing rapidly. When women have dozens or hundreds of partners, at which even the sl*ts of a few decades ago would have recoiled, they are virtually certain to end up there.

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    • cameron232 says:

      Very strong relationship between female n-count and both 5 year and long term marriage stability. This statistical relationship appears to be independent of conservative Christian influences e.g. Christian disapproval of divorce. The relationship is pretty remarkable.

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      • feeriker says:

        And if course it’s a correlation statistic that everyone avoids discussing as much as possible. Might offend the slores (or awaken them to the reality of their futures) and we certainly can’t allow THAT.

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  3. Lastmod says:

    I view trends or stats, and studies as a snapshot. I worked in UCD (User Centered Design) at IBM most of my career. I was a tech writer but we worked very close with this segment of the experience. The tests, studies, and “how” the field engineer used our manuals, or how they navigated looking for the “back” button, or how they interfaced on HOW to find information quickly or navigate. Even in these tests, measurements…… the users would TELL us what we wanted to hear. “Oh everything is fine!”

    Most polls about marriage, dating, and the like, tell the taker of said poll what they want to hear. Barna is conducting a survey on marriage? Well, the results are going to show that “most Americans want a god-centered / faith based marriage”.

    You get it. Also HOW the question is phrased really predicts outcome.

    Remember in the late 1990’s when Limbaugh, and Hannity were telling all older conservative Americans that “the generation coming up is very, very conservative and into traditional American values”? Well….. all the polls and studies said so!

    How did that turn out?

    Hearing it now with Gen Z… “They are conservative, and like traditional roles, and want good marriages, fiscally conservative….”

    Look at Tik-Tok. It tells a totally different story, and all the college acceptance scandals and that one study that discovered that most college students “have no problem with cheating” on tests today.

    The current iteration of young woman saying “they don’t need a man” is just pure backlash because of the fact that so many men are walking away. Also…. watch young women’s ACTIONS. Plenty are hooking up. Plenty are getting sex. They don’t want marriage / don’t need a man because they know the marriage minded men….. many have already gone MGTOW. This is just projected anger on them because Chad won’t commit.

    Since when did we start listening to what women want, btw…………………….???

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    • cameron232 says:

      “Hearing it now with Gen Z… “They are conservative, and like traditional roles, and want good marriages, fiscally conservative….”

      What I am seeing is a small cohort of Gen Z’rs who are reacting against the culture, to some degree online and in some cases in practice. They are trying to recreate a world they never knew but have read about and been told about. It’s not most Gen Z’rs, just a few.

      As DS has pointed out, most people still marry. I work with a lot of twenty somethings now. Many of the women are quite cute (to me anyway) and are marrying non-Chads. The young men (I’m not great at rating male attractiveness) that are average looking to me are marrying cute enough girls. The common thread seems to be that they’re working professionals. If you’re a working class young man, I think you’re screwed outside of fundamentalist church settings.

      Now whether or not these 20 something marriages last is another story. I have seen a number of them fail after about 5 years which fits with F. Roger Devlin’s theory of female serial polyandry (“hypergamous monogamy”).

      From where I am at, your best chance as a young man is either to join a fundamentalist church or to become a working professional — forgive my bringing up of the “get a STEM degree” thing, but the average to decent looking young engineers I work with seem to be getting acceptably attractive wives. The unattractive men seem to be a different story – even the engineers.

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        Most professionals are delaying marriage until their early 30s. Of the guys I know in my peer group, they all end up divorced before the 5 year mark. The non divorced guys I know haven’t reached that 5 year mark yet.

        There are a few exceptions that I think will make it, but I know those guys are in blue pilled marriages that are not healthy for them

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      • cameron232 says:

        @Lexet, I have recently become fascinated with a thought out of F. Roger Devlin’s essay (I keep referring to it in comments).

