The Feminine Secret

Hint: It’s about monopolizing money, sex, power, and control.

Readership: Men
Author’s Note: This post expands and explores a comment from Deti.
Length: 2,800 words
Reading Time: 9.5 minutes

“Mystery is the essence of man’s nature, and whatever presents itself to mankind under a mysterious appearance will always excite curiosity and be sought, even when men are satisfied that the veil covers nothing but a cypher…”

Giacoma Casanova, in The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt (1725-1798)*

Vive le Fantaisie!

In a previous post, 3 Things that Make Women Tick (2020-12-11), Elspeth spilled the beans about what things are most dominant in the feminine psyche.

  1. Social/Familial Acceptance
  2. Men and Sexual Attractiveness
  3. The Fantasy Life/Lifestyle

If we superpose all three into one combination, then it’s easy to see how women desire a Sexual Fantasy Life that is Socially Accepted.

Idealists will point out that the ideal sex for women has elements of desire, emotional intimacy, and security/comfort, with few variations. But due to the nature of various dilemmas that women are faced with, the intensity of some elements are typically dampened by the presence of certain others. (To offer a few examples, social unrest and sexual tension are known to create attraction, but also insecurity. A man’s fawning attention and commitment tends to decrease both his value and the intensity of Tingles he can generate. Sexual fulfillment leads to ennui.) It is nevertheless the case that almost no women can obtain sex that is all of these things from the same man. Hence women’s existential sex problem. As such, a robust fantasy life can never be realized.

So it is a natural result of the curse of the fall, due to various social implications, and the fact that fantasy is not reality, that women cannot ever achieve their ideal fantasies out in the open, and so instead, they attempt to realize a semblance of this fantasy within a select time-space arrangement, only shared with a small clique of a few trusted individuals who are “in the know”. This is where secrecy comes into play.

When it comes to the task of fleshing fantasy into reality, there are two kinds of “dating” that women engage in, similar to how we look at women’s participation in sex.

When it comes to sex, there is “desire sex” — that is, women have sex because they are driven by pure desire/lust for sex with a man — and then there is “other sex”, which can be some mix of comfort/intimacy/transactional/duty, in varying proportions and in various permutations depending on the context, life stage, and so on.

When it comes to dating, there is a similar dynamic at play (not exactly the same, of course, because dating is not sex). There are two types of dating:

  1. “Desire dating”
  2. “Pragmatic dating”

In recognition of the fact that women love opportunistically, Rollo described this as,

“Women only see men as breeding stock or draft animals.”

The Rational Male: Sexual Selection & Existential Fear (2019-04-01)

The former are just hot guys, regardless of where it goes. It would be nice if he turns out to be the love of her life and the complete Alpha Bux/Beta Comfort package, but even if he doesn’t, it’s still pretty d@mned hot. The latter are dates that have a purpose — looking for a guy to fill a role, whether that role is boyfriend (provides social inclusion and entertainment), orbiter (provides attention), husband (provides status and income), companion (for various purposes), vacation tour guide, or something like that.

The former is basically soft polygyny by another name. That is, “desire dating” IS soft polygyny, plain and simple, because the few men involved are not strictly monogamous. Pragmatic dating is not polygyny, because the targeted men involved are a different set of men – the kinds of men who do not have soft harems.

However, women are well aware that they can have all of these things if they are willing to engage in relations with more than one man, separated in the time-space continuum. This is the underlying motivation to the well-known AF/BB mating strategy. It is also soft polyandry, which commonly takes the form of serial* monogamy (which is highly favored by females), but it can also be done in parallel**, and this is what most people think of soft polyandry.

In order to maximize the realization of the Feminine Imperative and minimize the Feminine Existential Fear, women will resort to a personalized combination of soft polygyny and soft polyandry. This will fulfill women’s desire for a Sexual Fantasy Life, one which allows her to feel like it is Socially Accepted, even if only among a few partners.***

This is the Feminine Secret.

* Serial means that the time continuum is separated, but the space may be the same.
** Parallel means that the space continuum is separated, but the time may be the same.

*** Societal forces are now pushing towards the open acceptance of polysexual relationships and others.

The Purpose of the Secret

The overriding purpose of keeping the secret is to control outcome. But there are several other supporting factors.

1. It enables the participants to plan, implement, and prolong their secret activities.

Soft polygyny/soft harems aren’t a topic of critique because women don’t want anyone talking publicly about it outside those “in the know”, the “secret society” comprised of almost all women and about 40 to 50% of men.

2. Speaking of shameful matters invites scorn and criticism, whereas keeping it secret avoids shame and censure.

Women certainly don’t talk publicly about their participation in soft polygyny because of their anti-slut defense, their demand that no one ever judge them for anything they do, and their need to save face and send sexual misadventures down the memory hole. This secrecy also allows them (1) to avoid shame and censure, and (2) to marry ignorant hapless beta buxes when they tire of, or can no longer participate in soft polygyny. It must remain a secret, because no self-respecting man would marry a woman with a known history of soft polygyny. Women who post their liaisons online, or participate in the OASIS have extreme difficulty in hiding their past. As they say, “The internet is forever.”

3. It protects others who share the secret, builds trust and bonding, and provides an association based on loyalty.

Men who are “in the know” don’t talk about women’s participation in soft polygyny because the more men who know about it, the greater the competition is, and also because they don’t want to shame, anger, or alienate the women who participate in it. There is also a peculiar satisfaction gained from being an insider (pun intended). Men who are not “in the know” don’t talk about it because, of course, they are purposely kept in the dark about it. As they say, “Only the bad guys know.”

Parents are typically the last to know of such affairs. However, there are a small number of parents who have a way of sidling up to their young adult children in such matters. For some of these, it’s because they participated (or continue to participate) in this lifestyle themselves, and never really let go of it. There are some parents who are rather proactive about making sure their young adult children are “in the know” and getting them into the scene, usually for vicarious purposes.

Case Study – Jack’s Family of Origin

I shared this story before.

All the women in my family talk rather freely amongst themselves, but they’ll never tell the men anything that is going on. They’ll have a caucus, make decisions, and carry out those decisions among themselves, and they intentionally keep the men in the dark as much as possible.

For example, when my sisters and female cousins started to be sexually active, my mother and aunts gave them lots of “instructions”, and kept it all a secret from the men, as if it were none of their business. If there was ever an abortion in the family, I never knew about it. When one of my aunts had an affair and was socking money away in preparation for a divorce, all the women knew all about it, but all the men remained clueless until she breeched the subject herself, and she only did so after she had already arranged everything with a lawyer. A couple years later, my mother did the same thing. It is embarrassing for me to admit that everyone in my family are professing, church-going Christians.

After my parents divorced, I talked it over with my dad. He told me he experienced the same thing in his marriage to my mother – that she would never talk to him about anything – and this was the second biggest disappointment he ever had, not only about marriage, but in his whole life. He said the biggest disappointment of his life was when my sister divorced her husband after only four years of marriage, the first among my siblings. (All three of us are divorced now.)

For some time after this, I had the hope that I might make a dent in this family curse. I started to talk about this with my family members from time to time, trying to get it out in the open. Soon I began to recognize a pattern in my family. Whenever I brought it up, all the men knew exactly what I was talking about and jumped on board, but all the women became indignant and walked out of the room with a huff. My sister was the only woman in my family who was willing to admit it was true, but she would only admit this to me in private, and she would not go into the topic any further than a simple agreement. But even so, I did learn something about the women’s perspective from talking with her.

I experienced more of the same with my current wife, but it wasn’t as bad because I was already aware of this, and I had already learned to be less trusting of women.

Now I know this is not just a curse on my family, it is the Curse of Eve.

The Motivations of the Secret

There are several aspects of secrecy that (1) appeal to human metaphysical nature, as well as (2) serve the desire for sex and sexual fantasy. In many cases, “…the importance of the secrecy lies not in the supposed result (outsiders not knowing things) but rather in the act of secret-keeping itself. Masonry (and Mormonism, and the ancient Mysteries) is based on the principle that keeping secrets is good for the soul.*

Non-communication may facilitate deeper and more thorough thought on the matter.*

Secrecy recasts the subject as being sacred.

