Entering Manhood (Rite of Passage)

Revisiting the Ancient Rite of Passage.

Readership: Christian Men
Reader’s Note: This is Part 3 of a series.
Length: 1,500 words
Reading Time: 5 minutes

Introduction

If you haven’t yet noticed, the theme for the month of June 2021 is Patriarchy, Masculinity, and Maturity involving growth and change.

Previous posts on the topic of masculine maturity are listed below.

  1. Σ Frame: Redefining Manhood as Boyish Immaturity (2021 June 14)
  2. Σ Frame: Do men need talk therapy? (2021 June 16)

In this post, we’ll break away from the prideful feminist viewpoints and faux masculinity, and review an important event in the process of male maturation — The Ancient Rite of Passage.

The Rite of Passage

Jayson Gaddis: Why Many Men Are Still Boys and What Can Be Done About It (2009 April 5)

Gaddis describes a social dynamic that has existed since the dawn of time, which has been almost totally forgotten over the last two decades [lightly edited].

“For thousands of years, tribal and indigenous cultures initiate young boys into manhood through formal rites and rituals.”

“The ordeal is something challenging we must face and on the other side is the reward that we must bring back to our community.”

The entire initiation process leads a man toward deeper and deeper self-knowledge, the key to fulfillment and realizing one’s potential in life.”

“And if we look to indigenous and traditional cultures, a formal initiation into manhood (the hero’s journey) is the one common thread in all of them. Within this, a boy must, and does, come face to face with himself, his mortality and his life’s calling.

In being initiated, the boy will receive some kind of training or transmission from the elders of the community about how to be a man in their village or tribe. Not only is the elders’ role pivotal, the separation from the mother is poignant and a necessary moment in a boy’s life. It’s not just left to father’s, teachers or coaches in the community, where in this culture these men often fall short.

The boy leaves the safety of the protective womb, his mother, and village, and must be tested by the wilderness and the men in the community. As long as humans have existed, boys have been cast into a ritual in order to become a man. It was not uncommon for some boys to die and never come back. Without these trials and rituals, men are less likely to access the unique gifts inside them.”

“…in order to successfully move on to the next developmental stage in our life, we have to go through a rite of passage.”

“Do men in our culture have this opportunity?  How does this all fit into our modern situation?  Is it really necessary to face death and go through such ordeals?  If it is true that initiation is a necessary step along a man’s journey, what happens if he does not receive an initiation?”

To answer Gaddis’ last question, he won’t learn his human limitations until he gets his @$$ kicked by the world (e.g. career competition, military service, marriage, divorce, etc.). He never learns to trust God because his own father wasn’t there by his side in the wrestling arena of life to guide, support, and encourage him. His life outcome will be severely curtailed and less likely to go well.

Case Study – The Bike Trip through Hәll

Here, I’ll tell the story of my own “rite of passage”. When I was 14, my father and I bought two mopeds (a Sachs and a Minarelli) and we spent a couple months making modifications. We made an extra-large gas tank and attached it to the Minarelli. We also fitted it with a small cooler and an extra battery. We constructed storage containers and mounted them on the side of the Sachs. We bought a 6’ dome tent and a propane cooking stove. We put together a first aid kit, a mess kit, and a tool box that had extra light bulbs, spark plugs, and metric wrenches that fit the bikes. We loaded all this onto the two bikes, complete with bags of clothing and some food. At 6:00 am on a Tuesday morning, and with $150 in our pockets, we left on a two week camping trip. We traveled all throughout the rural areas of Ohio and Kentucky. We had only an atlas, a compass, and the position of the sun in the sky to guide our way. We rode all day in the sun, and got sunburned. We traveled through mountainous roads that were too steep for the 50cc engines to power. So we had to walk and push the bikes uphill. On the way down the mountains, we wiped out on the pea gravel roads and had to break out the first aid kit. Some days we rode all day in the rain. All our gear and clothing got soaked, and then it smelled. I contracted a urinary infection and p!ssed blood for a couple days. I kept on riding anyway.