        The observation that female pair bonding/mating cycle may have a “natural” duration of around 4-6 years, at least for many women. And that Western society tends to encourage female initiated divorce by perpetuating the myth that men are naturally polygamous and women naturally monogamous. When women reach this 4-6 year mark and start to feel discontent and experience a longing for “something” (undefined even to them), it is natural to blame her husband since she understands her nature to be faithful – so in her mind, the problem must lie with him. This encourages the rationalization of cheating and defecting/divorcing. Others have observed this is a common divorce point and this has been observed over a large number of very distinct cultures.

        I also wonder if something similar holds true wrt the perpetuation of the myth of women’s moral superiority in general, i.e. not just the “women are naturally monogamous” part. Dalrock must have covered this at some point, but if women are morally superior to their husbands and nevertheless feel discontent, it stands to reason the fault is with him. Anything is justified so as to not be “trapped in hell” like Scott’s ex was.

        I have observed this 5 year thing quite a bit in real life.

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        Which article is it from him?

        Like

      • cameron232 says:

        Rotating Polyandry and its Enforcers.

        Some have said this article/book review jumpstarted the manosphere.

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      • Jack says:

        Cameron,
        I sent an email to you about this work.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Jack, the email I use is a fake email. I assumed that is permitted. I am toying with the idea of setting up an actual email – the only one I now have uses my real name (“Cameron” isn’t my first name). Is that how guys around here do it? Set up an actual email but using a fake name for the email address?

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      • Jack says:

        Cameron,
        You can have an email account with out any information that can be used to identify you.

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      • Scott says:

        5 years

        Yes, the theory is that 5 years staying hot and super into each other is just long enough to squeeze out a couple of kids and nurture them along beyond infancy. After that, you settle down into non-sexual parenting mode for 15 more years until they are grown. It actually seems fairly reasonable to me. And really depressing.

        It’s the basis for my theory that passion and permanence are more or less dichotomous variables, unless you really fall hard for each other, which is rare.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Yes, the “7 year itch” is often talked about in literature as being 6 point something years but about apparently ~5 years is often when discontentment and longing for “something else” starts. It takes awhile sometimes for a spouse to act on that, longer to get caught and even longer for a divorce to take place. Hence, around 6 point something years shows up as a spike in divorce statistics.

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      • Scott says:

        Yep. That’s what I think.

        The biological bases for behavior are becoming so difficult to ignore, I can’t believe anyone is still a blank slatist.

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      • thedeti says:

        “Yes, the “7 year itch” is often talked about in literature as being 6 point something years but about apparently ~5 years is often when discontentment and longing for “something else” starts. It takes awhile sometimes for a spouse to act on that, longer to get caught and even longer for a divorce to take place. Hence, around 6 point something years shows up as a spike in divorce statistics.”

        The “7 year itch” is usually noticed when the last/youngest child goes to kindergarten.

        Again – this is something that usually arises when the marriage is based on anything other than very strong and sustained sexual attraction from wife to husband. The ONLY thing that keeps marriages together, intact, and healthy, is where the wife’s sexual attraction for husband is so strong that she literally cannot see straight.

        The seven year itch tends not to arise where there is very strong and sustained sexual attraction from wife to husband.

        MEN: Unless you have before you a woman whose sexual attraction for you is literally blinding her and causing her not to think clearly, you MUST avoid any commitments to her. DO NOT commit to any woman who is not sexually attracted to you in this way.

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      • Elspeth says:

        Cameron:

        Between SAM and I, we have at least 6 email addresses; a separate one for everything we do with various names. I like mail.com because they don’t ask you for any identifying information the way the big guys do, and it’s free.

        The one down side (which I recently found out as I tried to open the email connected to my private blog), is that if you don’t check that email account for 6 months, they delete it; if you’re using the free option. That’s why my photo just changed. I had to open a new email account for that blog.

        I keep the same one I’ve had for many years for my main blog, because I still use it correspond with a lot of people I’ve met over the years (many of whom have ceased to publicly comment). If it wasn’t for those people, I would’ve changed that email address as well since it does have my name in it.

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  4. Eric Francis Silk says:

    There’s a Christian version of this I’m sure you’re all familiar with, namely “Jesus Is My Boyfriend”. It works somewhat well for women, at least until they need the car fixed or they get horny.