Secrecy promotes a posture of humility. Very often our reasons for talking about things are unworthy and related to pride.*

Secrecy is a form of discipline, a way of practicing self-control. “If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.” (James 3:2-3).*

The esoteric nature of certain metaphysical experiences prevents real knowledge of the matter from being transmitted outside of having a mystical encounter of the same. It is better if people come to the knowledge of such things through first-hand experience. For example, Jesus often warned his followers not to tell others certain things about His identity and His ministry. (See Matthew 8:1-4, 16:20; Mark 1:34, 1:40-443:11-12, 8:29-30; Luke 5:12-15, 9:20-21). I believe this is because too much head knowledge can become a baggage of expectations that influence the perceptions of others in the way they might apprehend the truth of the things He said to them. Jesus, as well as many secret societies in history, are well aware of the fact that if someone has not already discovered a thing on his own accord, then he could not make any sense of it, nor make any good use of it, if it is whispered in his ear. OTOH, there is a good chance that he will b@stardize the truth of the matter and become a barrelhead of scorn and shame. So it is wiser to keep one’s peace, and let the secret remain a secret.

* H/T: From the Narrow Desert (W. J. Tychonievich): The Secret of Masonry (2019-08-27)

Admonishments from Ephesians 5

Believe it or not, the Bible has something to say about how to handle the Feminine Secret.

But sexual immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be mentioned among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness or foolish talk, or vulgar joking, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.  For this you know with certainty, that no sexually immoral or impure or greedy person, which amounts to an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Ephesians 5:3-5 (NASB)

Our modern Christian gatekeepers are confident about using verse 3 to preemptively clamp the mouths of those who might ask questions about or discuss the Feminine Secret. But what follows in verse 6 is a warning against using verse 3 in this manner.

See that no one deceives you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.  Therefore do not become partners with them; for you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 as you try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.

Ephesians 5:6-10 (NASB)

If we ask, who is “them”, and what does it mean to “become partners”, then verse 7 might be validly construed to apply to several different scenarios.

  • “Partners” could mean those who engage in sexual immorality, OR it could mean those who “politely” avoid discussion of the matter, which serves to conceal and enable the former.
  • Do not pursue nor enable feminist mating strategies, e.g. serial monogamy, AF/BB, or various form of polysexuality.
  • Do not propagate Blue Pill feminist lies, e.g. pedestalizing princesses, YOLO, etc.
  • Do not pursue secret AF liaisons.
  • Do not be a foolish Beta orbiter who props up feminist mating strategies.

Verse 11 may very well follow after this list.

11 Do not participate in the useless deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; 12 for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret.  13 But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.

Ephesians 5:11-13 (NASB)

From verse 11, we see that the proper response is to remove the secrecy aspects of the secret, as I am doing by writing this post.

Conclusions

After having been shrouded by feminism over the past 40 years, the fallen nature of women has only been recently revealed by the Manosphere.  This includes the harrowing, inconvenient truth about the fleshly inclinations of women — lacking moral agency, hypergamic, solipsistic, carousel riding branch swingers, reveling in defilement…  Later in life they discover cuckoldry, abortion, domestic violence, the Duluth scheme, and frivorce — and I’m only just scratching the surface.

Furthermore, women are prone to “go off” suddenly, indignantly bulverizing, lying, gaslighting, and projecting their deeper nature, even after the facts are known, and without an ounce of guilt.

Interestingly, all of these traits are aggravated or encouraged by those who brandish the “misogynist” rhetoric, even though they deny it.  By doing so, they bring about the real world manifestation of the worst feminine nature that is possible — another repugnant embodiment of misogyny.  To add insult to injury, all these traits are proudly owned with an inconsiderate, self-righteous sense of entitlement.

Women won’t talk about these things openly, because it would be too shameful, even profane, and it would show their hand.  Women already know these things about themselves (and that’s why they don’t like each other). Thus, they must live and operate in secrecy to keep a veneer of dignity, all in order to receive the respect, generosity and other benefits that come naturally from the ignorantly idealistic, altruistic nature of men who imagine women to be everything they want or need them to be.

If all goes well (from their point of view), men will never know the truth and can therefore be more easily controlled and manipulated. So it is all the more important for their deeds of darkness to be exposed.

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118 Responses to The Feminine Secret

  1. elspeth says:

    Thomas Sowell, the bulk of my reading these days, said something pretty insightful about the contradictory nature that feminism births in many women. I found it especially funny because he really had no problem with successful women. He has always been far more liberatarian than conservative in philosophy:

    Another Quotable from A Man of Letters

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    • Oscar says:

      @ Elspeth

      Feminism doesn’t birth a contradictory nature in women. It’s been there since Genesis 3. Feminism encourages women’s contradictory nature, stokes it, then weaponizes it.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Novaseeker explained why this is, at least WRT the contradictions we talk about here. Their attraction equation is harder to solve than men’s.

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      • Elspeth says:

        That is a fair point, Oscar.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Cameron

        Novaseeker explained why this is, at least WRT the contradictions we talk about here. Their attraction equation is harder to solve than men’s.

        Yeah, that’s a practical reason, but as I often say, pretty much everything has a spiritual component, which is typically the most important component, and typically the one most people ignore the most.

        The real reason is Genesis 3:16, “your desire will be for your husband” (there’s a 3:16 verse everyone should memorize). Every woman, from Eve onward, has a contradictory nature because of that curse. Every one of them wants a strong, competent, capable man to lead them and provide for them and their children. And, every woman will undermine that man as soon as he commits to her.

        That nature is in every woman. It’s in my wife, your wife, your daughters, my daughters. It’s even in my little baby girl who’s in the womb right now. Christian women used to understand that, because pastors used to preach it (I’ve found old sermons on this subject), but that hasn’t been the case in my lifetime. That means the average Christian woman is completely unaware of her contradictory nature. I’ve taught my girls about it in our family Bible studies, but I also told them “you’ll never hear this in church”.

        Women need to be taught about their sinful nature, so they can be alert to it, and struggle against it, just like men need to be aware of, and struggle against their sinful nature.

        By the way, do you know where the term “undermine” comes from? It comes from siege warfare. Combat engineers (called sappers and miners back then) would tunnel underneath a castle wall, set up wooden support columns underneath it, then burn down the columns, or detonate them, after the invention of gunpowder.

        The wall would then collapse.

        That’s a perfect picture of how “the foolish woman tears down her house with her own hands” (Proverbs 14:1).

        But, let’s also remember the first half of Proverbs 14:1. “The wise woman builds her house”.

        Both foolish, and wise women exist, just like both foolish, and wise men exist. But, no one is born wise. We all need to be taught wisdom, and women simply haven’t been taught for decades.

        It’s up to those of us who have daughters to begin changing that.

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  2. redpillboomer says:

    Good post Jack! This one line, “Women already know these things about themselves (and that’s why they don’t like each other)’ I found interesting.

    I’ve had unexpected glimpses inside that ‘herd world’ of theirs and everything appears like you said, a group of women sharing everything about everyone, especially the men, and seemingly bonding around the ‘secrets’ they keep amongst themselves about what they’re saying. It can be downright ugly and cruel, even what they’re say about Chad behind his back during herd gatherings.

    With all this jabbering and secret keeping, then hating one another. It seems like the ultimate paradox to me. Really weird. Care to elaborate a bit further on this phenomenon?

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    • Jack says:

      @ RPB, I’ll write another post about the secrets themselves.

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    • Oscar says:

      I remember figuring out back in my 20s that women don’t like each other much. Multiple times, I remember observing a group of girls talking like “BFFs” (I hate that vapid phrase), then one of them would leave, and all the rest would start gossiping about her.

      I remember wondering, “do they not realize that all of them are doing the same thing to each other?”

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      • feeriker says:

        “do they not realize that all of them are doing the same thing to each other?”

