What is preventing the Red Pill from going mainstream?

Several hurdles prevent Red Pill theories from being taken seriously by the wider populace.

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Length: 1,200 words
Reading Time: 4 minutes

Introduction

The Manosphere has been around for over 13 years now, but in spite of the impact on individual men, it is still a fringe group within larger society. Red Pill theories have not gone mainstream, except as a topic of casual discussion. Why is this?

I enjoy watching Dr. Shawn Smith’s YouTube channel. One particular video offered some answers to this question.

Dr. Shawn Smith: Hypergamy (2020 February 2) Length: 42:50

0:00 An introduction to the Red Pill and Hypergamy
2:02 A review of 20th century psychology
8:58 How the Red Pill fills in the gaps
13:45 A historical review of Hypergamy
18:14 A brief review of key Red Pill ideas; hypergamy, ovulatory cycle, branch swinging, the “back up man”, and female initiated divorce.
19:41 A critique of key Red Pill ideas: Do Red Pill theories about hypergamy and/or ovulatory cycle predict female infidelity and divorce?
32:48 The problem of Replication Crisis
35:00 Implicit Cognition Theory cannot predict behavior, but it fits a narrative.

My Commentary on Smith’s video

Shawn Smith does a great job of tracing the history of hypergamy through the Indian caste system, and describing Hypergamy as a Red Pill construct.

I have a few disagreements with Smith’s assessments. At the 29 minute mark, he cites one paper that says,

“Ovulatory shift might nudge a woman toward Mr. Alpha for a one-night-stand, but their hormonal shifts don’t seem to affect their long term relationship decisions.”

Actually, having a one-night-stand IS a long term relationship decision, because this one experience will change the way she views all men from then after. Remember what CH said, “5 minutes of Alpha = 50 years of pining.”

At 29:30, he dismisses the ovulatory shift as being too circumstantial to affect behavior, saying,

“That certainly undermines the Red Pill prediction that hormonal shift compels women to bang Chad while Dad is home watching the kids.”

Actually, this is exactly how it happens. But we can’t nail down hormonal shift as being the cause, because there are too many other cofactors, one of the most preeminent being opportunity. He makes several other related statements to this effect, and then concludes at 30:14,

“Ovulatory shift appears to affect women’s desires, but not necessarily their behaviors.”

Anyone who has lived with a woman for any length of time knows that a woman’s desires have a direct impact on her behavior. This effect only evaporates after she’s old enough to have fully outgrown her desires.

He disregards mate-switching hypothesis and sperm competition as unimportant and uncompelling.

Despite his doubts about the authenticity of many Red Pill precepts, in the end, Smith concludes that the Red Pill does have value to men, because it helps them face difficult truths about life that they would not otherwise have the chance to realize.

Problems surrounding the creation of an aura of authenticity around Red Pill concepts

Smith’s video brought up several reasons why Red Pill concepts are largely confined to Men’s spaces on the internet. I talked about this problem in a video I made last year.

Self-Correcting Mechanisms (2020 February 5) Length: 13:44

I’ll go over Smith’s reasons here and add some of my own.

1. The Null-Hypothesis

The way scientific research is structured poses some problems. Most reproducible research experiments are based on a null hypothesis. This means that you make an assumption, and then try to prove that it’s wrong in some way. When the results of the experiment lead to a confirmation of the null-hypothesis, it means that “there’s nothing to see here”. In effect, it makes the research worthless (from the perspective of the individual researchers ego investment*). A rejection of the null hypothesis only comes after you can safely conclude that something has statistical significance, meaning that there is some kind of correlation which we did not expect to see.

For example, Dr. Smith’s video had an unstated null hypothesis, which would be something like, “Red Pill theories about hypergamy and/or ovulatory cycle predict female infidelity and divorce.” Then the latter half of his video tried to discredit this claim. As you can see, it was hard to do, and his conclusions were indeed thought provoking, but not very convincing.

To give another example, if I did a study of male privilege, then I would have to choose a hypothesis something like, “Male privilege exists”, and then try to prove that it doesn’t. But how can you prove such a thing? Even if it could somehow be proven, it may not stand through a peer review hosted by Woke psychologists.

* Research that accepts the null hypothesis is not entirely “worthless” because it can close a door that needed to be closed. But since everyone doing research wants to “discover” the next new thing (like male privilege) it is worthless to their professional reputation and careers. 

