The Red Pill is equivalent to profanity. Only talk about it with those you trust.
Readership: Men
Author’s Note: This post is based on some previous comments and has had some input from Jack.
Length: 1,800 words
Reading Time: 6 minutes
The Red Pill is going Mainstream
Scott’s recent post posed the question, What is preventing the Red Pill from going mainstream? (2021-07-17).
In this post, Scott’s main point is that Red Pill theories are not being examined in academia as a scientific research subject, and he gives several reasons about why this is. I will not argue about that. I do think intersexual dynamics need to be diligently studied and further understood from a scientific viewpoint, if that is even possible.
However, I disagree that Red Pill theories are not going mainstream.
We can define “mainstream” as “the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.” “Mainstream” is that which is part of the body of knowledge and discussion among the general public; things and ideas that are generally known and understood to most people.
The reason I think RP is mainstream is because all men pretty much know at least two core RP tenets:
- Marriage is a bad deal for men.
- AF/BB
When you think about it a little more, most of RP is within many if not most men’s working knowledge. They just don’t call it Red Pill or Game or Manosphere.
Think about it.
- “Divorce is horrible – I have to pay like 50% of my salary in child support and alimony! The alimony will last another 3 years!” = Divorce rape.
- “Even Christian girls are sleeping around.” = Observations of female nature and hypergamy.
- “Girls keep breaking up with me, I don’t seem to be good enough” = Hypergamy
- “Girls reject nice guys till they can’t get the hot guys to marry them, then they pick a nice guy they rejected 10 years before” = AF/BB
- “Girls say they are attracted to nice guys; then they ride off on the back of Harley McBadboy’s bike. Girls are lying when they say they’re attracted to nice men” = “Don’t listen to what girls say; watch what they do”
- “Marriage isn’t a good deal for men. Men should not marry.” = MGTOW
- Movies like “About Last Night”, “Blue Valentine”, “Crazy, Stupid, Love”, and “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” show men exercising both Frame and Game.
Granted, not all men are Red Pilled as we would understand it. There is a huge difference between a Blue Pilled Alpha and a Red Pilled Alpha, for example. But my point is that the information is out there for anyone who wants to study it, and yes, a lot of men are discussing it, maybe not very seriously, but it is well known.
As a comparison, 20 years ago, every man was Blue Pilled, and there was almost no information out there to the contrary. Sure, some men had game, but they weren’t very well aware of it. Scott is a good example (or maybe I should say, was, years ago). It just comes naturally to him, and he never thought about it, and probably didn’t really understand it too well either. As long as chicks are coming, who cares, right?
What we have now is a greater awareness of the details and mechanisms of Red Pill dynamics. The point is that most men understand basic Red Pill, it’s just that only a small number of us have extensive theories about it and call it by the name “Red Pill”.
The Red Pill Offers a Silent Hope
Elspeth wrote,
“[The Red Pill isn’t being taken seriously and going mainstream] Because it doesn’t offer hope to average men and women. And most people. by definition, are average and cannot be the best, brightest, or most beautiful.
If everyone swallowed The Red Pill, things would be even worse than they are now. People need hope. Hope is how we keep going, what motivates us to take a chance on love.”
I agree that some things would get worse. I agree that the purpose of The Red Pill is not to provide hope to the masses. Yes, in fact it destroys hope.
But Elspeth’s viewpoint is only half the story. The Red Pill destroys hope, but at the same time, it gives new hope! And this new hope is much closer to the truth!
- Living life knowing the facts and the truth about male and female nature gives hope.
- Becoming familiar with the probable outcomes of a wide array of choices helps you devise an optimal strategy for making decisions about women, marriage, and life in general.
- Learning Scott’s Axiom and how to read IOIs can get your foot in the door to a relationship.
- Becoming well versed in women’s habits of branch swinging, gaslighting, hamsterbating, projection, solipsism, and so on, allows you to watch out for those things and take preemptive action. It also allows you to recognize a woman who is NOT doing those things and who might be a keeper.
- Knowing why you can’t “make it with the girls” gives you a new set of choices about what to do with your life.
Now, TALKING about the facts and the truth about male and female nature is what makes people feel hopeless, because their hopes are built on Blue Pilled delusions. CH called these delusions “pretty lies”, and that is exactly what they are.
Feeriker wrote a good comment on this point.
“There is a very fine line between hope and (self-)delusion. The RP can be, and often is, a very bitter pill to swallow. Yet if everyone swallowed it (or had it forced down their throats), would not the realities it laid bare for both sexes ultimately compel most sane people –again, of both sexes— to adapt to reality, to adjust their expectations, to recognize the untenable nature of the status quo, and thus, in coping, find some degree of inner peace where none previously existed?