    For men it doesn’t work at all, since most men aren’t gay and “Jesus Is My Girlfriend” is a complete non-starter.

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    • feeriker says:

      “For men it doesn’t work at all, since most men aren’t gay and “Jesus Is My Girlfriend” is a complete non-starter.”

      Evangelitards seem blind to this, which should give everyone serious pause.

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  5. Lastmod says:

    As for Cameron’s statement on “independent careerism” with women…….. and I am not defending women here per say…. but speaking reality:

    What choice do they have? Really? Most younger men in their careers…. even in the trades don’t start making money… decent money until their late twenties. College educated men……. Let’s assume they make the right choice and go into STEM (even if they HATE it), paying back loans…. getting a foot in the door. Coding doesn’t pay as well as it did fifteen years ago. I was in tech writing. A solid area in high-tech in the 1980’s. By the late 1990’s most of it was off-shored. Wages dropped. Many large mainframe systems were intuitive, and if it failed? You just bought a new one (hardware). The repair man / field engineer even wasn’t as important as they were a decade before. I remember the time if your TV broke, you got it repaired. Today you just buy a new one. I am in property admin now, if an AC unit breaks, or a fan, or a pump…… you don’t repair…. you replace.

    Kind of like our dating scene today? Guy doesn’t fit EXACTLY what you want? Junk him…. The Internet has millions upon millions out there who look great and are cocky-funny. Gal has a red flag? Toss her aside…. plenty of amazing, good Christian women who are hot, virgins between the ages of 18-22 and would have no problem dating a guy who is a 4-5 on the looks scale and still is building his career at 27 (as if).

    The world today is indeed very crass (even in the Christian world), and people have to have some sort of income. I don’t think many women are going to college because “they don’t need a man” and want an “amazing career”. Many are just wanting the ability to provide for themselves because the world right now proves that there is little or nothing aside from inherited wealth, or the luck of marrying a Chad who just-happens-to have a great job at 21, skydives on the weekends, has enough time to work out six days a week, and of course has no character flaws……

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    • cameron232 says:

      Jason, IMO both men and women are guilty of expecting too much in terms of material wealth and stuff. The young, single woman professional who bought the house next door to us a couple of months ago. It’s clear that it’s killing her that she could only afford to buy in a neighborhood surrounded by us bumpkins and not in the snooty DINK (dual-income-no-kids) neighborhood.

      Goes for men too. Every woman has to have a fancy SUV and house that’s twice as big as what my physician grandfather lived in. Every has to have an $80K pickup and $100K boat.

      I agree that jobs don’t pay what they used to in terms of actual spending power but it doesn’t help that people are spoiled – both sexes.

      I think we agree about independent women – they’re not secure without “independence” today’s world – either for their materialism, income realities for men or the dangers of no-fault divorce.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Agreed. In the 1980’s I remember my parents discussing on buying a new car in 1985. The plan was to give me the current family car (the 1981 Plymouth Reliant) when I started driving the following year (I drove that car until 1993 btw). My parents could have afforded a Chevrolet Caprice, even a higher end Honda or Toyota for the time.

        They decided, they would buy a another brand new Plymouth Reliant. It was 15K cheaper than the Caprice and a good 10-12K cheaper than a higher end Honda or Toyota. My mother demanded an FM radio in the car and a cassette player, she would be the primary driver of the car. My dad told her an AM radio would be fine, my mom persisted and she did get that! That was the family car until 1993 as well. It was paid off in two years btw!

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      • Jack says:

        “…independent women – they’re not secure without “independence”

        That’s the crux of the matter. Female “Independence” is an idol that props up the narrative. Yes, an idol. It displaces the proper role of a man in a woman’s life.

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      • Scott says:

        Every single woman I date in graduate school (30 somethings, most of them never married) was hung up on this independence idea.

        Every one of them lived with an underlying terror of being alone (with “alone” having quite a large continuum of meaning) that you could cut with a knife.

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        I think the independent woman mentality is a defense mechanism that manifests when a woman hits her mid 20s and is yet to be in a long term relationship/no kids.