2. The Replication Crisis

Towards the end of his video, Smith talked about the Replication Crisis. Put simply, this is when others cannot reproduce the same results that researchers obtained through clinical studies. He states that there is a lack of academic rigor within the Manosphere. This is definitely true. Academic rigor and a peer review system is needed to establish authenticity through repeatable procedures, but the Manosphere does not have the institutional framework to allow this.

3. An Echo Chamber Based on Personal Anecdotes

Smith mentioned that a lot of Red Pill theories came about through a crowd sourced discussion of abstract ideas. Confirmation bias amplifies these ideas until they take on a life of its own. But that doesn’t mean that those ideas are justifiably true, nor that they are replicable in other men’s circumstances.

4. The Personality Cult

A lot of Red Pill ideas are largely centered around individual personalities. Their personality is a confounding effect because it sells the ideas, it becomes popular, but the results that they get tend to be unreproducible for most other men.

5. Unique Human Factors

Behind the reproducibility crisis is a number of factors unique to the human condition. For example, some men have natural charisma, while others don’t. Peacocking might draw positive female attention for one man, but for another man, it comes off as clownish. How then can such behaviors be replicated well enough to withstand a critical review?

6. Lack of Support

Dr. Smith and I are qualified to discuss these things, and even write a scientific research paper about it. But if Dr. Smith and I ever tried to publish a peer reviewed paper about any Red Pill ideas, then it would be met with strong, immediate resistance, not only from within the academic world, but from the larger society as well. Another problem for me is that I don’t have a long history of research and publications that would make my work convincing to a team of reviewers. I’m also not willing to spend my precious time working on something that would only bring backlash upon myself and my family.

Conclusions

As you can see, there are several reasons why Red Pill theories have not been taken seriously and have not spread beyond the Manosphere. Overall, the lack of academic rigor and the lack of authentic reproducibility stands out as the most limiting hurdles that prevent some of the better and more useful Red Pill concepts from being taken seriously and going mainstream.

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33 Responses to What is preventing the Red Pill from going mainstream?

  1. Sharkly says:

    I come from a very different background, and have a very different perspective on the matter.
    In part I do see many red-pill ideas gaining traction among people. Not so much with Boomers, but more so with the younger generation that is trying to figure out how the Boomers, who had everything in the world at their disposal, handed them such a sh1t-sandwhich. I spend my days in an aircraft manufacturing factory where the unpretentious common people don’t actually give a hoot for what academics in ivory towers might believe.

    I personally see that a large percentage of academics are the biggest proponents of failed Marxist ideas, including radical Feminism, and they begin with a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. They believe people start off fundamentally good and innocent, whereas God tells us people start off fundamentally self-serving(selfish) and sinful/guilty before Him. They then must blame some boogeyman for every human sin/dysfunction that inhabits the minds of people as if people of necessity must at least initially be corrupted by entirely external sources. Their ultimate solution is that the government must raise all children in a completely woke environment free from all historical beliefs in such things as patriarchy, earned status that supersedes equality, pride/thankfulness for ones heritage or origin, and so on. (Yet sexual deviants get allotted their own pride month!) “Professing themselves to be wise, they become fools” — and also world class hypocrites! Those retarded Poindexters promulgate Marxist beliefs like human equality while yet still trying to pass themselves off as a class of “experts” whose opinions are to be held in higher regard than the opinions of the plebeian hoi polloi. And they collectively judge their ideas by “peer review” as if other fools like themselves being in agreement is a gold standard of truth. We do well to remember that in a democracy, the side with the most fools wins!

    I think most of us who are outside of academia would do better to try to view this world from God’s frame of reference, and to largely ignore mainstream academia. We mustn’t forget that Canadian Dr. Jordan Peterson is currently the world’s most popular professor of psychology, largely because he exited the woke nucleus of conformist groupthink that dominates his profession.

    Dr. Scott says: “But how can you prove such a thing? Even if it could somehow be proven, it may not stand through a peer review hosted by Woke psychologists.”
    LOL

    Proverbs 26:3 A whip is for the horse, a bridle for the donkey,
    And a rod for the back of fools.
    4 Do not answer a fool according to his foolishness,
    Or you will also be like him.
    5 Answer a fool as his foolishness deserves,
    So that he will not be wise in his own eyes.