The problem, of course, is that both sexes would have to swallow the RP in large numbers for anything to change. I think it’s safe to say that the earth will suddenly reverse its rotational direction before that ever happens.”
Unfortunately, Feeriker is right. The most we can do is talk about Red Pill to those men who are ready for it. And no, not all men are ready for it. As Rock and Red Pill Boomer pointed out, some men and women are actually better off without it! But there are some men who would be infinitely better off knowing.
TALKING about Red Pill is not and can never be mainstream.
Everybody “gets” Red Pill. It’s just that no one wants men to talk about Red Pill.
As I mentioned in the last section, TALKING about the facts and the truth about male and female nature makes people feel hopeless because their hopes are built on Blue Pilled delusions. But there are more reasons why no one wants to TALK about these things in public.
- It holds a mirror up to women and forces them to look at what they do and how it affects others.
- It discredits women.
- It makes clear that some of what women do is untrustworthy, unsavory, and unseemly.
- It holds them up to judgment and rejection.
Women honestly and truly believe men don’t have a right to judge them, reject them, have standards for them, or hold them to standards. They vehemently hate it when lower tier men try to impose standards on them.
The reason no one wants to do this is because…
- Women absolutely HATE it when you point out to women the crappy things they do.
- Women absolutely HATE it when men tell the truth about what they do.
- Women absolutely HATE being judged and rejected by men – especially men they think are beneath them.
Because that’s “being mean to women”. That’s “lying about women”, “misogyny”, and “toxic masculinity”, et cetera, ad hamster hoc, and ad insane san finitum.
So that’s why Red Pill doesn’t get talked about, even though a lot more men understand it than when I was a young man.
That’s why we don’t see Red Pill concepts streaming on CNN or NPR or the Saturday morning cartoons. We never will. (That’s what I think some people mean by “mainstream”, as in “mainstream narrative”.) We might see some manifestations of it, but only if we’re already aware of it and are looking for it. But the core ideas are, and will always be the elephant in the room, something everyone knows but refuses to discuss. So they keep it neatly tucked away as if it were equivalent to profane language or pornography. (In some ways, it is.)
Women Resist the Red Pill Truth
As a form of self-defense against being exposed to this truth, and against the erosion of the gynapotheosis in general, women shame men. Women call men names. Women accuse low SMV men of chauvinism, misogyny, “thought crime”, etc. Women accuse high SMV men of “emotional rape”, emotional “unavailability”, cheating, being terrified of commitment, and so on.
The list goes on and on…
- “Toxic masculinity”
- “Masculinity is toxic”
- “Men need to man up!”
- “Man up and marry the sluts!”
- “Where are all the good men??”
- “Men are not preparing to get married!”
- “Men are just Peter Pan manboys who won’t grow up!”*
- “Men need to step up and be stepfathers to single moms’ kids.”
- If you won’t date or marry a fat/weird/mentally ill woman/slut, then… “You’re a bad, selfish, evil, misogynist.” / “You’re not a real Christian.” / “You need to check your heart.”
In general, men should be standing up to this femtalk, but the current status makes the best way to do this into something complicated, difficult, and risky for men. Many men are coming to the conclusion that the juice is just not worth the squeeze, and they walk away.
* Jack touched on this before in Redefining Manhood as Boyish Immaturity (2021 June 14).
Conclusions
The Red Pill is a short hand way of saying, “Know and internalize the truth”. The truth is, and always has been mainstream. Or at least the most important parts are. It’s just that most people don’t want to face it, and there are a multitude of social forces that try to cover it up.
DO NOT talk about The Red Pill to spaced out girls and Woke cucks who will run screaming from the room because they lack the courage to face the truth.
DO talk about The Red Pill to those individuals with whom we have the opportunity to do so, close trusted friends, men we are mentoring, and those women for whom we have a covenant responsibility, i.e. wives and daughters.
The number one symptom of Red Pill going mainstream is men walking away from marriage, men not preparing for marriage, and men going their own way (MGTOW).
That’s Red Pill.
As a side note to the ladies: If you want men, you’re going to have to give them something they actually want. You have to cooperate with them, and you have to give them a reason to stay with you long term. You need to be fit, feminine, friendly, submissive, cooperative, and enthusiastically sexual. If you cannot or will not do those things, men will keep on moving. We’re not going to put up with constant fighting and sexual deprivation from b!tchy, self-centered harridans topping from the bottom. We’re not taking on stepchildren. We’re not paying your credit card bills or student loans. In short, we’re not taking your BS anymore.
You can hate on this truth all you want. Knock yourself out with a grand mal hissy fit! But that’s the truth, and nothing is going to change this until you face up to it.