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      • Scott says:

        It was usually imbued in a statement, very early on–even the first date– like…

        “Me and my [son/daughter/cats] have been doing just fine, so I don’t actually need a man in my life. Just so you don’t get the idea I need saving. I have a great life right now.”

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      • thedeti says:

        “Every one of them lived with an underlying terror of being alone (with “alone” having quite a large continuum of meaning) that you could cut with a knife.”

        That “alone” terror came later, from my experience. When I was in school with them, every one of them lived with several underlying terrors:

        1) “settling” for anything “less than the best”

        2) being tethered to a man

        3) having to do what a man tells them to do

        4) being accountable to a man

        5) being expected to “submit”

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      • cameron232 says:

        “settling” for anything “less than the best”

        Rollo:
        Men’s existential fear: “Is the baby mine?”
        Women’s existential fear: “Is he the best I can do?”

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    • redpillboomer says:

      I thought that’s what Tomi Lahren found (and by extension all the Tomi’s out there) — “The luck of marrying a Chad who just-happens-to have a great job at 21, skydives on the weekends, has enough time to work out six days a week, and of course, has no character flaws”, and Ms. Lahren DUMPED him trying to monkey branch to something she considered better (read: had more money than her Chad bf, a giga-Chad I suppose he’d be called).

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  6. Scott says:

    Eric Silk

    Jesus is totally my girlfriend.

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  7. Femmy says:

    I feel sad.

    It’s so stupid.

    And us foolish women are living in a haze of bad air caused by a web of lies. It’s all around me, everywhere I look.

    I’ve noticed over the years that us women see what other women are doing and copy it. To assimilate. To be similar. For friendship. So that we don’t get rejection. And to be trendy. And not be looked down upon.

    Women who do these trendy extroverted things in life ridicule girls who aren’t “modern”.

    So the “good” girl, who went to church, turns 18, wants to do what the most opinionated and mean girl does, in order to avoid rejection and nasty put downs.

    If she goes to college, the opinionated, extroverted, mean girls are the female college professors that tell you off for obeying your father.

    They look down at you for thinking Biblical.

    They look down at you if you are nice. If you are sweet.

    This is real persecution. It feels like constant persecution from Jr high through college.

    There’s a lot of suffering. Either she suffers or conforms. She always feels BAD around the bad girls. There’s this constant pressure from “bad” girls from Jr high on up.

    Most girls conform to the top, extroverted “bad” girls in school.

    The bad girls are followed.

    To fit in.

    We want to fit in.

    We hate social suffering.

    We are mad too.

    Some of us are mad that we have to become bad to fit in. To be accepted.

    Some of us don’t compromise, but we stay mad. Mad at everybody.

    Then there are lots of foolish girls I’ve known who compromise happily, promote the “badness” as if is a good choice, and encourage other “good” girls to follow the “bad” girls.

    Anyway. It all starts in Jr high.

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    • cameron232 says:

      “They look down at you if you are nice. If you are sweet.”

      In my experience, the women who best resist succumbing to this best are the women who value the approval of men over women. Some women naturally seem to be this way and can make good wives.

      But men must make it clear that we prefer the characteristics of nice and sweet. This must be clearly communicated to women who are oriented this way, so they don’t seek male approval in other ways.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “This is real persecution. It feels like constant persecution from Jr high through college. There’s a lot of suffering. Either she suffers or conforms. She always feels BAD around the bad girls. There’s this constant pressure from “bad” girls from Jr high on up.”

      I heard about one girl who made it all the way through her freshman year of college a virgin (good girl upbringing); then sophomore year, the pressure was so great, she lost her virginity to some Chad in the dormitory. She said when she graduated her body count was 20. That’s six to seven men per year for those three years (Soph. to Sr.). Now she’s suffering big time (according to what she said in the clip), and regrets succumbing to all the FEMALE peer pressure to ‘give it up’ and enter the college hook up scene because ‘remaining chaste is so old school, so 1950s. No one does that anymore.’