    Ultimately these woke fools will not listen to sound reason from outside of their frame of reference. So naturally these conformist trend-following cowards must be cowed by pressure backed up by the possibility of ostracism and ultimately violence. The Bible explains that you correct fools with a rod! To try to convince them according to their own foolishness, just to plays into (and reinforces) their own conceit.

    Marxist Feminism and Hedonism are currently the popular religions of this world. Our salvation from it, won’t come from those same fools that tirelessly pushed it upon us. The gynocracy must be resisted openly with resolve and ultimately we must be prepared to resist it with force. Academics can parse words until eternity, but we must live out our contrarian beliefs and be prepared to defend them, not so much with words, but with resolve and being ready to do so with all the force we can employ. Might makes right with that sort of fool. People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them. Those same arrogant academic fools who snub their providers (those who actually produce material goods of value in society) will ultimately genuflect before men who are prepared to oppose their apostate ramblings with violence. Unfortunately I think this battle of ideas can only ultimately be won against these godless fools by violence, and the mob on the left is already cued up to riot. There is a holy crusade awaiting men, to fight on the side of God. I can’t say when things will escalate, but those who refuse to foresee the inevitable will try to enlist you in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic along with them. I’m not saying that keeping the chairs orderly was never a priority, just that we have to realize that the ship is sinking and some priorities quickly become moot in light of the greater crisis. All the words in the world won’t correct these high-minded fools like a good whack of the taskmaster’s rod across their backs. And whether that will be from their new Marxist overlords that they themselves sought to empower, or whether that comes from a resurgent patriarchy that sprung up as a backlash to their godless wickedness, depends on our courage and resolve to oppose them by any and all means.

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    • ray says:

      Yup. Don’t in any way validate pompous professors who have wisdom according to man, but no wisdom according to God. They are not your friends or allies.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        The RUF minister at the university I went to spoke in front of the university’s theology school professors. He laid out the gospel and they basically laughed at him for believing something so ‘foolish’. On the whole, the university system in the west is so devoid of God that it is shocking when you hear a neutral viewpoint on the matter.

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  2. Lexet Blog says:

    He comes from the academic perspective, which requires everything to be scientific, even if it’s impossible to make it scientific.

    Combined anecdotal evidence is compelling, and can be used as science if done correctly.

    Unfortunately, people like him emphasize textbook over real life, because his career field requires him to. Ironically, his entire career field is 1- not scientific and 2- was created through observation

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    • feeriker says:

      I’m compelled to believe that any future scientific breakthroughs in most areas will be the fruits of dedicated amateurs, not scientific professionals. The professionals are hampered by politics that can destroy them and their careers in a stroke. This does not create fertile soil for vigorous scientific inquiry.

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      Lexet –

      “Unfortunately, people like him emphasize textbook over real life, because his career field requires him to. Ironically, his entire career field is 1- not scientific and 2- was created through observation”

      You can add 3- and then those observations were documented. 2 and 3 are the way we know that George Washington existed even though we cannot scientifically prove that he lived.

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  3. Rock Kitaro says:

    To be honest… I really don’t care if it goes mainstream or not. Ignorance is a bliss and I don’t think everyone “needs” to know all the Red Pill Truths I’ve listened to and soaked in, especially on the topic of hypergamy, female nature, the divorce courts, and even several posts I’ve seen on here, like that essay about whether or not you can be vulnerable or honest with your spouse. I’ve read nearly every comment and “liked” a lot just out of my appreciation for the different perspectives. Doesn’t mean I agree with them.

    I’ve personally been accused of sexual harassment. I’ve personally been targeted by females who had it out for me because I refused to be like everyone else (engage in the hook-up culture, drinking, make women a priority by online dating). So it makes sense why someone like me would seek out answers and understanding, a community where “I’m not the only one seeing this ish.”

    But for anyone else who fits in with whatever culture their immersed in, or blessed with good looks, charm, confidence, friendship, family, tradition, or an overall supportive community where people accept them and they’ve found someone who compliments who they are… I don’t think they need to know Red Pill truths, or rather… I’m sure everyone knows the Red Pill basics by time they graduate high school or college… They just don’t call it Red Pill, just simply “experience.”

    “But Rock, what about warning them about what could happen!? I’d hate to see someone get dragged through the divorce courts!”