Related
- Σ Frame (Jack): The Dispensation of the Red Pill (2018-04-07)
- Σ Frame (Blair Naso) Red Pill Political Correctness (2019-03-17)
- Σ Frame (Scott): What would the world be like if everyone was Red Pilled? (2021-03-13)
- Σ Frame (Lexet): Charting the Red Pill World (2021-03-26)
- Σ Frame (Lexet): Red Pill Grifters (2021-04-07)
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This is great analysis. I will probably write more later. Just working like 60+ hours a week right now. 🙂
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First time commenting on the blog. Little background on me, 20 year old South African currently majoring in STEM. (I do not think I’ll work in this field for my whole life, I’ll see where the road takes me.) Went to an all-boys high-school. Grew up pretty blue-pill until late last year. (I’m still trying work around/change my blue-pill tendencies daily.) Still trying to find my purpose in this life. Anyway, onto the main comment.
When I first found out about red-pill, I started to consume and internalize all this new information. It was hard to accept and I must be honest, I was red-pill rage a good 7-8 months. I would bring these topics up with my close friends and they would tell me I am speaking nonsense and that not all women are like this. (To their defense, I did frame the statements as if all women are hypergamous.)
I would on the occasion, bring these topics up with females and they would vehemently oppose the statements and/or give me hateful looks. (Their reactions and replies were entertaining though, “Who hurt you?”) I have refrained from speaking about these topics to most people, including my mother and my close friends. The sort of knowledge is not for every as they simply won’t accept the facts and reality.
Started reading this blog about a week ago. So far, it’s great.
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@ RayRay
I regularly talk about these issues in real life with men, but the difference in how it’s received is that it must be relatable and not done with RP terminology. It’s generally unwise to use descriptors such as “all women” and things like that as well.
If you’re trying to explain common scenarios you need to use examples that most men are familiar with. For instance, if you’re talking about what attracts women you can go back to high school or university: what tends to attract the most women there? The tall, muscular handsome captain of the sports team. Status, looks, popularity/fame, and other such traits in one individual. Well, the same is true after college as well, except professional athletes also have money.
If we’re talking about hypergamy for money, it’s fine to acknowledge that not all women are gold diggers. The degree to which hypergamy for money manifests can be very big (gold diggers who would drop their boyfriend if some rich dude came along) versus some women who only care enough that you have enough to support them in a comfortable life. Some women don’t even care about money if other attractive traits are there (alpha > BB for them, although they’d probably prefer alpha bucks if they could get it).
If you’ve only been around for 7-8 months you probably won’t be able to articulate things yet in a way that others who don’t have the knowledge will understand. Keep learning and understanding, and you’ll get there.
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Thank for that advice. I’ll remember it going forward!
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You only reject awalt now because you are so young that your fefes get in the way.
Once you get into the workforce, and observe women of all ages for a long period of time, you will realize they are all robots with minimal deviation in the program.
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Communicating stuff like this to others? Boy…….. it’s difficult. I notice actions speak louder than words. First, people love to hear their own voices, especially on matter like this. Usually their opinions match the talking points in church, on the news (doesn’t matter if its Fox or MSNBC). Orwell called it “duckspeak” as in to quack like a duck. It makes the person speaking “seem” informed, convinced that their opinion counts…… when in reality they are just parroting what they have been told is the “correct” narrative.
This crowd also fully believes that if YOU don’t argue or disagree, that YOU must agree with them.
You have to choose you battles I guess, and that takes discernment, patience, and a general awareness of “If I did say anything, would it actually do anything?” In today’s world, one must be careful because… especially at work…… you could be the one who suddenly is “threatening” to the person, and then you’re being counseled in an HR office.
Once, while taking a break with a few guys at a soul dance, I was asked, “Hey, Soulcat….. you always come here by yourself. Are you new in town?”
I smiled and said, “I come to dance, and just decompress. If I brought friends, then I would have to make sure they are okay, make sure they are having a good time…. and then I would get pulled into the drama they would bring.”
Curious, and semi-confused looks.
As I got up to go back to the dancefloor for an uptempo Motown song, I said, “Never bring drama, or create it at your hangout…. Right?”
Was this Red Pill? No.
Was it deep wisdom? No.
It’s not done to attract women.
If I was hot it might spike curiosity and intrigue in other guys… “I want to hang with him” type of thing.
It does keep the tone friendly, and create a sense of “Who is that guy? He is kind of his own man.”
It does set a stage of “I like that. He’s comfortable on his own.”
It does set up assumptions that I am not following the norm here, and that I might not be following the norm in other areas.
Actions!
First, accept the fact that Red Pill, MGTOW really can’t be taught.
Second. Accept and do this type of thing. It makes it into a Game playbook, makes it into a skill you have to learn and practice when one can only get there by experience and seeing first hand.
This is why I don’t “smear” and “insult” people who are Blue Pill. Maybe its all they know, and are comfortable there. The problem with too many men today is that they have fallen for the woke nonsense of “I am a leader” type of thinking, when most just like to be the one telling others what to do with zero consequences, while blaming women, society, and Blue Pillers for their own mistakes.