      I’ve got it that some young women nowadays are so promiscuous, they ride the CC hard throughout their twenties, some even into their thirties, and they don’t seem to care, consequences and body count be damned. However, it always struck me that the average girl, I mean the nice looking girl from a decent family, intelligent, has something going on for herself, reaches her late twenties, early thirties and says something like this to herself, “OMG!!! What have I done?”

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    • info says:

      @Femmy

      “If she goes to college, the opinionated, extroverted, mean girls are the female college professors that tell you off for obeying your father.

      They look down at you for thinking Biblical.

      They look down at you if you are nice. If you are sweet.”

      This is described in the Bible.

      “18 If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. 19 If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
      20 Remember the word that I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well. 21 But they will treat you like this because of My name, since they do not know the One who sent Me.” ~ John 15:18-21

      Being of Christ. We must have no part with Babylon. God already commands in his Holy Scriptures that women are to be Kind and Gentle and Wise.

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      • Femmy says:

        Yes.

        I hated the persecution in Jr high.

        The weakness though was wanting to be liked and accepted. To be friendly to me.

        Women care what other women think of us.

        We want to be friends.

        We were taught, or it was ingrained in us, to be friendly with everyone. Accept and include all.

        But the reality didn’t jive with that.

        So it’s a constant painful struggle. All through life. Like Jack’s wife trying to include Rhianna but struggling with the reality that didn’t jive.

        Then because inclusivity couldn’t happen, clicks formed… in church also.

        And that was painful too.

        So I see we were fed lies?

        Where do these lies come from.?

        And at such an early age.

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      • info says:

        This is the nature of Satan’s world. The moment you are saved. Persecution will come the way of the believer.

        And those who are officially in the church aren’t necessarily in the Body of Christ.

        A wicked world with evil. Leading countless astray into destruction. Satan’s world.

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      • info says:

        @Femmy
        Better to suffer for Righteousness than to do evil. (1 Peter 3)

        Christ was also made complete in suffering (Hebrews 2:10) so that is to be for us his Church.
        Olmstead Baptist Church: We Are Made Perfect Through Suffering

        If you endured in Christ and still did right. God will reward you. For blessed are you who are persecuted for Christ’s sake for yours is the Kingdom of God. (Matthew 5:10)

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    • thedeti says:

      Oh, I don’t know. I think girls get a taste of male attention and absolutely LOVE it. I don’t think women feel bad about this, at least not at first. At first, you all get drunk on the good feelings. Then you get a taste of the immeasurable sexual power you’re born with, and you cannot resist wielding it.

      And then you inevitably break something or burn yourselves with that sexual blowtorch God gave you, and THEN you come running to us men to save you/fix it/pay for it.

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  8. cameron232 says:

    OT: 36% of U.S. 5-11 year old children pre-Covid and 46% post Covid are overweight or obese. 36%!! 46%!!

    Your children (male and female) have a decent chance of being top 20% material if you just instill in them healthy eating habits and basic exercise routines.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2783690

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      Cameron – I had a fleeting thought on the 20% … What if the 20% was an expandable figure based on what you suggested, which is to not get unattractive?

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  9. cameron232 says:

    Comments on the videos.

    In the first video, the rapper one, it’s the classic apex fallacy of a woman who dates alphas and doesn’t think betas are actual human men available to her. Unless you chalk it up to the reality of relationships for black women which is possible. I could see where Ernie-the-Engineer-dorks aren’t an option for the average black woman even if she were open to that option.

    In the second video, it is funny that he believes surveys about (female and male) monogamy but doesn’t have a problem finding a woman who suggests “f_ckbuddies” in the few interviews he did. The fact that young women interviewed have no shame referencing the option of “f_ckbuddies” on camera makes me want to tell my sons to go MGTOW. A young girl here at work (from Boston) liked to refer to “friends with benefits” – I assume that’s common among the young ‘uns.

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  10. Lastmod says:

    Nah…. Scott, if you become single tomorrow (won’t happen) move back to Cali, we’ll be roommates. We’ll go camping and hiking. We could be the Odd Couple for the 2020’s…. broadcast it… We could make a mint.