    Warn them, by all means. But people are still going to get married. Not to mention, warning people about the coming of Jesus Christ is infinitely more serious than the Red Pill truths. I don’t see the mainstream lining up to hear that either.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “But for anyone else who fits in with whatever culture their immersed in, or blessed with good looks, charm, confidence, friendship, family, tradition, or an overall supportive community where people accept them and they’ve found someone who compliments who they are…I don’t think they need to know Red Pill truths.”

      Just came from a family vacation with the family my son married into last year. The situation aligns with what I posted from your post above. Besides my 30 year old son who is married to their 28 year old daughter, they have two additional sons, 26 and 24–tall, good looking, built dudes, with decent jobs for their ages (potential careers can be made from them). Mom and Dad are 56 and have been married 31 years, and they do have faith in God, although I’m not sure how deep it runs. The two sons had their women with them, the 26 year old son his 24 year old fiancé, and the 24 year old son his 22 year old girlfriend. For the whole week we were together, I observed up close and personal this dynamic through my ‘Red Pill lens’ and came away from it saying to myself, “Nope, better to let them remain Blue Pill because it is working for them so far with their ladies.” Heck, even my son, who I’ve exposed to a little RP knowledge, still remains solidly Blue Pill, even though he began to gain a little insight into female nature from our chats and a couple RP clips I let him listen to before he got married.

      The one thing that concerns me about all of this “relational ignorance in the Blue Pill world is bliss” stuff is knowing that the Family Court system in their deep blue state (Maryland and DC) is there lurking in the background if anything ever goes south in their marriages, present and future. I’m assuming the 24 year old will eventually marry the 22 year old girl because it seems to be moving in that direction.

      My point, I guess, is that I think I concur with your “I don’t think they need to know Red Pill truths” line. My only hope, prayer maybe, is that they never need to wake up, e.g. their women end up somehow or other following more of the traditional (Biblical) path of letting the men be the heads of the household and submitting to their leadership (frame). There are some positive signals that they MAY do that, but they could be false signals for all I know. I guess I’m holding my breath that the three women end up being the ‘elusive unicorns’ we talk about in the ‘Sphere. Tall order? Definitely. Impossible? Maybe. I’m going to have to rely on God for this one, that’s for sure.

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  4. feeriker says:

    Ultimately, the reason Red Pill Theory will never gain mainstream traction is because it flies in the face of everything upon which modern sociosexual culture is based. Even if ironclad, irrefutable scientific proof were offered that validated every single RP assertion, society would reject it. Willful blindness and systemic denial would become the norm and anyone who attempted to force light onto the self-imposed darkness would get the “Galileo Treatment“.

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    • ray says:

      You are immersed in a feminine world, living in feminist societies. American men and boys live directly in subjugation to a feminist demon, who has the backing of almost all the planet’s spiritual and secular powers and principalities. The MMP or SMP or whatever derives directly from the above reality.

      There is no talking or reasoning one’s way out of this. The purpose of the ‘manosphere’ is to prepare a few men — and even fewer women — for the Kingdom of the Father that is established after the current establishment is, ah, deleted.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Nah, the purpose of the ‘sphere is still pretty much to “get women to like you”.

        I’ve never seen a mission statement on the man o sphere stating this, and most men who are the “red pill” sort are sinners / wicked in the eyes of the father… so they will be deleted as well.

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  5. Lastmod says:

    Watched Scott’s video, and Dr. Smith’s.

    Whay isn’t Red Pill mainstream? Well…. Dr. Smith does bring up the “Replication Crisis” which is, truth be told, a strong point. When this is combined with aspects of the “Personality Cult” of the scene, it really is a turn off for very many, many men. It’s a very linear scene of A+B=C, and if a man or men affirm through their actions and practice of this, then they are told they are “beta” and the usual slew of insults follows. Also, if something doesn’t work well enough for a guy, then suddenly a “new” facet is created out of the dust. Remember that “Game” was foolproof until it wasn’t… Then it was broken into “Day Game” and the slew of other “Game” breakoffs (Inner Game, Dread Game, et al.).

    All of these methods were “justified” as foolproof, and you were made into a fool if you dared question it. Kind of like “Global Warming” crowd. No matter the evidence, or new evidence…. Oooh, it’s now “climate change”! The ideology MUST be protected at all costs!

    In 2021, Red Pill is pretty much a facet of Game now, or a subset of it…. or Game is a subset of Red Pill.