We camped outside. Most nights we found a state campsite, but other times, we camped wherever we could find a place where we (hopefully) wouldn’t be disturbed. We collected firewood from the woods to build our campfire. We made our own steaks, sausages, and hamburgers. We ate eggs and buckwheat pancakes with maple syrup for breakfast. My Dad (who was a Baptist deacon back home) told dirty jokes and flirted with the waitresses and the rural backwoods women, and for the first time in my life, I felt like I really knew my Dad, not as a disciplinarian father, but as a man. During this trip, whenever something broke or got lost, we had to make things work. When we were in need, we had to ask strangers for help. We ran out of food a couple times, and some of our food spoiled. We ran out of propane gas, we ran out of toothpaste and toilet paper, and had nowhere to buy more. We wiped our butts with leaves and corncobs. We drank the melted ice in the cooler, water out of springs, and boiled water from creeks. My Dad told me that “God will provide” and to my amazement, He did. We found things we needed in the most unexpected places and times.

We saw Mammoth Cave (western Kentucky) and Old Man’s Cave (central Ohio). We saw 150-year-old brick and pottery kilns in Nelsonville. We saw Abraham Lincoln’s birthplace and many other log cabins. We saw Civil War museums, battlefields, and cemeteries. We saw the aviation museum in Wapakoneta. We saw Indian mounds. We saw my Dad’s boyhood home in Marion. We met my Dad’s 3rd grade teacher. We saw my grandfather’s boyhood home in Scio. We saw an old general store and a cottage on a lake that once belonged to my great-grandfather. We visited the grave of my great-great-grandfather who was one of the original settlers of eastern Ohio. We were also accosted by drifters, motorcycle gangsters, and hookers. To my astonishment, most of them were friendly.

On the way back, just as we passed by Abraham Lincoln’s birthplace, my rear tire blew out. We got out the toolbox, patched the inner tube and taped up the tire a few times, but eventually, it was totally shot. The rear tire was worn completely through the rubber and steel belts, and the tube was swiss cheese.  We passed by an old grey farmhouse, and knocked on the door. A woman answered and my Dad explained to her the situation and asked if we could pitch a tent in her backyard for the night. At first, she was suspicious, but as my Dad kept talking, she became rather friendly. She said we could camp in her yard in a certain place and told us where to find firewood. Early the next morning, my Dad took the dilapidated tire and rode for more than two hours to the nearest city, which was Danville, KY. He spent most of the day searching all over the city for a replacement tire. Eventually, he found a motorcycle shop that had just bought a load of odd surplus tires at a discount. Dad searched through the tires until he found one that matched my bike. After examining the tire, the manager said that company (Carlisle) stopped manufacturing that particular tire years ago, and that it was only by chance that he happened to have it, as it was probably the last one in the city.

The Lord provides!

Old Man’s Cave, Hocking County, Ohio, U.S.A.

Conclusions

The measure of a man is in the lengths he is willing to go, in his fight to survive, to impose his will, and to preserve his ways of life. The ancient rite of passage puts a young man at the forefront of his own masculinity, and instils a much needed sense of confidence and self-reliance.

In today’s comfort culture of Googling, gaming, and immediate satisfactions, the ancient rite of passage has been almost totally forgotten. Institutions that once offered structure, discipline and purpose to young men, like the Boy Scouts, have been subverted, their values ripped out, and destroyed.

Men, if you have a son, you need to take him on a road trip, or go to the mountains or to a foreign culture, etc., sometime during his early post-adolescence years (14-16). Put yourselves at the mercies of God, nature, and the kindness of strangers. Let him discover the beauty and cruelty of nature, his own raw masculinity, the hard-core discipline of mind and body, the limits of his human ability, and the knowledge that God provides and protects. Make the decision to do this yourself and let it become a bonding experience. Don’t wait until he learns his human limitations by getting his @$$ kicked by the world (career competition, military, marriage, divorce, etc.). If you don’t take this by the horns, you’ll miss this grand chance to achieve a father’s primary purpose — enhancing your son’s confidence and trust in God by going through a life challenge together with you there at his side in the arena to guide, support, and encourage him. If you fail to do this, his life will be significantly more difficult and less fulfilling.

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69 Responses to Entering Manhood (Rite of Passage)

  1. cameron232 says:

    Great story Jack. My oldest 4 sons go off on their own adventures in the wilderness now that two of them are adults. I think it’s good for the younger boys and I think it’s good to do it without dad.