        Given that most of them lack self-awareness, the answer to that is a resounding “no.”

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    • thedeti says:

      @ RPB:

      With all this jabbering and secret keeping, then hating one another. It seems like the ultimate paradox to me. Really weird. Care to elaborate a bit further on this phenomenon?

      Jack:

      I’ll write another post about the secrets themselves.

      Sneak preview on some of the secrets:

      –All the women know all the other men their girlfriends have had sex with.

      –If a woman is having an affair, her closest girlfriends will know about it, and they will NEVER EVER tell her husband under any circumstances, not even decades after the affairs ended.

      –Girls Nights Out are particularly insidious for the above reasons. The first rule of Girls Nights Out is: You do not talk about what happens on Girls Nights Out. The second rule of Girls Nights Out is

      You do not talk about what happens on Girls Nights Out.

      –Women’s attraction vectors are constant and consistent – they’re all attracted to pretty much the same basic masculine traits and characteristics. Women all have an unspoken secret subconscious pact that requires them to lie about all this so they can maximize the number of men they can use for whatever purposes they see fit.

      –Most women are members of a mixed friend group consisting of both men and women. All the women in that group have had sex with the one or two most attractive male group members. All the group members except the unattractive men know this.

      –Almost all women have had sex with men before they met you.

      –You are not the best lover she has ever had.

      –You were not her first choice. She wanted to marry someone else.

      –Most of the sex you have with her is not that good for her.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        You can add that if one of the women the group even thinks a husband is out of line in any way, she will tell his wife.

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      • thedeti says:

        –if she is sexually attracted to you, she will let you do pretty much whatever you want to and with her. If she is not sexually attracted to you, nothing you do will ever be good enough.

        –the number one sign of lack of sexual attraction is disrespect. It’s contempt.

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      • thedeti says:

        You can add that if one of the women the group even thinks a husband is out of line in any way, she will tell his wife.

        Yes. She will protect her girlfriends’ marriages against the women’s own sins and will even help her girlfriends sin against their marriages.

        She will not hesitate to interfere in a marriage if she thinks the husband is “sinning”.

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      • cameron232 says:

        “You were not her first choice. She wanted to marry someone else”

        Almost all people “settle” to some extent. I think in general more women “hard settle” and the average woman settles more than the average man. The 70-80% woman initiated divorce thingy.

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      • Jack says:

        Whenever someone uses the word “settle”, it implies several nuances…
        That they have a transactional or “equality” mindset about the relationship.
        That they believe they could have done better.
        That they feel entitled to someone better.
        That they’ve had better in the past.

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      • elspeth says:

        @ Cameron:

        I have a hard time with this: “Everyone settles” bit. I get the truth of it, but at the same time, it implies that there is ever a possibility that there is a oerson out there that is perfect for you, but you lost out on them.

        Our philosophy is that we are perfect for each other, and neither of us settled. What most people call settling we call, “understanding that choosing one thing [or one person] necessarily closes the door to all others.” That’s called reality. “Settling” sounds quite negative.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        “–if she is sexually attracted to you, she will let you do pretty much whatever you want to and with her. If she is not sexually attracted to you, nothing you do will ever be good enough.

        –the number one sign of lack of sexual attraction is disrespect. It’s contempt.”

        I thought about this for a moment and I have a working theory that a woman’s hamster acts much like debt does to the rate of return on an investment in that it amplifies both positively and negatively. If she is sexually attracted to you the hamster rationalizes your behavior to the positive, such that those men not only get away with pretty bad behavior, but that behavior is interpreted as good. The greater the attraction, the greater the hamster’s ability to explain behavior in a positive light.

        On the negative return side is where the fun really begins when you use leverage because now not only is the investment in the red you still have to service the debt adding to your losses. Once she is not attracted to you, the hamster goes to work interpreting even the good aspects of a man in a negative light.

        I’ll give you a real life RPA example. After a 3 month stretch of being sexually denied 100% of the time by Mrs. Apostle, I got up the nerve to ask again. I had done some housework earlier in the week just to maintain the home and when I suggested sex she told me that I had just done those tasks to get sex and that she felt I only wanted her for sex. Y’all, it had been 3 months. If that is what being used for sex looks like then Mother Teresa ran a brothel of nuns out of her local parish. This is the power of the hamster in a woman who is not attracted to her husband.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Elspeth,

        “What most people call settling we call, “understanding that choosing one thing [or one person] necessarily closes the door to all others.” That’s called reality. “Settling” sounds quite negative.” In light of your earlier post about Dr. Sowell, what you described is figuring out how to allocate limited resources. In truth, everyone who has married has had to give up certain things they valued less than the things they actually chose.

        “I have a hard time with this: “Everyone settles” bit. I get the truth of it, but at the same time, it implies that there is ever a possibility that there is a oerson out there that is perfect for you, but you lost out on them.” This part of your post is more of a theological question. If you believe scripture, that God has the hairs on your head numbered and that he sustains creation, then who you married was the person God had for you as hard as that might be for some of us to want to believe (me, not you E). But since we know that He works all things to the good of those He loves we can be certain that the person we married is the perfect person for what God wanted to happen in our lives for His purposes and our sanctification. I had many sleepless nights meditating on this very thought while I lay next to a contentious wife that rejected me sexually for years and still believe this to be true.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Elspeth, I was criticized here for that attitude. I suppose what I’m saying is based on Novas criticism. I guess I then started distinguishing between settling (noone is exactly perfect) and hard settling where you dont really want the person you just dont want to be alone/unmarried. My guess is more women hard settle because their needs and wants are more varied.

        If I could do things over again I would have started dating my wife when she was in 9th grade, the first time we were physically in the same classroom. I’m looking at a sign she bought and hung over our bed right now: “If I had my life to live over again, I’d find you sooner so I could love you longer.” I dont feel like either of us settled because we’d do it all over again but even better.

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      • cameron232 says:

        It’s funny Elspeth. I’ve used the “I didn’t choose her because she’s the one, she’s the one because I chose her” line but women, including my wife often dont like that line. Most women seem to like the “she’s the one,its written in the stars ” line.

        BTW, liz (or ame I can’t remember) liked the former.

        The former sounds very Christian and especially Catholic to me.

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      • Elspeth says:

        I’m looking at a sign she bought and hung over our bed right now: “If I had my life to live over again, I’d find you sooner so I could love you longer.”

        Awww. So sweet! Over our bed hangs a quote from.A.A. Milne (what would you expect from a book need 🤓?):

        I knew when I met you a grand adventure was about to happen.

        I really did and it really has…

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      • cameron232 says:

        “Most of the sex you have with her is not that good for her”

        LoL – especially when an awake, crying 2 year old starts pounding on your door at 11pm during sex.

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      • thedeti says:

        especially when an awake, crying 2 year old starts pounding on your door at 11pm during sex.

        Tough sh!t. If you want to be a wife, BE A WIFE. I don’t get breaks at work because I am short on cash this month or because I had a cold for 3 days.

        I don’t get breaks on being a husband. If I don’t get breaks, then wife sure as sh!t doesn’t.

        The world does not owe you understanding. If she will not give me understanding, I will not give her understanding.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Deti, totally joking. This happened to us 11 hour ago -that’s why I mentioned it. She put the 2 yo back in bed and ………

        It didn’t wreck it for either of us.

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      • cameron232 says:

        @Jack,

        Noodling on this “settling” thing.

        In the ideal marriage, both are grateful to God for the other. And both are grateful to the other spouse for giving themselves.

        In a time when there’s little faith and people marry for romantic love, I can see how there’s more of the “transactional” quality in the marriage. The woman’s nature wants good genes, protection and provisioning. The man’s nature wants sex/physical love and “ownership” of the children that result.

        Women don’t really rely on the men for protection and provisioning anymore, at least not very much. They have 911, careers and welfare, food pantries, etc. There’s not as much in the “transaction” for them anymore.

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  3. Elspeth says:

    The phenomena of women gathering and scheming and keeping secrets from the menfolk is completely foreign to me.