    Many men don’t want to follow a “leader” or guru who seems to dictate why they personally are or are not successful in their marriage, dating, or dealing with women. It would be like me coming to church to see a pastor that is “popular” and “Red Pill”, versus really wanting to come for Jesus. It’s that personality cult thing Scott mentioned.

    All the other science and biology….. it’s interesting, I suppose, but men don’t have time nor the intelligence to grapple it all…….. If they do, they just get the same takeaway — that to be “good” with women, you have to be in the top 10% of looks, intellect, and everything else……… Ho hum… (stifling a sigh…) For untold millennia, this wasn’t required from most men to get a decent gal for marriage, and women themselves are not this deep for the most part……

    Red Pill can build more of a wall than it can tear down……. Who wants to study for three, five, ten years to “maybe” get a wife, or even just a date???

    But Red Pill uses its own feedback loop of saying, “It’s foolproof”, and if it ever turns out that it isn’t, then it’s the “Ya loike bein’ unhappy” kind of thing.

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  6. Elspeth says:

    Why?

    Because it doesn’t offer hope to average men and women. And most people. by definition, are average and cannot be the best, brightest, or most beautiful.

    If everyone swallowed the “red pill” things would be even worse than they are now. People need hope. Hope is how we keep going, what motivates us to take a chance on love.

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    • feeriker says:

      If everyone swallowed the “red pill” things would be even worse than they are now. People need hope. Hope is how we keep going, what motivates us to take a chance on love.

      There is a very fine line between hope and (self-)delusion. The RP can be, and often is, a very bitter pill to swallow. Yet if everyone swallowed it (or had it forced down their throats), would not the realities it laid bare for both sexes ultimately compel most sane people –again, of both sexes— to adapt to reality, to adjust their expectations, to recognize the untenable nature of the status quo, and thus, in coping, find some degree of inner peace where none previously existed?

      The problem, of course, is that both sexes would have to swallow the RP in large numbers for anything to change. I think it’s safe to say that the earth will suddenly reverse its rotational direction before that ever happens.

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      • ray says:

        The poles have reversed before and certainly can be arranged again. No, Sharkly, I don’t mean people from Poland.

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      • elspeth says:

        When I say hope, freeriker, I’m making the very real point that even under the best of circumstances, marriage is a leap of faith. That was true before no fault divorce and feminism run amok.

        One of my favorite humorist authors is P.G. Wodehouse, born in 1881. A funny line from his story, “The Small Bachelor”:

        “Marriage is not a process for prolonging the life of love, sir. It merely mummifies its corpse.”

        Another:

        She looked as if she had been poured into her clothes and had forgotten to say “when”.

        Lastly:

        She looked away. Her attitude seemed to suggest that she had finished with him, and would be obliged if somebody would come and sweep him up.

        This sort of points to deti’s assertion that we all kind of know the harsh side of intersexual relationships, but we also all know someone who struck gold. We’ve all been somewhat infected by popular culture’s romantic memes.

        Even people with a solid and sane assessment of themselves still want a beautiful, joy-filled marriage. That requires hope. Too often, the red pill as expressed online, is devoid of hope. Mostly for men, but for women as well.

        Very few people are interested in a philosophy which asks them to accept a life devoid of true love. They just can’t and find contentment, so they don’t.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “Even people with a solid and sane assessment of themselves still want a beautiful, joy-filled marriage. That requires hope. Too often, the red pill as expressed online, is devoid of hope. Mostly for men, but for women as well.”

        I heard an RP content creator make the comment that he is frequently asked by men, “Then what is the end game of the Red Pill? Is it just to embrace a Nihilistic existence?” It’s a good question, and to your point Elspeth, people do need hope, some sort of future to live into, not sure what that is; well, for the Christian, it is deepening his/her relationship with Christ, finding your God given purpose, and then pursuing it with all your heart. Faith and trust in God to give you the meaning in life all human beings seem to crave, Christian or secular.

        As far as intimate relationships go, things out there are pretty bleak right, but not completely hopeless. However, it would seem the most sound advice would be inside of the framework above, AND learning all one can about male and female nature that one can possibly learn. Armed with that knowledge, adding vetting skills along with it (aka discernment of people, especially their character), it’s possible once could, male or female, actually find a suitable partner for a long term relationship even in this day and age.