I wish you luck. There is good advice here, but don’t let any man here say your process or journey on how you get there is wrong, or incorrect.
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True virtue is basically action, not words! This is all I will say here!!
THIS mainly!!
1 Corinthians 1:17:
I have lived this for a long…time!!
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Calculated Bravery posted something very relevant to this topic a few weeks ago:
In it he draws an analogy between taking the red pill and a certain foundational event in the Bible. He also points out that remaining blue-pilled might be desirable for some people and there’s an asymmetry between what constitutes virtuous behaviour in the blue- and red-pilled.
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It’s a good one. He expounded on things Cane Caldo had said.
Take the Red Pill, now you know Good and Evil. Now you know you’re naked. Now you know your sin nature. Now you know her sin nature.
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It’s even worse than that. You can’t impose standards on a person over whom you have no authority. Therefore, a single man can’t impose standards on a single woman he’s not even dating.
If a single man says, “No matter how hot she is, I’m not going to date an inked-up, debt-ridden harlot” (to borrow a wise woman’s words), he’s not imposing standards, or anything else, on women. He’s imposing standards on himself. He’s not even allowed to do that, if it potentially affects women in any negative way.
Hell, these days a man isn’t even allowed to say he won’t have sex with trannies.
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This is true but I think but there’s an important caveat: you may not be able to criticise a woman in public, but you can still growl at her in private, or ignore her, or etc, if she behaves badly.
Provided you are genuine, most women will respect this. Being emotionally driven themselves, they have little choice but to do so.
The difference being that your growls are dictated by your own standards, i.e. by better standards than the present cultural norms.
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Right, but your point goes back to deti’s point. The world can prevent men from talking about their preferences (mostly by punishing the few who do), but no one can stop men from exercising their preferences.
Even when men “go their own way”, they’re still exercising their preferences. They’re basically saying that they prefer to stay single than marry a debt-ridden, inked-up harlot, to cite one example.
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Oscar, you’re quite right. When I wrote that I was forgetting Deti’s central point. I guess my point is that, when it comes to relating to women, there’s a loophole. It’s possible to judge a woman privately and signal that judgement to her without rejecting her: via a scowl, a growl, or a frown, in context. This seems to me like a valid imposition of standards in a way that she can accept.
Another way is by the Red Pilling of men. By encouraging men not to judge each other by women’s standards, per Jack’s recent post, we indirectly influence women, since they rank themselves according to the male-perceived status of their husbands (assuming that they have husbands!)
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Okay, not all standards are reasonable.
https://www.arkhaven.com/comics/comedy/hypergamouse/standards?totalInSeries=13
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More generally, NEVER waste time and effort trying to reason with people who are incapable of reason. This is a moron’s errand, as both Scripture (Proverbs 1:7) and multiple secular philosophies make clear. Avoid such people if at all possible. If it’s not possible, gear up for battle, not negotiation.
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To add: don’t ever talk about Red Pill sh!t around a woman in general.
Don’t try to reason with one. Ever.
Their emotions will always overrule any logic.
Three decades + of living on this planet = there aren’t exceptions to awalt
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That is the ONE thing that seems to be getting their attention. I’ve noticed in the last couple years, certainly since the pandemic began, an increasing number of female clips being unpacked by RP content creators. Yes, the ladies on those clips engage in shaming behavior towards men in all sorts of ways (standard fare); however, they do seem to be getting that ‘something’s not right’ on the MMP side of the SMP/MMP and they appear increasingly unsettled and worried about it. The sheer intensity and elevation of their voices on these clips, bordering on shouting at times, seems to be a symptom of the ladies beginning to see an increasingly gloomy future as they age into their mid-thirties and forties–a future of being alone with no marriage partner in sight, and they have a good four or five decades of living left.
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APAC* is the future.
(* APAC = Alcohol, Prozac, and Cats)
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I don’t tell anyone about the Red Pill. I just tell them RP truths then stare and watch them squirm. Some christian tells me, “God hates divorce.” One minute later, “Let’s help those single mothers.” I say, “Since women initiate 75% of divorces, doesn’t god hate us helping single mothers? Aren’t we promoting divorce? If they had husbands they could pay their bills.” … … “Why stop at single mothers? Let’s find every woman who can’t keep a man and buy her groceries!”
More people read RP stuff than we think. I got called out on being a MGTOW awhile ago and it took every ounce of frame I had to keep it together. I never heard the term before 7 years ago. U don’t want RP to be mainstream because that’s when it gets corrupted and all these grifters take over and destroy it in the name of feminism. I don’t need CNN’s RP expert. The next thing will be its constant defense or distance from these attention whores.
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