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    • Scott says:

      The people in California are so flamboyant and dramatic.

      Makes me want to set myself on fire.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Hey….. spoken like a true Californian Scott…. You definitely made it “visual”! lol!

        Love my adopted home state, warts and all! 🙂

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  11. Lastmod says:

    LA v NY or East Coast v West Coast or California v New York or California v The Rest of The USA

    It’s all in good fun. I’ve lived in California for 27 years…. over half my life! Not leaving unless a job, or a pretty English gal convinces me to move over there and sing “God Save The Queen”. 😉

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  12. info says:

    Those who exalt themselves will be humbled and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

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  13. info says:

    “Being raised in an ostensibly healthy Christian home seems to make little difference. We’ve all heard stories of young girls who were raised right, home schooled in a Christian environment, and then they went off to college only to be converted to the Feminist Life Script.”

    I heard from one commentator that a homeschooling family with 9 daughters all who ended up marrying after college probably late in life.

    All of them deliberately had no children.

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  14. thedeti says:

    I am so tired of this “strong independent woman” BS.

    In all my life I think I have met two women who really didn’t need a man and were fully self sufficient.

    When you really drill down deep and talk to unmarried women who claim to be “strong and independent”, you find out that they get other men to make up their financial shortfalls. They are not truly independent. Nearly all of them are dependent on an ex husband paying them child support or alimony or both. Or a baby daddy paying child support. Or a boyfriend they live with or date seriously who pays for things here and there. Or a sugar daddy (most women who have sugar daddies are sugaring because they need the money). Or a series of dates. Or dad.

    Nearly all single women are financially underwater. If some man somewhere wasn’t tossing some cash into the till, they’d be drowning.

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    • Femmy says:

      Yep.

      I know some who are in credit card debt because they can’t make ends meet.

      I was never a strong independent woman.

      And the single women I knew were living with their parent/parents.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Femmy – Those women you know in credit card debt are in debt, in almost all cases, not because they can’t make their ends meet but because they can’t live within their means. Living within your means takes sacrifice and discomfort at times, discipline all the time and those are not things often associated with modern women..

        Mrs. Apostle was very much like this when she was younger. I fought with her for months over finances back in our 20s because she wanted the things she wanted and would just get them. I ended up winning the months long battle to get her on board with budgeting and paying off debt and our family has been immeasurably blessed for over a decade now by not living paycheck to paycheck.

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      • lastholdout says:

        That’s one of the things my wife has always done very well — she’s frugal and knows how to manage money. Thanks to her help, we live within our means and we’ve not had debt (not even a mortgage) for many years.

        Hang in there Femmy and you will be the ruby of Proverbs 31 to your husband!

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “Nearly all single women are financially underwater. If some man somewhere wasn’t tossing some cash into the till, they’d be drowning.”

      This is something I noticed with the late twenty something and thirty something women I knew from that educational program I participated in a few years ago. All ‘strong and independent,’ actually they used the terms Bad B’s or Boss Babes when describing themselves; and yet, when I’d get a ‘peek behind the curtain,’ I’d get the idea that none of them were doing all that well financially. They might be paying the rent, but here’s the kicker, someone was supplementing them: Mom and/or Dad usually, or grandma or someone. In one case it did turn out to be a sugar daddy.

      Even as I was in the last stages of being blue pilled (the red pill was fast approaching), I remember thinking, “Hmm, someone is helping Miss Bad B/Boss Babe to foot those bills; Missy ain’t doing that all by herself, not with the job she has in Human Resources or as a middle school teacher.” AND the lifestyle perks they all seemed to have, i.e. flying across the country to get their yoga certification training, attending two week ‘Soul Camps’ and the like. Oh, and driving the fairly nice new cars they all seemed to have. No way. The math was just not adding up, not without some source other than just Missy’s 55-60k/year HR or teaching job.

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  15. thedeti says:

    Women need men. Women need men DESPERATELY.

    Women have 3 directives, in this order: 1) Get alpha seed to make babies. 2) Get provisioning to take care of said babies. 3) (deployed only if the first and second directive fail) Get provisioning for herself by any means necessary.