    For Catholics the Troops of St George is a boy scout alternative.

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  2. cameron232 says:

    Another thing boys dont do as much. Get in fights with other boys. I wasnt a bruiser but nearly all boys got in at least a few fights – it was just part of boyhood. Unless you ran away all the time (and got labeled a coward) you had to fight at some point.

    As far as I know none of my 3 oldest boys has been in a fight. My 4th has but hes an alpha an has also been arrested.

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  3. professorGBFMtm2021 says:

    Jack,Wheres pathetic gaddiu’s stance on womanhood?Women are the ones iniated into desouling butthexings in high-school&college which is the main reason I have been anti-traditions of evil men ever since april’07 in the mgtowsphere first when roissy THE infiltrator infiltrated it,then the gyno-groveling roissysphere which slowly became the more MGTOW-influenced MANosphere!
    People who don’t know history,right!?That gyno-grovling gaddis what does he say about women growing into womanhood?Nothing,right?
    But I’m going to listen to his weakling advice?That make sense?Patriarchy is men are automaticaly more status than women!The ”burden of performance” is on women!Hence why the west is a gynocracy!

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  4. Scott says:

    I used to go rabbit hunting with my dad in California’s high deserts (Mojave). Think 8” sage bush and Joshua trees with snow on the ground in December.

    We would get out of the truck, grab our shotguns and head out. I never brought gloves, because he didn’t.

    My hands would freeze to the steel.

    He had black frostbite scars on the backs of his hands from being forced to do labor in the cold at Goli-otok political prison off the coast of Croatia.

    He would look at me and ask “are your hands cold?”

    “Nope.”

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  5. Scott says:

    These are the masculine values and characteristics I am trying to teach my boys, with zero help from the culture, a totally neutered church and no institutions to reinforce what they are learning.

    Calculated risk taking
    Protecting/defending/standing up for the weak/innocent (and those who cannot do it themselves)
    Justice
    Controlled strength
    Wisdom (acquiring useful knowledge through trial and error)
    Rational problem solving
    Honesty
    Sacrificing for a cause larger than yourself
    Being assertive (strongly making your case without abusing the other)
    Good stewardship
    Forgiving the truly repentant
    Accountability
    Consistency in the application of the above (no double standards)
    Future orientation/the long game
    Fidelity and honoring obligations
    Courage

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  6. caterpillar345 says:

    I’ve heard about this topic a few other places and it makes good sense to me. Do you think it’s possible to “retroactively” do this as a young man who never went through anything like this? Does a rite of passage imply having a group of other men to facilitate the rite and to gain respect from upon completion? Or would it suffice to gain the self-respect of completing a self-imposed rite? Is there a difference?

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    • Jack says:

      A man’s father/son is the best person to do this with. Next best choice would be uncle/nephew. I think older/younger brother/cousin would work too.

      The Boy Scouts tried to imitate this structure, and I believe it was effective for many boys.

      Peer level friends are good to do things with, but it doesn’t have the authority structure that transforms the experience into a rite of passage.

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      • Scott says:

        The greatest thing the Boy Scouts taught me was

        “This is how honorable men behave when there are no women around watching.”

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      • thedeti says:

        The Boy Scouts tried to imitate this structure, and I believe it was effective for many boys.

        Yes it was. I learned a lot there. I learned a lot of self reliance and skills I still use today. But that was when BSA was an organization created by men and run by men for boys and to teach boys, and a place where boys could be boys together and to learn from each other and from men.

        I don’t even recognize BSA (or Scouts BSA, or whatever it will be when it emerges from Chapter 11). BSA is engulfed in a sex abuse scandal that dwarfs the American Catholic Church’s priest sex abuse scandal.

        I suppose this is all men’s fault too. I suppose it has admitted women and girls in part to police the men and make sure that the 95% of good apples pay dearly for the sins of the 5% bad apples.

        Just you wait until the heterosexual boys/girls sex scandal arises.