    I’m not saying that I haven’t seen women commiserate over their struggles in their relationships. But never have I ever personally witnessed women assisting one another in deceiving their husbands. And I have never done it.

    It could be that certain things were never divulged or acknowledged around me for reasons I both understand and appreciate. But that’s sounds crazy to me.

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    • cameron232 says:

      The experience is not familiar to me either (in my family I mean).

      One of my uncles was literally cuckholded by his wife. It was rumored in the family, and the rumor was spread among the menfolk too. 21st century DNA analysis proved the rumor true.

      One of my aunts was abandoned by her husband – dumped here with her two sons while he went back home to Texas to his mistress. No one saw that one coming.

      My grandfather cuckholded another man (who was off at war). That man actually did raise the child.

      The women do seem to enjoy digging up and talking about all the scandals that we can now learn about from DNA tests.

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      • feeriker says:

        One of my uncles was literally cuckholded by his wife. It was rumored in the family, and the rumor was spread among the menfolk too. 21st century DNA analysis proved the rumor true.

        My grandfather cuckholded another man (who was off at war). That man actually did raise the child.

        Imagine the fate to befall the perpetrators of such acts under Afghanistan’s new government. As others have remarked before, not all aspects of Shari’a law are bad.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Left this at the other site:

        “Future Afghan men won’t have to marry blue-haired feminists with double digit notch counts or send their daughters to middle schools that teach them how to put a condom on a banana.

        Sounds like a redpill victory.”

        Although it does seem we limited how much of our culture we pushed on them.

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      • Oscar says:

        Imagine the fate to befall the perpetrators of such acts under Afghanistan’s new government. As others have remarked before, not all aspects of Shari’a law are bad.

        Don’t let the pious, religious veneer fool you. It’s all about power with them. The higher ranking commanders can get away with anything. Women, of course, can’t. But that’s a different matter.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Well maybe they’ll put an end to boy buggery.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Cameron

        Well maybe they’ll put an end to boy buggery.

        They’ll pretend to, just like they did before, but they’ll go right on doing it themselves.

        During my first tour in Afghanistan, the US captured a messenger carrying a letter from the senior leadership in Pakistan, to the commanders fighting in Afghanistan. I don’t remember anything else from the letter, but the one thing that got burned into my brain was an exhortation to stop taking “boys without beards” into their quarters, because it looked bad.

        As I’ve said before, Muslim men are the most disgustingly sexually depraved people I’ve ever had the displeasure of encountering.

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      • thedeti says:

        Muslim men are the most disgustingly sexually depraved people I’ve ever had the displeasure of encountering.

        Muslim men invented the Dubai portapotty. Google that term, and prepare to be revolted – not only based on what men did to those women; but what women allowed those men to do to them for money — AND THEY LOVED IT.

        The men are revolting. The women are disgustingly depraved.

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      • Oscar says:

        Muslim men invented the Dubai portapotty. Google that term

        No! Do not Google that term! Do not repeat my mistake!

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      • Oscar says:

        AND THEY LOVED IT

        Who “loved it”? The women? I doubt that. A prostitute demands payment because she doesn’t want sex with her client.

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      • info says:

        @Oscar
        “They’ll pretend to, just like they did before, but they’ll go right on doing it themselves.”

        Well there is this plague:
        https://knoema.com/atlas/Afghanistan/topics/Health/Risk-factors/AIDS-estimated-deaths?compareTo=

        So if God deems it worthwhile. Plague will get them.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Info

        So if God deems it worthwhile. Plague will get them.

        From your mouth to God’s ear, brother.

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      • info says:

        @Oscar
        I think prayers for vengeance combined with prayers for mercy for those them God knows will repent under the right circumstances is just as valid.

        If we ask God will grant I believe in accordance with his Justice and Mercy.

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    • info says:

      @Elspeth
      “The phenomena of women gathering and scheming and keeping secrets from the menfolk is completely foreign to me.

      I’m not saying that I haven’t seen women commiserate over their struggles in their relationships. But never have I ever personally witnessed women assisting one another in deceiving their husbands. And I have never done it.”

      Goes to show this isn’t universal. But nonetheless it is widespread enough as to create that rot in Western Society.

      May God either bring those women to repentance or may he avenge himself on them. I hope God avenges himself on them in this life if they are unrepentant.

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  4. Oscar says:

    Off topic: the Taliban have solved the incel problem (at least in their ranks).

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/taliban-asks-for-list-of-girls-widows-to-be-married-to-their-fighters-reports-101626413987086.html

    “All imams and mullahs in captured areas should provide the Taliban with a list of girls above 15 and widows under 45 to be married to Taliban fighters,” the letter issued in the name of the Taliban’s Cultural Commission said…

    I’m so glad I wasted three years of my life, thousands of my compatriots wasted their lives, limbs, and eyesight, and my country wasted two trillion dollars in that fifth world hellhole.

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    • elspeth says:

      Oscar! I was just about to comment to ask you your thoughts about this take on it all:

      https://garveys-ghost(dot)blogspot(dot)com/2021/08/kabul-falls.html

      You’ll have to type in the dots.

      I find, to my deep dismay honestly, that I agree with what he has to say here more than I disagree.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Elspeth

        Yeah, it’s a pretty good take. I disagree with his stance on what war should be, but that’s not important right now.

        Here’s what I think is important. Back in 2001, I heard two arguments I thought had merit. I heard plenty of other arguments, but I thought back then, and still do now, that they’re crazy. The ones I thought had merit are….

        (1) We should go in, kill Bin-Laden and his inner circle, and come home.
        (2) We should replace the Taliban with a government friendly to us, because if we just kill Bin-Laden and come home, Afghanistan will remain a home base for terrorists.

        To my shame, I must admit that I fell for argument (2). I was wrong. Argument (1) was right.

        The USA is collapsing. Like all empires that collapse from within, the ruling elites are looting the country while they still can, they’re working for a foreign, ascending empire (China), and the general populace is turning on each other. Had Trump won a second term (and yes, I do think the election was stolen), there was an outside chance that we could have pulled off a relatively safe landing, then begun to rebuild. I think the odds of that are essentially zero, now.

        The humiliation of our exit from Afghanistan was deliberate, I think. Look at everything that’s happened in Afghanistan, and ask “qui bono?” Who benefits? China does.

        During my second tour in Afghanistan, the Afghan government awarded China a 30-year contract to mine one of the biggest, untapped copper deposits on Earth. Guess who agreed?

        https://www.mining.com/taliban-says-ok-china-develop-huge-afghan-copper-mine/

        Now it’s rare earth metals.

        https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2021/08/16/cpec-rare-earths-with-us-out-china-set-to-scale-up-ambitions-in-afghanistan.html

        Afghanistan is one of the wealthiest countries on Earth. It’s the Saudi Arabia of industrial minerals. And the Afghan people will never see a penny of all that wealth.

        I could go on for hours.

        I feel like a grizzled, war weary, battle-scarred, old centurion in the late Western Roman Empire, who just wants a piece of land on which to raise his family in peace.

        Damn… that sounded depressed when I read it again. I’ll be fine. I have a baby on the way, and plans for the future.

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      • elspeth says:

        There are a few parts about what war should be that seem a little more brutal than I am comfortable with as well. However, the reality is that people who conquer barbaric people do so using brutal methods.

        He continues his line of thoughts, presumably in reply to emails from readers who think his lack of concern for Americans left behind is problematic:

        https://garveys-ghost.blogspot(dot)com/2021/08/why-so-harsh.html

        In general, we are a nation of hypocrites. Our elites I mean, primarily. We pay lip service to respecting other’s cultures and ways of life while setting up camp in engaging in nation building in places that -literally- abhor us and our values. In some areas, their abhorrence has merit. And then they have the nerve to bring them here, and lecture us that it’s racist to expect them to embrace our values (with the caveat that America’s value shift of the past 60 years are mostly crappy and not worthy of emulating or propagating).