    The sources for the seed and provisioning do not need to be the same man. Many times, they are not the same man – a series of alpha men for impregnation, a few beta bitchboi suckers to pay for all of it.

    When left to their own devices, women live life based on feelings and emotions. They don’t think or plan past the next paycheck. They don’t save money, they don’t invest in their futures, they don’t plan to next year, 10 years from now, 20 years from now. They don’t have an overarching vision for how life should look. They don’t have a mission beyond having babies and getting what those babies need. Failing that, their sole mission is to get money to support themselves, from “working” at their “jobs” to sugaring to freeloading off men.

    This is why you DO NOT EVER put a woman in charge of your house or your life. This is why you do not EVER let a woman lead everything. If you do, she”ll enslave you into working for her house and her stuff.

    Women need men because they aren’t anywhere close to as good as men are at getting, saving, allocating, and marshaling resources.

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    • cameron232 says:

      “The sources for the seed and provisioning do not need to be the same man.”

      There is good evidence that historically far more women than men reproduced themselves and depending on the time and place, the ratio can be vastly skewed. It seems the ratios are greater than what you’d expect from formal bigamy/polygyny and higher rates of violent death for men. That implies the “C- word” was not uncommon.

      In the higher-primate world, it has been observed that females mate with alphas around estrus but are sexually receptive to betas at other times, often in exchange for resources. Not saying we’re apes but our biology is closer to them than to other creatures and humans show evidence of being intermediate between “tournament” species (explicit competition with winner male takes all) and monogamous, pair bonded species.

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    • Femmy says:

      What do you mean, “this is why you do not ever put a woman in charge of your house”?

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        What Deti is correctly stating, is that those biological drives God gave women do not lend them to long term planning and having adequate discipline to hold the course. A man would be foolish to turn over the reigns of his household to a woman because God made women to be helpmeets and men to direct their households, which is to have dominion over them. What we find in life is that women tend to have a natural affinity for managing organizations well but not creating them and for making the route to the destination more pleasant, not having the vision of where the destination is. This fits well with how God created us as men and women and the instructions He gives to each gender in the Bible.

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  16. feeriker says:

    “4) being accountable to a man”

    Being held accountable to anybody, period. Women fear and hate accountability like Superman hates and fears kryptonite.

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      Accountability was one of the aspects of Mrs. Apostle that used to drive me crazy. If something bad happened the typical reason was something outside of her control. The interesting aspect of this is that the external locus of control only existed for bad events. If the topic at hand was something good, such as grades or work success, then it was entirely of her own doing. 110% gurrrrllll power.

      I now recognize this inconsistency as one of the weak spots in people in general, but it is one that tends to afflict women in greater numbers. It is probable that men are more consistently held personally responsible for their own behavior and results than women are, which would explain the trend I see.

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    • lastholdout says:

      Accountability for the modern woman is a gaping chasm and deserves at least a month’s worth of posts to unpack.

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      • Femmy says:

        Haha

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      • Elspeth says:

        I feel like I live in the twilight zone sometimes (not just online). I have never known a time in my life when the men in my life did not hold me accountable for my actions. From childhood onward into marriage, it has been thus.

        There was a tiny blip of time when I was considering dating a guy (before SAM turned my head forever and always). He definitely wanted to pedestalize me, but that was it.

        Never really had that “my princess” period that many little girls have. My sister did, but she had a different young childhood than me. I’m used to being called to the carpet, and because of ithat, no matter how much I cringe inside at first, I can suck it up, take the admonishment, confess and try to do better. It doen’t feel good, but excuses and DHMIAG has never been something I have been able to deploy.

        I have an arsenal, but that ain’t it. That dog won’t hunt around here. I have to own my stuff.

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      • feeriker says:

        Creatures that cannot stomach the concepts of accountability and responsibility, much less exercise them, DO NOT deserve to EVER be put into positions of authority, control, or power over anyone or anything. PERIOD.