        Just you wait until girls start claiming their consensual sex with boys was “rape”. It’s coming: teenage girls turning up pregnant after a week of summer camp. Herpes and chlamydia epidemics from their weeks at summer camp. Boys who should be chasing advancement and merit badges will instead be chasing pu** y (and failing most of the time). Girls who should be anywhere else will instead be wearing bikinis and giggling, jockeying for d * ck from the hottest 17 year old Silver Palm Eagle Scouts (and succeeding all the time).

        You think it’s bad now? Just you wait until summer camp turns into a week of fun for boys and girls, and a summer long bacchanalia for staff. Just you wait until Order of the Arrow fellowships and conclaves turn into Sandals Hedonism Weekends. Just you wait until the affairs happen, marriages get busted up, and the inevitable “rape” and “sexual abuse” claims happen. Just you wait until local state prosecutors and state attorneys general get involved. You think it’s a scandal now? Just wait, because the biggest sex scandal ever is going to explode in BSA in the next 10-20 years.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Our oldest two were in scouts but we took them out when it became homo friendly – before they let girls join.

        When we were continuing Anglican the bishop showed us a video of the jurisdictions summer camp. Co-ed with teen girls running around in bikinis, boobs bouncing. No thanks for my sons and daughters. It’s weird that he saw nothing wrong with it – I am to conservative for real world people so I hang out with fellow kooks on the internet.

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      • caterpillar345 says:

        Pardon me while I “think out loud” here since this is both theoretical and practical for me…

        Jack – That may be well and good but what if my father doesn’t really understand the concept of a rite of passage? He may have never been through something similar himself. You mention the concept of the authority structure but in the case of my own father, he seems content to view me as essentially an equal now that I’m becoming my own independent man (and have out-classed him in certain areas like technology). Seems like it could becomes a son-directed activity that flips the authority structure. But maybe I could carefully prompt or suggest in such a way that would allow him to retain the necessary authority and make a point to place myself back under his authority for the purposes of the exercise.

        But that makes me think, what’s the point at this time? Is there any value in attempting to do something like that now?

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      • caterpillar345 says:

        Scott – by “how honorable men behave when no women are around”, do you mean similar to what Jack said in the post:

        “My Dad (who was a Baptist deacon back home) told dirty jokes and flirted with the waitresses and the rural backwoods women, and for the first time in my life, I felt like I really knew my Dad, not as a disciplinarian father, but as a man.”

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      • Lastmod says:

        When girls were admitted. I resigned. So now on hardcore camping trips….you know…up into the Sierras at 10,000 ft…..I now had to find a woman who is going to come (doubtful) and be there as the adult for a girl(s) in the Troop.

        This means there will be “no more” hikes or camping like this. Safety / protection cannot be guaranteed for HER. This was part of the plan. They didn’t care about this. They just wanted to Scouting into a after school club and make it into the GSA. The GSA btw was pretty serious in the camping outdoor stuff as well until the 1970’s.

        The blame isn’t women. It was the MEN running Scouting from the top. Many if them came from Scouting in the sixties and seventies. Shame on them. A pox on their house.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Deti. I took my Troop to Scout Camp every summer (Chawanakee….Shaver Lske, CA). Most if the staff were women bc “no young man wants to work a job like this”

        I was called a prude by many fellow Scoutmasters at camp when I mentioned that the lifeguard (early 20 something woman who was smoking hot) was sunning herself on the rocks in the swim area driving my older boys crazy. “I think its neat” and “Hey…I wish she was here when I was a Scout”

        Stupid guy sh*t like this. Men. Men are the reason this happened to Scouting. Attitudes like this wrecked it.

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      • Scott says:

        Caterpillar

        I was thinking about something different. I’ll give an example. Right before I got distracted by girls and football I had what I consider to my finest hour as a boyscout. I was probably about 14, at the rank of Star. I was a patrol leader by that point.

        Our troop was a highly regimented one, and we had spent months preparing for a very long “pack everything you need into the mountains for 2 weeks” kind of trip. I had already racked up several of these and was one of the senior leaders at that point.

        About half way into the trip, one of our young fatties (a new guy, around 12) was falling out, and did not listen to any of the things discussed in all those months leading up to the trip. He was out of shape. He packed his pack full of candies and a stuffed animal.