        I agree, as cynical as I can be sometimes about the state of relationships, it can be worth pursuing (in my opinion) IF… BIG IF… one does it with their ‘eyes wide open.’ I guess for younger people, this will require parental involvement in their learning up until 18 or 22, then hopefully something like a mentor to guide them. Tall order nowadays. Society is no longer structured this way for the most part, and very few, except for the outliers and exceptions, follow this path anymore.

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      • Oscar says:

        @ RPB

        “Then what is the end game of the Red Pill? Is it just to embrace a Nihilistic existence? ”

        Well, yeah. The end game is a nihilistic, hedonistic existence. Heck, there’s even a book for that.

        Why should that surprise anyone? Nihilism and/or hedonism are always the end game of a Godless life.

        Where does that leave Christians? I think Jeremiah 29 has the answer.

        Jeremiah 29:4 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, to all who were carried away captive, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem to Babylon:

        5 Build houses and dwell in them; plant gardens and eat their fruit. 6 Take wives and beget sons and daughters; and take wives for your sons and give your daughters to husbands, so that they may bear sons and daughters—that you may be increased there, and not diminished. 7 And seek the peace of the city where I have caused you to be carried away captive, and pray to the Lord for it; for in its peace you will have peace. 8 For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you, nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed. 9 For they prophesy falsely to you in My name; I have not sent them, says the Lord.

        So, where does that leave the “Christian red pill”?

        The whole concept of the “red pill” is seeing reality – and dealing with it – as it is, not as we wish it to be.

        Reality is that we’re living in Babylon, not Jerusalem, and humans are sinful, and men’s sinful natures, and women’s sinful natures manifest themselves differently (Genesis 3). For decades (at least), the Church has largely ignored women’s sinful nature. That could be referred to as the “Christian blue pill”. The “Christian red pill” means seeing the world around us, and men’s and women’s sinful natures – and dealing with them – as they are, not as we wish they were.

        But, if we’re going to follow the instructions in Jeremiah 29, we’re going to need to build communities. We can’t follow those instructions as atomized, individuals.

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    • Sharkly says:

      People may hate on me for claiming this again, but even when you are the “best and brightest” and what many of the opposite sex want, you can still get totally defrauded by an evil mate. So even having all of that is no guarantee you’ll be treated well.

      People’s hope in sex/human-relationships to bring them contentment, needs to be dispelled. Only when you abandon all false hopes can you see what little is remaining and what needs to be done and where your contentment really needs to derive from. The only lifestyle worth living is one in accordance to your Creator/eternal-judge’s guidance. All lives contrary to God are just grasping for momentary pleasures or distractions that lead to damnation. This life is a brief test, and not to be lived as an orgy of self indulgence.

      I knew a younger man who was an absolute chick-magnet/panty-dropper. He was the ultimate player, who seemingly was everything all the women wanted. He always had the hottest girlfriends. He committed suicide two months ago. He had everything most folks think would be satisfying, but apparently it still wasn’t.

      The Christian-red-pill truth must direct men back to God, otherwise it clearly ain’t the truth. Dispelling this world’s vain hopes as meaningless vanity, is often the first step to getting yourself correctly oriented in life. Ecclesiastes is a good short book to read for that purpose. I recommend reading the entire book straight through in one setting to grasp the peerless wisdom and comprehend its conclusion the best.

      Saying that the red-pill truth will never catch on, is just defeatist excuse making. That’s part of our job, to try to make the truth known. God will eventually send Elijah, and eventually every knee will bow and every tongue will confess the truth. I don’t doubt it for a second. Our only question should be how do we, personally, best help the winning team win the war, even while the outlook for our personal part of that battle may currently look grim or even “hopeless” to those who have lost faith in God’s unfolding plan. We are here to be God’s servants, on a mission, not vain pleasure seekers. And along the way there may still be some pleasures to be found, but our eternal rest and comfort comes after this test of life has been passed. Until then we are to lead others to righteousness and keep sharing the good news of God’s patriarchal kingdom that is on its way here to stamp out the evil that we daily witness all around us.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “People may hate on me for claiming this again, but even when you are the “best and brightest” and what many of the opposite sex want, you can still get totally defrauded by an evil mate. So even having all of that is no guarantee you’ll be treated well.”

        Agree! This has been shown time and again with the alpha male celebrities, especially Hollywood A-list actors and star athletes.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “I knew a younger man who was an absolute chick-magnet/panty-dropper. He was the ultimate player, who seemingly was everything all the women wanted. He always had the hottest girlfriends. He committed suicide two months ago. He had everything most folks think would be satisfying, but apparently it still wasn’t.”