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      • Jack says:

        Elspeth,

        “In general, we are a nation of hypocrites. Our elites I mean, primarily. We pay lip service to respecting other’s cultures and ways of life while setting up camp in engaging in nation building in places that -literally- abhor us and our values. In some areas, their abhorrence has merit. And then they have the nerve to bring them here, and lecture us that it’s racist to expect them to embrace our values (with the caveat that America’s value shift of the past 60 years are mostly crappy and not worthy of emulating or propagating).”

        I am somewhat surprised to know that you have such an “international” perspective on America’s role in world politics.

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      • elspeth says:

        What did I say that indicated that, Jack? Did you read my comment carefully? Or maybe I didn’t write it carefully.

        I’m a nationalist at best. An isolationst, really. I generally lean toward an identity based in my American heritage more than my ethnic identity (mainly because both the husband and I are documented mutts).

        I believe the best thing for America is to stay out of other nation’s business, particularly while our own house is on fire.

        There’s a reason I posted links to the guy I posted links to.

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      • elspeth says:

        Oh, wait, LOL. Was that sarcasm, Jack? I can be a little slow on the uptake at times.

        In short, I am not a “person of color”. Well I am, but I’m mainly an American. I’ve said, for the record, what my thoughts are on what has become of this nation as she has succumbed to a sort social, moral and spiritual schizophrenia. But in an ideal world, in the country that resembles the one I grew up in, this is my take:

        https://www.city-journal.org/the-case-for-black-patriotism?wallit_nosession=1

        America first. All others and those who would have our country subordinate to barbarians? I feel no duty besides Christian charity on an individual basis.

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      • Oscar says:

        By the way, GEN Milley (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) needs to understand warfighting, and war-winning, not “white rage”.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gen-mark-milley-i-want-to-understand-white-rage-and-im-white/ar-AALmRg1

        Incompetent, boot-licking generals are also a common symptom of collapsing empires.

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      • Oscar says:

        Like I said, the humiliation is intentional. Commies are masters at demoralization.

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      • Oscar says:

        Hey, Jack. You might want to consider exit strategies for your family. The US is no longer willing, nor able to help Taiwan when China decides to take it.

        https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml

        “Those who have a clear mind should understand that Taiwan residents can’t rely on the US. However, given the ideology-driven influence, some observers may see the situation in the island as being different from that in Afghanistan, but there’s one thing in common – America’s empty promise,” Jin Canrong, associate dean of the School of International Studies at the Renmin University of China, told the Global Times on Monday.

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  5. Oscar says:

    Off topic: no introduction necessary.

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  6. feeriker says:

    What most people call settling we call, “understanding that choosing one thing [or one person] necessarily closes the door to all others.” That’s called realitty.

    You’re no doubt aware of how unpopular reality is, as well as the fact that it’s soon to be outlawed.

    “Settling” sounds quite negative.

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  7. feeriker says:

    “Settling” sounds quite negative.

    Like much of reality, it is.

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  8. Oscar says:

    Speaking of settling; have any of you seen this Female Delusion Calculator?

    https://igotstandardsbro.com/

    It calculates the probability that a man meets a woman’s standards in age, height, income, marital status and obese/not obese status based on US Census Bureau data. And, it’s hilarious!

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    • redpillboomer says:

      Clever calculator! Think anything could convince the hamster that their owner is the one that will land the one per-center against all odds?

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      • whiteguy1 says:

        Nope,
        RPB, I’m going to admonish you a little bit here…

        You’ve been here long enough to know that hamster cages create enough rotational energy to warp space and time (kinda like a black hole), so that reality never crosses the event horizon.

        When said hamster wheel stops (usually with a sudden jolt), well then, we have another astronomical example to look at, a super-nova, with energy spilling all over the place, usually on friends and relatives, tears and box wine, and lots of trips to the pharmacy.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        Lol! You inspired me to try the calculator out on myself whiteguy1! I think that it says for my age that I’m part of the exclusive “Top Ten Percent” club? Imagine that!
        4.6%
        that is 6.5% of all white men in that age range

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    • whiteguy1 says:

      That’s an amazing find! So I put my own ‘stats’ in there…
      — According to statistical data, the probability a guy of the U.S. male population ages 33 to 46 meets your standards is 0.29%!!!!!!
      —that is 0.51% of all white men in that age range

      I am the unicorn.

      This gentlemen, is soft ‘dread’. When you realize that you really are something of a rarity, (and who doesn’t like hard numbers to prove it) your wife will pick up this ‘vibe’ and adjust accordingly.
      (RPA—Put your stats in there and drink up the ‘truth’, Mrs. RPA will get a whiff of this I assure you, girls are very good at non-verbal communications)

      My theory is that Crazy picked up on this and her hamster automatically went to ludicrous speed and assumed I was stepping out on her, so she nuked the marriage from orbit. What can I say, crazy is crazy.

      This calculator also helps explain (in a very small part) of why our Ladies Auxiliary are such lovely creatures, they have landed their own unicorns and know it down to the tips of the comfy shoes.

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      • Oscar says:

        …. they have landed their own unicorns and know it down to the tips of the comfy shoes.

        The key there is that they know it.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Actually, not sure ame has a unicorn hubby and not sure if Mike is unicorn (my experience is fighter pilots are high quality dudes). SAM is definitely unicorn.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        OK whiteguy1, you got me to bite. The calculator shows me at 1.1% and 1.9% of all white men. I have a mom who is roughly as tall as an Oompa Loompa so I have some vertical genetic inhibiting factors to overcome. 🙂 I don’t know if I buy the numbers but I certainly buy the humor. The cat food rating system at the bottom of the calculator is a nice touch.

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    • locustsplease says:

      I loved this. My ex who dropped me like a hot potato now looks at me like I’m in the 2% that calculator says. She’s always displaying her breasts giving me her best angle and softest voice. Too bad she didn’t “get it” when we were married.

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      • Jack says:

        LocustsPlease,

        “She’s always displaying her breasts giving me her best angle and softest voice. Too bad she didn’t “get it” when we were married.”

        It makes me wonder if she’s only recently learned those honeycraft skills under the duress of her current impetus, or if she’s always had them and chose to neglect them.

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      • locustsplease says:

        Jack
        Shes always had them. %95 of her wants to b a house wife no job f doll for a living who makes zero decisions and does what shes told with a smile. I know she did it for 2 years minus the no job but always talked about how she would love to b stay at home wife.

        The other %5 is the most abusive person ive ever met. She was raised by a goofy family with backwards values like where here father leaves her on the side of the road 20miles from town at 14 its her and her sisters fault. He fired shots thru the ceiling just to scare them. Endless garbage like this. They were all in a competition to show how little they cared about each other. And thats what she did as a wife.

        I converted to christianity and she is still trying to solve problems with anger about people who died decades ago. Im trying to get thru to her and think her draw to me will factor in.

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    • Scott says:

      Woohoo!

      0.41% of all white males!

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  9. Joe2 says:

    Calculator is suspect –
    With these inputs,
    Not Married
    White
    At least 5′ tall
    Any weight
    Earns at least 5K
    Age range 20 – 80
    The calculator says only 34.1% or about a third of all white men meet those criteria. Really, that low? So basically with no standards about two thirds of all not married white men are disqualified!

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    • cameron232 says:

      Maybe there’s a bunch of chicks with a homeless midget fetish out there being picked up by the calculators homeless midget algorithm!

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    • Oscar says:

      @ Joe2

      They’re doing a straight-across statistical calculation. Typically, if you want to know the probability of two phenomena occurring simultaneously, you multiply their probabilities.

      Here’s a quick example.

      20-29 years of age = 6.92% = 0.0692
      Not obese = 30% = 0.30
      $50K-$100K income = 28.8% = 0.288
      6’0″ or taller = 10% = 0.10

      0.0692 x 0.30 x 0.288 x 0.10 = 0.000598 = 0.0598%

      How accurate that is in real life, I’m not sure. But, it’s hilarious!