        So, the choice was to leave the back pack on that spot, and get him to the campsite, administer first aid so he could continue with the trip. Once we got settled, the scoutmasters asked for volunteers to go back and get it–probably 10 miles or so one way. I took the best two guys from my patrol, with a liter and brought the pack to camp.

        Besides that, the entire operation went smoothly as we as a troop figured out a way to carry on with this dead weight of a total loser along for the ride. We did not scold him, but we did make it clear that he had put the entire outing in jeopardy. In fact, in the end, we had to get him out of there by helicopter due to hypothermia. (We had radios).

        The men who were there allowed us to make most of the decisions about this, with guidance obviously. The hierarchy worked flawlessly. No one was confused about their role, and there were no women around to distract us.

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      Caterpillar – You don’t need to go through a specific rite of passage. Living the list Scott wrote down even when the situation is hard or costs you personally is what these rites are about. There is an aspect of pushing your limits, finding your breaking point and still acting in such a way that the principles on the list are not violated that embodies biblical masculinity.

      I want to expound on a couple of the items. Wisdom starts with fearing God. Always has and always will because it is impossible to gain wisdom without understanding and applying biblical truth to your life. Trial and error works but is inefficient, so anything I can learn from those that went before me I do. Many people see courage as lacking fear, but courage is displayed in the face of fear, not in it’s absence. To be afraid and in spite of the fear to act in a manner that is honorable, just, sacrificial and maintains the other items on the list is courage.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      I used the Boy Scouts to do this with my son. He did the Philmont High Adventure in 2006 and the Sea Base High Adventure with me in 2007. I can see looking back now that the Philmont experience in particular was helpful because he did that High Adventure trip on his own, i.e. no papa with him, just the other men and boys. The Sea Base High Adventure the next year allowed he and I to bond out on the ocean, that was also a good experience for him and me. I was also the Assistant Scout master of his Troop and had responsibility for the boys Merit Badge progress. I think that contributed as well to their initiation since several made Eagle Scout which was no easy thing to do, at least back then. It required discipline and persistence over the course of several YEARS to make it to Eagle, that was a big initiation point right there; and we made them earn ALL of it, no ‘pencil whipping’ Merit Badge work.

      I have no idea what Scouts is like now except what I’ve been reading/hearing. It sounds like they lost something in the initiation rite passage with the fight over LGBTQ and allowing girls into Boy Scouts. That ‘girls in the Boy Scouts’ thing never made ANY sense to me since they already had the Girl Scouts. I’m just glad my son’s and my participation preceded all that stuff. I’m sure the BSA is quite different now.

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      • Lastmod says:

        Was a Scoutmaster from 2006 til 2016. In that ten years. I only had one boy make “Eagle” most dropped out at that age “car / girls / job” (16-17). It was still a challenge to make Eagle. Some just didn’t want to puti n the work…and were happy with Life Scout rank….its not for everyone. I stressed the “responsibility” as well for going for Eagle. And expectations.

        I dropped out of Boy Scouts after a year (my dad I did way more camping than the Troop I was in) and the hazing / bullying was to me un-Scout like…and it seemed to be “encouraged”. I did complete Cub Scouting and earned my “Arrow of Light” in 1982.

        I was at the National Meeting in 2014 when the new edition of the Scout Handbook was bring put together (it was at the USAF Academy). I was selected to be one of 500 Scoutmasters to attend this. It was a rubber stamping. I was theory one who “abstained” for voting for this rubbish.

        Scouting died sometime in 1970’s. It became a walking shell of what it was probably until it went big business in the 1990’s. Then limped to its PC death.

        I might add….for all the “bold real men” in Scouting…..I am one of three that turned in my Woodbadge neckerchief and needs nationwide. Disgusted at what the organization is.

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      • Scott says:

        I quit at life scout because up until that point I had been able to keep it a secret from my friends in the cool crowd/football team

        But the walls were closing in. I was about 15, getting ready to get a license, get a serious girlfriend, etc.

        Boy Scouts were total nerds. I couldn’t risk it.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Yup that’s how I remember it Scott, scouts was a dorky goody two shoes thing. I did 1 year of cub scouts but quit because they made you do gay things like macaroni art.

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      • Scott says:

        Cameron-

        I can’t say I remember macaroni art, but I am sorry you had to endure that.