        This is very sad. One thing the Manosphere rarely discusses is the Chads and Tyrones and what happens to them down line as they age. Women, yes, talked about all the time in the ‘Sphere, e.g. post-wall women, wine & cat ladies, etc. I guess people assume with Chad and Tyrone, success just follows them throughout life because in their younger years they were “Chick-magnet, panty droppers.”

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Sharkly

        I knew a younger man who was an absolute chick-magnet/panty-dropper. He was the ultimate player, who seemingly was everything all the women wanted. He always had the hottest girlfriends. He committed suicide two months ago. He had everything most folks think would be satisfying, but apparently it still wasn’t.

        It’s funny how atheists throw the problem of pain into Christians’ faces, as though we’ve never considered it. “If your God is so good, why does He allow suffering? Huh? Checkmate!”

        Fools. The book of Job is probably the oldest book ever written.

        Besides, there’s an even worse problem than the problem of pain. It’s the problem of pleasure. As bad as suffering is, getting everything you thought you ever wanted, and discovering that you’re still miserable, is far worse.

        And yeah, we have a book for that, too. Ecclesiastes.

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    • thedeti says:

      No. That’s not it.

      The Red Pill is and always has been mainstream.

      Talking about Red Pill is not and can never be mainstream.

      Living life knowing the facts and truth about male and female nature gives hope.

      *Talking about” the facts and truth about male and female nature is what makes people feel hopeless.

      Know and internalize the truth, and don’t talk about it to girls who will run screaming from the room because they lack the courage to face the truth.

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      • Oscar says:

        The Red Pill is and always has been mainstream.

        Talking about Red Pill is not and can never be mainstream.

        I don’t know if that’s true.

        I’ve been dropping some of the truths we discuss here at the men’s Bible study at church. I’ve been surprised at the response. I thought I might get run out of church, but the opposite has happened.

        The last time we met, I dropped the “70% of divorces are filed by women” fact. Three of the men – who rarely speak up, and I didn’t even know were divorced – told about their horrible experiences with being shoved through the meat grinder.

        You should’ve seen the looks on their faces when I said that the “women are responders” line was cruel to decent men who were divorced by their wives. Those guys looked like, “Holy crap! Someone finally said it!”

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  7. thedeti says:

    The Red Pill is mainstream. Or at least the main parts are. The most important parts are.

    All men pretty much know two core RP tenets: 1) Marriage is a bad deal for men. 2) AF/BB. When you think about it, most of RP is mainstream and within many if not most men’s working knowledge. They just don’t call it Red Pill or Game or Manosphere.

    Think about it.

    “Marriage isn’t a good deal for men. Men should not marry.” = MGTOW

    “Divorce is horrible – I have to pay like 50% of my salary in child support and alimony, the alimony should be over with in 3 years = Divorce rape

    “Girls keep breaking up with me, I don’t seem to be good enough” = Hypergamy

    Movies like “Crazy, Stupid, Love” and “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” and “About Last Night” and “Blue Valentine” = Game

    “Even Christian girls are sleeping around” = hypergamy, game, female nature

    “Girls reject nice guys till they can’t get the hot guys to marry them, then they pick a nice guy they rejected 10 years before” = AF/BB

    “Girls say they are attracted to nice guys; then they ride off on the back of Harley McBadboy’s bike. Girls are lying when they say they’re attracted to nice men” = “Don’t listen to what girls say; watch what they do”

    The point is that everyone understands Red Pill, it’s just that no one calls it Red Pill.

    The other point is that no one wants to talk about these things in public because it holds a mirror up to women and forces them to look at what they do and how it affects others. It discredits women; it makes clear that some of what they do is unsavory and unseemly; and it holds them up to judgment and rejection. Women absolutely HATE it when you point out to women the crappy things they do. Women absolutely HATE it when men tell the truth about what they do. Women absolutely HATE being judged and rejected by men – especially men they think are beneath them. Women honestly and truly believe men don’t have a right to judge them, reject them, have standards for them, or hold them to standards, and they just hate it when beta men try to impose standards on them.