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Oscar – It’s probably not going to be very accurate because of covariance with some of the variable inputs. I am guessing they use raw data from each input variable such that the average for obesity is applied equally to each age range even though a larger percentage of 40 year old men are obese than 20 year old men. If this is correct, then they are introducing skew into the calculation.

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      • cameron232 says:

        It’s a fancy pants way of saying the variables aren’t statistically independent, I think.

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      • Oscar says:

        You’re both right. That’s what I did. I took commonly available raw data on percentages of each phenomenon, did the math, and got a similar result as the online calculator.

        I didn’t share the calculator because I thought it was accurate. I shared it because I think it’s hilarious. It’s mostly for entertainment purposes. However, it does illustrate the fact that, as you add requirements, you decrease the probability of finding a person who meets all your requirements.

        That, and the cat lady rating is a nice touch.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Just an excuse for us to geek out …. you’re a geek, I’m a geek……

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  10. Scott says:

    I’m blown away by all the people on social media and in real life, for that matter weeping and gnashing their teeth over Afghanistan.

    You see, its this whole other country, and they can have whatever kind of values or social norms they want. As long as no more planes crash into our skyscrapers, I really don’t care what they are into. When I was there, I never really got the feeling they wanted us.

    I’m more sad about the trillions of borrowed dollars we spent on something so stupid.

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    • Elspeth says:

      Me too, Scott. And then someone says something to me along the lines of, “But so many people are going to die! All this horrible stuff is going to happen! Including to Christian missionaries!”

      Then I feel like a bad Christian.

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      • Scott says:

        Not me. I was involved in the outcome as a remote formal cooperator (RIP Zippy) and I regret having gone there. The answer to “people are going to die!” is “Rip the band-aid off now, to prevent more death later.”

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      • Scott says:

        I watched a Netflix documentary this week called “Flint Town.” They followed the Flint, MI police department around for the year leading up the Trump election. It was unbelievable how desperate they were/are for money to run that department. They have 98 sworn officers in a city whose sister/sized ones have about 300.

        These cops — white and black alike, looked so friggin’ burned out.

        Maybe a little less Afghanistan war, a little more infrastructure and services in the US.

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      • feeriker says:

        “I’m blown away by all the people on social media and in real life, for that matter weeping and gnashing their teeth over Afghanistan.”

        Twenty years ago, two years after I had retired from a 20-year military career in cryptologic intelligence focused on the Middle East, the VERY first thought that came into my head when I heard that we had “invited ourselves into” Afghanistan was “They CAN’T POSSIBLY be this profoundly retarded!” “They” of course being “our” government.

        It was at this point that the 9/11 narrative started to unravel for me. NO WAY were the Afghan Taliban connected to the events of 9/11/01 in any way, shape, or form. NO WAY had Osama bin Laden been using Afghanistan as a base of operations (anyone privy to detailed info on Bin Laden knew that this was transparent nonsense). NO WAY, HELL NO WAY was either Saddam Hussein or Iraq involved in the events of 9/11/01. That one simultaneously made my blood boil AND made me laugh out loud until I nearly puked.

        Bottom line: The world’s most globally ignorant empire was sticking its nose, fingers, and weapons into a part of the world it was zoologically and dangerously ignorant of, and EVERYONE knew, or should have known, that the consequences were going to be catastrophic for all involved, but LETHAL for Amerika and its delusion-based empire. I’m only surprised we lasted anything like two decades in the quagmire. Even the Soviets only lasted 12 years.

        So, as far as the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this situation by clueless idiots, I suggest that, if they’re hellbent on reversing the situation, we suit them up, hand them M-16s, and fly them over to kick the Taliban out. With their own wits and resources, that is. Do we have enough popcorn to sustain that kind of entertainment?

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Scott

        Maybe a little less Afghanistan war, a little more infrastructure and services in the US.

        What?! Abolish the police, you racist, fascist, privileged white man! REEEEEEEE!

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    • Lastmod says:

      I was 30 when that whole thing began in 2001. I still had a nice head of hair! I supported it at first, but then around 2006 (or 2007?), I began to question the whole thing………

      Look, if Trump was president, we would have seen the same chaos we see now. Not Biden, nor Trump would have made this exit any prettier for the cameras. It was time to go. A long time ago. The deal was made with the Taliban back last year (by Trump)……. and frankly, I have no idea why we “make deals” like this. When I hear that, I wonder, “So exactly how much money are we forking over for this?”

      Besides that, this Taliban are the same people who helped harbor and bring down the WTC. Why the blazes are we making “deals” with them?????????????

      You try that with the ATF, the IRS, or the SSA (or other federal mobs over here….), as a citizen you don’t get to “make a deal”.

      Shows where our priorities are at. It’s a shame for the loss of life, the money wasted, the time and frankly our reputation as a nation. Will we learn? No… As soon as the next enemy raises its head, American lives and money will have to go protect “me” and America’s “pure golden sheathed vaginas” from the new evil that will appear (real or imagined) very soon.

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      • feeriker says:

        “Look, if Trump was president the same chaos we see now, we would have seen. Not Biden, nor Trump would have made this exit any prettier for the cameras…”

        Indeed. Like I said, these events were pre-ordained 20 years ago when we first set foot on Afghan soil. Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Donald Duck, or Genghis Khan could be in the White House and it would have no impact on events.

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      • Oscar says:

        “Look, if Trump was president the same chaos we see now, we would have seen. Not Biden, nor Trump would have made this exit any prettier for the cameras.”

        Nobody said that “Trump would have made this exit any prettier for the cameras”.

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      • Joe2 says:

        “Look, if Trump was president, we would have seen the same chaos we see now. Not Biden, nor Trump would have made this exit any prettier for the cameras.”

        That’s just an opinion and not a fact. No one knows what would have happened if Trump were president.

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      • KJ says:

        “Besides that, this Taliban are the same people who helped harbor and bring down the WTC. Why the blazes are we making “deals” with them?????????????”

        You STILL believe – in 2021 – that the Taliban or anyone located in Afghanistan had anything to do with bringing down the WTC? You’ve had 20 years now to figure this out. It’s not like there haven’t been multitudes of people shouting the truth from the rafters for at least 15-16 of those 20 years.

        Yet you’re still falling for the “official myth.”

        SMDH…..

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  11. Lastmod says:

    Under conventional wisdom, in high school… I was taught that The Vietnam War began in 1965 when we had troops began to actively engage the VC and the expansion brought by “Gulf of Tonkin” (summer 1964).

    When I was learning this… my father, a lowly airman in the USAF from 1955-1959, told me what I was being taught was lies, and became enraged when my he found out my history teacher was calling it “President Nixon’s War”.

    My father’s last order was in January 1959. He was sent from Yokuda AFB in Japan to Nha Trang US AFB in Vietnam. He was 23 years old. The USA had had a base there since 1955. Every night the VC would shell it, and damage buildings. They were always on high alert… but no, no, no… not allowed to EVER fire back, that would be an act of “aggression”.

    On leave, my father noticed terrorist bombs wrecking residences, and shops and bars in Saigon… dead bodies piled in the streets… and a horrible situation brewing. This was 1959. “The Good ol days” when men were masculine, and trustworthy, when women were pure and just wanted to be a wife.

    My dad told me, “We should have listened to the French.” They too spent almost ten years there and had the snot kicked out of them. He said “DeGaulle warned us in 1958 to stay out of there.”

    American troops were in Vietnam… not high ranking folks, but on the ground people like my dad at the base. The big shots KNEW what was coming… and spare me, “If Kennedy had lived, he would have never let one man die!” nonsense.

    In Afghanistan, we had the Soviet Union to learn from… Ten years, 15,000 lives lost, and a few million Afghan lives lost……. and this war helped eventually bankrupt the Soviet Union.

    Right now… in some border skirmish loser-second world or third-world country….. the next war is already being planned out.

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    • Lastmod says:

      This was the USA’ last chance to get out Vietnam. 1964 TV spot for Barry Goldwater. Sadly, we didn’t learn…the 1964 election proved that and still have not learned.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Au H2O (Gold water). Dad remembered some sort of campaign pin with this on it.