        My situation was unique in the sense that I went to a private Christian school through 9th grade, and at the end of my 9th grade year, they decided to close down the high school part for a couple of years. We had to choose what to do next. Another private school? Or public high school?

        I had already had the experience of the public school on a part time basis, because there were one or two activities (sports basically) that the private school did not offer, so my parents asked the public school administration if I could participate at the end of the day, and they agreed. I would take the bus over there for those. So when the school closed, the choice was obvious for me.

        I remember I had several distinct circles of acquaintances. I was getting invited to the cool parties with the really, really ridiculously good looking people toward the end of that year, and especially in the summer between freshman and sophomore year.

        I used my excellent powers of perception to notice that the circle that included boys scouts, church people, etc NEVER interacted with–on any level–the people from the other group And like I said, up to this point they were not aware that I was more or less masquerading incognito between the two groups.

        I tried to imagine myself as the bridge between the two worlds, driving from a troop meeting in my boy scout uniform to my girlfriends house, take her to a party then back to my room at home for our late night fun. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

        Imagine yourself with the opportunity–at THAT age–to wipe clean your boy scout nerd ways and enter the world of jocks, chicks, parties that up to this point was an impossible to enter secret society and saying, “sure. I chose Eagle Scout.”

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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      • Scott says:

        The funny part is, my mom was really mad (my dad didn’t give a rats ass about boy scouts) and she said my punishment was that I had to go to them and tell them I quit.

        I was like “um, OK.”

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  7. Scott says:

    And here’s something else. Where is the analog conversation for women? What prosocial feminine values do they discuss amongst themselves about? Where do they go to encourage each other to be better people every day?

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    • professorGBFMtm2021 says:

      Rhetorical commentary,right scott? You&I could fill up every post here with such aloof ponderings!W’re more similar than not,right?

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    • Red Pill Apostle says:

      Scott – I am sure you are a wonderful therapist, but your career in comedy is much brighter!

      It used to be Titus 2:3-5 as older generations of women taught the younger ones the ropes. This is exceedingly rare these days, and even when women try to live this biblical command they are excoriated for running adverse to the heard.

      My family is prototypical of Dalrock’s analysis of the different waives of feminism. My parents are early baby boom and have the external trappings of the patriarchy without the teaching. Mom cooked, cleaned, and ran the house. But she also worked and my brother and I were told stories of grandpa’s controlling nature and that we wouldn’t be those kinds of men when we grew up so biblical marriage was not taught. We both married professional women who grew up assuming egalitarianism was the way marriage is and neither of us had the tools at the time to correct this prior to marriage.

      So my brother and I were effectively ignorant of biblical marriage, but are both bound and determined to make sure our sons have knowledge we did not. Also, I’m stealing your list of masculine traits to put my own spin on them and add scripture references for what is turning out to be a very long letter to my sons.

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      • Robin Hardman says:

        A few of us are throwing caution to the wind and getting back to promoting righteous patriarchy/biblical marriage. It’s an uphill battle, but we have to start somewhere. Oh, and by the way, check out 113restoration.com

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    • redpillboomer says:

      Yes, I too had heard that ‘back-in-the-day’ in our culture the older women taught the younger women various things like cooking, sewing, housekeeping, child rearing techniques, etc to prepare them to be wives with families at a fairly, what is now considered, very young age- late teens/early twenties. In fact, when I was in Junior High School in the 1970s, they still had as electives a ‘Home Economics’ class for the girls (that’s the way it seemed to me, primarily for the girls), and a ‘Woodworking’ class for the boys. Faint memory, but it seemed like the Home Economics class was already beginning to be not only phased out, but not something a lot of the girls shied away from with the feminist life script beginning to take hold. Seems so archaic now, but in thinking about it, the electives were set up long before that to prepare the females and the males for the roles they would be playing around the house. The boys becoming the men and fathers taking care of the house and yard, the girls becoming the women and wives/mothers taking care of the inside of the house and the family.