        Verily I predict that if the Ho (of the duo “Joe and the Ho”) is shoe-horned into Joe’s old sinecure once his usefulness to the Cabal runs out, we will very quickly see her come unglued. Even as a sockpuppet with no real responsibilities she won’tbe able to withstand the pressure of even superficial accountability (note that she’s been in hiding throughout the Afghan debacle). This might actually be a good thing, as the Ho’s complete meltdown will expose the archetype of the “Strong Empowered YouGoGrrrrllll” for the utter myth and fraud that it is and always has been and will hasten the awakening of a very PUBLIC dialog on the unadulterated bullsh!t that is feminism.

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  17. Femmy says:

    “Mrs. Apostle was very much like this when she was younger. I fought with her for months over finances back in our 20s because she wanted the things she wanted and would just get them. I ended up winning the months long battle to get her on board with budgeting and paying off debt and our family has been immeasurably blessed for over a decade now by not living paycheck to paycheck.”

    Mr. Apostle,

    I’m still like this, and I ain’t young.

    Congrats on getting her on the $$$ part of your life. I’m happy for you.

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    • feeriker says:

      “Mrs. Apostle was very much like this when she was younger. I fought with her for months over finances back in our 20s because she wanted the things she wanted and would just get them. I ended up winning the months long battle to get her on board with budgeting and paying off debt and our family has been immeasurably blessed for over a decade now by not living paycheck to paycheck.”

      Being able to successfully train the average woman to be responsible with finances is akin to successfully teaching an alligator to do backflips. Congratulations on your success at doing the impossible!

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  18. Femmy says:

    lastholdout,

    “Hang in there Femmy and you will be the ruby of Proverbs 31 to your husband!”

    Thank you, lastholdout,

    But I’ve hit the wall ages ago and am in “no man’s land”. 😉

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    • info says:

      @Femmy
      Be an example and a shining light to teenage and young women. Mentor them(especially the kind and sweet ones bullied by other girls) so that they won’t fall into darkness and that they end up finding good Husbands at a young age when young and pretty.

      Reach to them with the Gospel to save their souls.

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  19. Femmy says:

    Mr. Apostle,

    “A man would be foolish to turn over the reigns of his household to a woman because God made women to be helpmeets and men to direct their households, which is to have dominion over them. “

    Ahh. I see.

    Thank you!

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  20. Femmy says:

    Mr. Deti

    “This is why you DO NOT EVER put a woman in charge of your house or your life. This is why you do not EVER let a woman lead everything. If you do, she”ll enslave you into working for her house and her stuff.”

    My poor male relative is encapsulated in that statement.

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    • Jack says:

      Femmy,

      “My poor male relative is encapsulated in that statement.”

      Are you proselytizing Biblical Red Pill wisdom to your male relatives? I’m sure they are engrossed. It is a life changing experience.

      Just as a warning, men who come to the Red Pill after a lifetime of believing Blue Pill lies are usually angry and bitter. Similar to the “Cage Stage” of Calvinism, this is a phase and it will pass.

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      • Femmy says:

        Jack,

        "Are you proselytizing Biblical Red Pill wisdom to your male relatives? I’m sure they are engrossed."

        I share gentle hints. I also share that he is not alone. That there are many Christian men in his shoes. That seemed to encourage him. But mostly encourage, in general.

        To my other Christian male friends/relatives, sometimes I’m hard core; to shock them! Haha

        I like shocking my other Christian male friends/relatives.

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  21. locustsplease says:

    The key words I hear are “strong” and “independent”. But women are not physically or emotionally strong. They are not physically or emotionally independent. “Independence” only means they are defiant. I have never met a remotely independent woman in my life.

    The thing about them biting on to this lie is that they bite it just long enough to damage themselves. You don’t see them spitting it out at 22, it’s 42. And no matter whether they spit it out at 30, 40, or 50, it’s too late. My ex is one. Now that reality sets in, she has no one to go on vacation with, no one to eat dinner with, no one to share a few beers with, no one to walk on the beach with… Nope! She’s gonna live by herself until she hits the nursing home. Sounds like fun.

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