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      • feeriker says:

        “Sadly, we didn’t learn.”

        “We” never do, and likely never will.

        Albert Einstein was probably inspired by the United States government when he came up with his famous definition of “insanity.”

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  12. cameron232 says:

    I agree with Jason that the exit would have been ugly no matter who did it. We live in a hyper partisan era so the other side (whoever that is) will inevitably point out how ugly it is to score political points. Sean Hannity is doing this as I type. The only way Trump would have avoided an ugly exit would have been to not exit. But that’s not what he ran on.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Exactly. Now….. I am not “takin’ Biden’s side” here nor defending him. However, blaming him “solely” for this bad exit. Hate to break it to the “Trump! Trump! Trump! / Greatest President-ever-crowd”.

      But if… IF he was the president. This would have went the same way….yes, I know, he would have made sure there was all these additional things to make sure “the Afghan people would have options or protection”.

      As if.

      The Afghan military / police / security forces that we spent a few trillion on over 20 years collapsed without an effort the second we left. We could argue that “we should have kept air support”, but it’s pointless.

      Does this look like Vietnam April 30, 1975? You bet… but Americans of all stripes were not faulting President Ford. The USA just wanted it over, and finally fully out. I think that’s what we have here except for the hyper-partisan on the right or left. Anything to make their side a “hero”

      If this had happened under Trump, I would not be blaming him. It was time to go. A LONG time ago.

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      • Oscar says:

        “Yes, I know, he would have made sure there was all these additional things to make sure “the Afghan people would have options or protection”

        No one here is claiming that Trump “would have made sure there was all these additional things to make sure ‘the Afghan people would have options or protection’” either.

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  13. Lastmod says:

    “That’s just an opinion and not a fact. No one knows what would have happened if Trump were president.”

    You’re deluded. You “Trump” supporters are worse than Black Americans in the 1960’s believing that “their guy can do zero wrong” (A Kennedy or Johnson) on anything.

    Trump negotiated this deal with the Taliban….. not that I was against “getting us out of that hellhole”, but it would have happened the exact same way. The same. Deals with the Taliban…the people responsible (supposedly) for the WTC attacks, people who love female gentile mutilation, the men who marry nine year old girls…… Yeah, “making deals with them”… the dumbest president ever… so much for America first.

    Let me say it again. Several affairs, divorces, no wall built, 6 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, manufacturing jobs STILL left, flippant remarks and “oh he’ so funny / he’s so cool” Not ONE budget passed under this tenure “spending bills????????????” Yeesh, so much for following the “constitution” and he even caved a bit and distanced himself from the NRA. He also appointed a “conservative” judge that votes more with the liberal side of the court.

    He was a prize horses ass. That’s why he lost in the end. It would have been a moot issue….. If he had behaved like a Reagan during the 84 campaign or Nixon in 72. It would have been a landslide.

    He voted for Clinton both times, he supports “abortion” (but only for emergencies….. except when he wants to pacify the anti-abortion crowd). He was a ruthless Yuppie in the 1980’s, embodying the most base behaviors of that decade…….

    Yet, greatest president ever / he did so much for the USA nonsense.

    He’s no better than what we have in DC right now.

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    • Lastmod says:

      This was then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan in 1968. He sent the guard in, and police and put an end to nonsense. Trump psychophants will say “He offered to help during the protests, but those mean democrats wouldn’t let him.”

      Reagan would have sent the military in. Reagan as president also fired air traffic controller when they went on strike. He didn’t come on the airwaves and make flippant remarks, and just blame people, nor cheap swipes. I am not a huge Reagan fan… but when Trump supporters claim their guy is greater than this…… I almost want to weep

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    • Jack says:

      LastMod, This site doesn’t go into government politics that deeply. You should be writing your political views at another site, like Lew Rockwell, or The Other McCain, or Drudge Report, etc. You’ll get a better response there.

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  14. locustsplease says:

    Jack
    Shes always had them. %95 of her wants to b a house wife no job f doll for a living who makes zero decisions and does what shes told with a smile. I know she did it for 2 years minus the no job but always talked about how she would love to b stay at home wife.

    The other %5 is the most abusive person ive ever met. She was raised by a goofy family with backwards values like where here father leaves her on the side of the road 20miles from town at 14 its her and her sisters fault. He fired shots thru the ceiling just to scare them. Endless garbage like this. They were all in a competition to show how little they cared about each other. And thats what she did as a wife.

    I converted to christianity and she is still trying to solve problems with anger about people who died decades ago. Im trying to get thru to her and think her draw to me will factor in.

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  16. Lastmod says:

    KJ said “You STILL believe – in 2021 – that the Taliban or anyone located in Afghanistan had anything to do with bringing down the WTC? You’ve had 20 years now to figure this out. It’s not like there haven’t been multitudes of people shouting the truth from the rafters for at least 15-16 of those 20 years.”

    *This is the myth purported by our government, yet they negotiated with the Taliban for withdrawal in Afgan. They people who supposedly did this we’re “negotiating with” including Trump, the man who “puts ameruric first”

    *Here in California many believe, the dumbest man alive Bush II did this. Dumbest man ever, the stupidest man ever…….can’t put a sentence together…yet, he orchestrated the biggest cover-up of the century. Doubtful

    Many believe somehow the Jews / Zionist ? Israel orchestrated this. Yeah….okay.

    *Far too many don’t even believe a airliner crashed into the Pentagon. I had friends who live in DC, they saw it come right down and crash. I guess they are part of the cover-up as well. And, all those people who died in that attack, on the ground and in the airliner…..their families were paid off to “never tell anyone” that they didn’t die and and instead were forced to change their identities and move somewhere else.

    I don’t know what happened in the end, and nor do you. It was just a terrible and sad day….and we’ll never know. Like who killed JFK, who is buried in Grant’s tomb, and aliens crashed in the desert in the 1940’s……..and the pyramids were built by telekenesis. We’ll never know the truth….and the multitudes that “don’t buy the narrative” are probably right…but their own theories are just as crazy.

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    • KJ says:

      Dude, you’re lost. I know cognitive dissonance can be tough to handle, but I’m here for you if you need me.

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  17. elspeth says:

    On the polygyny note:

    I was just listening to The Candace Owens show and one of her panelists mentioned a recent bit of controversial lunacy from the frequently nonsensical Nick Cannon. He will be the father of 4 newborns in two years time before this year ends, if I heard it right. He recently went on about monogamy being a “Eurocentric concept”. He has 7 children with 4 women including the 10-year-old twins he has with ex-wife Mariah Carey. But in the midst of all that he says something pretty profound:

    “Those women are the ones who open themselves up to say, ‘I would like to allow this man into my world and I will bear his child. So it ain’t MY decision…”

    At which point host Charlemagne expresses stunned apprecation for the fact that Cannon can run that kind of game and have fashion models bearing children for him without the benefit of marriage. He actually has two girlfriends currently, one being some model (Alyssa Scott) that I, being older, have never heard of.

    I found this interestesing because for the most part, women who play along with this craziness do so with the understanding that the man needs to at least pretend to be unattached or otherwise engaged as so not to embarrass her publicly. But apparently, Cannon is pretty up front about currently having two girlfriends (at least):

    https://www.distractify.com/p/nick-cannon-girlfriend

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    • cameron232 says:

      Well yeah – for some women sharing an alpha is better than having your own beta.

      I saw a story a few years ago about all the criticism of NFL quarterback Phil Rivers, a Catholic who had seven (9 now) children with his wife.

      No criticism of several NFL football players who are the baby-daddies to six, seven, eight….. different women.

      Don’t know if it because Phil is white and they’re black or Phil is a Christian or both things.

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      • elspeth says:

        It’s mainly because Phil is a Christian, maybe followed by the fact that he is white, but I suspect it’s the religious angle that draws the most ire.

        Let us not forget that when Tom Brady left that actress pregnant to date and then marry Giselle, the media was not all that outraged, and he’s white.

        It’s not often discussed, but he does have a son with that actress as well as his kids with his wife.