    So women shame men. Women call men names. Women accuse men of misogyny, thoughtcrime, “emotional rape”, emotional “unavailability” , being terrified of commitment, cheating, etc

    “Toxic masculinity”. “Masculinity is toxic.” “Men are not preparing to get married.” “Men are just Peter Pan manboys who won’t grow up!” “Men need to man up” “Man up and marry the sluts!” “men need to step up and be stepfathers to single moms’ kids.” “Where are all the good men??”

    “If you won’t date a fat/weird/mentally ill woman/slut, then you’re a bad man and you need to check your heart and you’re not a real Christian.”

    “If you won’t marry a slut, you’re a bad man, selfish, evil, you need to check your heart, and you’re not a real Christian.”

    And on and on.

    So that’s why Red Pill doesn’t get talked about, even though a lot more men understand it than did when I was a young man.

    Ladies: If you want men, you’re going to have to give them something, you have to cooperate with them, and you have to give them a reason to stay with you long term. You need to be fit, feminine, friendly, submissive, cooperative, and enthusiastically sexual. If you cannot or will not do those things, men will keep it moving. We’re not going to put up with b!tchy, sexual deprivation, constant fighting, and topping from the bottom. We’re not taking on stepchildren. We’re not paying your credit card bills or student loans. We’re not taking your BS anymore. The number one symptom of all this is men walking away and men not preparing for marriage.

    That’s Red Pill.

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    • thedeti says:

      Everybody “gets” Red Pill. It’s just that no one wants men to talk about Red Pill. Because that’s “being mean to women”. That’s “lying about women”, “misogyny”, and “toxic masculinity”.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      “Think about it. ‘Marriage isn’t a good deal for men. Men should not marry.’ = MGTOW
      ‘Divorce is horrible – I have to pay like 50% of my salary in child support and alimony, the alimony should be over with in 3 years’ = Divorce rape… etc., etc…”
      The point is that everyone understands Red Pill, it’s just that no one calls it Red Pill.”

      AKA, “The School of Hard Knocks.”

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  8. ray says:

    “The Manosphere has been around for over 13 years now…”

    I recall being involved with it in the mid-Nineties, though admittedly there were few men to get involved with. There was Tom Smith, Rich Zubaty, and a dood who ran an online mag outta the PNW — The Liberator, I think he called it. Warren Farrell published a good book, but it fizzled-out at crunchtime. Later on, as the internet developed, soc.men became mildly popular, and guys like Angry Harry started to show up. It sure wasn’t a club, but whatever it was, there wasn’t much of it.

    If you wanted a site back then, you had to build it laboriously via Yahoo Geocities.

    Anyway I’m pretty sure it didn’t begin with Roissy and Roosh. Except for the latecomers that is.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Agreed. I was reading “Martian Bachelor” and “Deep Water Web”, as well as enjoying the ranting of “The Misanthropic B*tch” (this was 1995-1998).

      The sphere, so to speak, got going with the roll out of “Double Your Dating” (David DeAngelo), “The Game” (Neil Strauss) and a growing wave of men back then who couldn’t seem to get a date long ago in that late-1990’s dot.com era, especially in San Francisco. I remember being at a few night clubs back then (Limelight, for example, or Harry Dentons), and there would be a gazillion guys, and NO women… Or the few that would be there would have a gazillion men begging them for a moment of attention. Back then, if a gal was indeed hot, you could bet your life-savers that if YOU were not genuinely above average in the looks department, then YOU would NOT be dating her. It was already a decade and half ahead of the rest of the country concerning these matters.

      There were magazines and the like encouraging men to behave like crazed animals, and lowbrow “lad culture” types of stuff. Maxim Magazine, FHM, and the like peaked in this era. College frat-boy type of humor.

      Then PUA came along like a tidal wave, and with that came Roissy, Roosh, and everyone else……. experts on women evidently but really not.

      But then practically overnight, PUA / Game collapsed on its own weight. Look how MGTOW, Incel, all the pill colors, and everything else appeared. Now we have every variation.

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      • ray says:

        Martian Bachelor, that was pretty far back there.

        In the mid-nineties the net was very basic. I had to do all my research at University libraries because the source material just wasn’t available on the net. J.J. Bachofen, Erich Neumann, Briffault’s ‘The Mothers’. Later in the Nineties good commentary on Scripture began to show on the net, a timely propellant.

        The Liberator, The Desert Light Journal, Zubaty’s book, a few scattered bulletin boards. Tom Smith’s AUM, soc.men, handful of father’s rights mini-groups. Humble beginnings.

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