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      • elspeth says:

        But yeah, black men often get a pass for this kind of behavior. That much is certainly true.

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      • Lastmod says:

        People like this get the “pass” because of who they are. T Tebow was hailed as this “amazing, devout christian” and he lived with previous model girlfriend(s) before marrying or moving in with the current one before he married her. You mention this, and he gets a “pass” from the christian side because “he’s amazing” (ie condisered hot by christian women) and by christian men because he “plays football” and there is nothing more important to the modern christian man that “football”

        Sat through enough sermons on Sunday and in mens groups where its made relatable to “football” and if you don’t happen to like like football?????

        You must be gay or a loser

        Most women who fall into this know exactly what they are doing, and play dumb afterwards (Mariah Carey, for example…played all dumb about ex hubby Tommy Motola..and his philanderings in the 19990’s were that of tabloid legend)

        These women are perfectly okay with this until a breakup. THEN they get the sympathy about how they were taken advantage of and the “nobody told me about this”

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      • Oscar says:

        there is nothing more important to the modern christian man that “football”

        Sat through enough sermons on Sunday and in mens groups where its made relatable to “football” and if you don’t happen to like like football?????

        You must be gay or a loser

        What a load of crap. I don’t watch, or give a damn about football, and – shockingly – no one gives me any crap about it.

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      • elspeth says:

        What a load of crap. I don’t watch, or give a damn about football, and – shockingly – no one gives me any crap about it.

        Yeah. My husband has never, EVER watched sports, and men respect him immensely on the main. He’s never been called gay or a loser.

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    • Oscar says:

      Nick Cannon… recently went on about monogamy being a “Eurocentric concept”.

      It’s a Christian concept, but it just so happens that Christianity took root in Europe, more so than anywhere else, except for Ethiopia. It’s not a coincidence that polygamy, slavery, and cousin marriage all gradually disappeared in Europe as the Church spread, and took root there.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Polygyny was not the rule among the pagan Greeks and Romans (although they did practice concubinage). It seems to be less prevalent in ancient Europe, particularly west of the Hajnal line, although there were some forms among the ancient inhabitants of Britain I believe. Tacitus said the pagan Germans held monogamous marriage in high regard although it has been speculated Tacitus had an agenda in writing The Germania.

        It seems to be more prevalent as you move east and south.

        Cousin marriage was also less prevalent west of the Hajnal line. I don’t know about slavery.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Interesting quote, I believe by Finnish philosopher Edvard Westermarck.

        “It is not, of course, impossible that, among some peoples, intercourse between the sexes may have been almost promiscuous. But there is not a shred of genuine evidence for the notion that promiscuity ever formed a general stage in the history of mankind . . . although polygamy occurs among most existing peoples, and polyandry among some, monogamy is by far the most common form of human marriage. It was so among the ancient peoples of whom we have any direct knowledge. Monogamy is the form which is generally recognized and permitted. The great majority of peoples are, as a rule, monogamous, and the other forms of marriage are usually modified in a monogamous direction. We may without hesitation assert that, if mankind advance in the same direction as hitherto; if, consequently, the causes to which monogamy in the most progressive societies owes its origin continue to operate with constantly growing force; if, especially, altruism increases and the feeling of love becomes more refined and more exclusively directed to one, (the laws of monogamy can never be changed, but must be followed much more strictly than they are now.”

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  18. elspeth says:

    The other thing, Cameron, is that the polygyny that persists in much of Africa is, I believe, a large part of why they have taken so long to climb out of the economic and social pit they have been in despite Western influence.

    Nick Cannon can enjoy what he believes is his birth right as a black man because he is rich. He can financially support all of these children. The vast majority of men who play this game he is playing (and throughout have in my life we have known several men with 4, 5, 6 “baby mamas”), are adding to the systemic problems in the black community while blaming it on The System. I have decided to borrow Thomas Sowell’s tendency to capitalize The System.

    Steve Sailer had a piece up about the lack of children being borne to the most intelligent, educaed black women while the majority of black children being born are those most likely NOT to advance the next generation educationally or economically. I think he missed a major, major part of the story.

    It’s not just that these women aren’t bearing children. It’s a question of marriage. They aren’t bearing children outside of wedlock, and they aren’t the main drivers of black abortion numbers either. It’s a fascinating study, actually. Another angle, discovered when Thomas Sowell did his deep dive into IQ, is that among black people, women make up the decided majority of high IQs at the right end of the curve. Factor that in with the dearth of marriage among those women, and….

    I would be curious to know what becomes of all these kids Nick Cannon is producing 20 years form now, and he has no intention of stopping with 7. He says he teaches his son, “Make as much money as you can, and have as many children as you can.”

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    • cameron232 says:

      Sailer used to say that our generation, the first children born under Roe v Wade was the most violent statistically because the black working and middle class were the ones that used abortion. Fact is, the black underclass had a “sh!t happens” mentality and didn’t abort. As a result a disproportionate number were born to the black underclass.

      I dont know if Haiti has a lot of polygyny. The Haitians I have known have been Catholic.

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      • elspeth says:

        That may have been true in the 1970s, but there has been a marked shift. It is the black underclass and working class driving the abortion numbers in the black community. The educated, middle class black women are utilizing birth control effectively, while Planned Parenthood has a nasty habit of setting up shop right on the edges of the lower class black neighborhoods. I keep seeing people online (usually white people with limited exposure to reality on the ground) insisting that because the uneducated black women are the ones having kids, that the middle class educated ones are driving abortion. That is false.

        The same women having the kids are the ones having the abortions, counterintuitive as it sounds. But where single black mothers used to have 3, 4 or more kids, most of them now only have 1 or 2. Check my work, and you’ll see that the black birth rate has plummeted right along with everyone else’s.

        Tangential but not directly related: I have spent the lion’s share of my day grading papers, logging grades online, checking emails, etc. All of my students are technically homeschoolers. The level of work they many are producing (ostensibly under their parents’ supervision) is of far less quality than I saw when we began homeschooling 10 years ago. It makes me a little sad because I see this as a missed opportunity here on the part of many Christian homeschoolers. I know for a fact that my students are getting better instruction than they would get in public school, but by age 12 I shouldn’t be counseling on the importance of proper capitalization and punctuation.

        I see now why people wax poetic about how smart my average intelligence kids are.

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    • cameron232 says:

      My wife and I saw a documentary on abortion. They interviewed a black woman who was getting one. I believe she was from our home town. The reason she gave for having an abortion was she didn’t want to be up at 2am feeding a baby.

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      • elspeth says:

        The question though Cameron, is whether this was her first pregnancy (with other kids at home), her first abortion, etc.?

        Another thing about this (which I fear is lost in the shuffle), is the thing that NIck Cannon said, and that my husband has said on more than one occasion over the years. While he has never passed the buck on his role in any of his decisions the way the honorable man Nick Cannon did (“It ain’t MY decision”), he has always maintained that by and large the phrase “unplanned pregnancy” is a deflection away from the reality that opening your body to a man -especially without taking any real precautions and then being dismayed at becoming pregnant does not make any sense.

        I have seen more than one woman have a baby from a particular man, then abort a baby from another, based solely on the caliber of the man outside of the bedroom.

        Abortion is a nasty scourge, really. It enables so much evil to abound.

        Also, lower income women are getting more abortions now than back when we were young because abortions are now more affordable. So the whole sh!t happens thing? Few people really accepts that because they’re all clamoring for their version of a fabulous life.

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      • cameron232 says:

        “I have seen more than one woman have a baby from a particular man, then abort a baby from another, based solely on the caliber of the man outside of the bedroom.”

        Yes Rollo talks about abortion being popular for women as the solution to “one that gets through her hypergamous filter.” Alphas are fun to have sex with but won’t help you raise the baby or even stick around.

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  19. elspeth says:

    As for Haiti, there is a lot of syncretism in their Catholicism on the island. Catholicism is the dominant faith due to French Catholic influences, but voodoo and other West African influences are often practiced right along side it.

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