      Btw, I listened to a clip the other day on Youtube about some show where families swap the wife/mother into the other family for a period of time. I’d vaguely heard about this show somewhere along the line, but knew nothing about it. Anyways, the Manosphere content creator was reviewing the clip of a swap where a traditional mother went to a non-traditional, egalitarian family, and vice versa. The non-traditional family was like ‘Wowed Over!’ by the traditional mom making home cooked meals, getting the house cleaned, the clothes laundered, and even the garden started up. I got the idea that she wasn’t also a ’50’s stereotypical mom’ in that she also ran a profitable home business back in her real family. The husband and kids of the non-traditional home didn’t want to let her go they were so overwhelmed.

      As for the traditional family getting Ms. Egalitarian wife/mother, they were like ‘What the???’ No home cooked meals, take-out or something easy to make, no house cleaning to speak of, hubby and kids (under 12 years old), do your own damn laundry She also gave the hubby some attitude when he suggested a thing or two to her about what she might ‘consider doing’ for the family as his temp wife and the kids mother. You can imagine how that went over with her and her feminist attitude. He got a lecture in return about him creating a more egalitarian arrangement with his wife when she returned.

      I realize this was some Reality TV thing, but it was interesting in terms of the families reactions to the different roles the traditional wife/mother played/fulfilled Vs the non-traditional wife/mother. Clear distinction, with one family happy, the other…well, I’m sure no tears were shed when the egalitarian mom headed back to her family and big corporate career.

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  8. bee123456 says:

    Awesome adventure with your dad. Great trip and time together.

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  9. Lastmod says:

    Summer 1984…June….a few days after school ended. Jr high. Alomst 14. Dad and I took a week in the “high peak wilderness area” of the Adirondacks. We hiked the tallest mountain (Mt Marcy) in the state. We fended off bears at Marcy Dam. Bushwhacked up Sunrise Mt. I bathed in Lake Tear of the Clouds (where the mighty Hudson River starts). Floated packs on Avalanche Lake swimming across to the cliff side to scale Mt Colden.. crossing Volkswagen (bogs)…such a long time ago…a billion memories. Gorgeous topography too. I used my basic jr high French on the Quebecquois met met on the trail who were visiting from Canada.

    Dad telling me over campfires deep, deep in that wilderness about his adventures here with the Boy Scouts over thirty years before (early 1950’s). The stories of “this” (the Adirondacks) were a part of who we are (Upstaters). How he mentioned that “Poland had nothing on the beauty of this area or nation” The legend of Mt Marcy that all should ascend once….but fools ascend twice. With me, he was no longer a “fool” because it was his third and “final” ascent he at the time told me. It was. My father was 49 at that time.

    It was mine as well. My dad and I only really got along when we camped, canoed, and hiked together. There were other hikes. Camping. But this hike in June 1984 was “that moment” when I just had my dad to myself. He talked of Poland (and how he would never return). He never did. He spoke of meeting my mom at a gas station. Their first dates. He told me that he liked me “like this” (camping with him).

    I have hiked and will continue to trek back to New York State to hike and camp in the Adirondacks. But I will never ascend Mt Marcy again.

    Why? Because it is a perfect memory that I will never be able to recreate. It was just me and my dad. It was a moment….a rite of sorts….and it belongs with him.it belongs in that long ago year of 1984…

    Before high school. Before being a bratty teen. Before summer jobs. SATs. Before prep school….before….well. everything. Before cynicism. Before anger. Begore resentment…
    Before college and California

    It belongs to me and the old man. Forever it will be.

    Great story Jack.

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  10. bee123456 says:

    My dad took me canoe camping. We took a tent, supplies and food in the canoe. We camped along the river bank.

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  11. feeriker says:

    “I was called a prude by many fellow Scoutmasters at camp when I mentioned that the lifeguard (early 20 something woman who was smoking hot) was sunning herself on the rocks in the swim area driving my older boys crazy.”

    And of course the new PC response to this situation, not only from the feminist/feminized secular society, but from “Christians” as well, will always be along the lines of:

    “Women shouldn’t have to modify their behavior just because men and boys can’t keep their hormones in check!”

    Got that, guys? It’s up to YOU to override and reprogram tens of thousands of years of human biology, designed in accordance with God’s blueprint, in order to appease the feral female imperative.

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    • redpillboomer says:

      She knew EXACTLY what she was doing! Attention/validation outside the Internet platforms, showing off her body off to incite lust in the boys and men. Many years ago, we had a female lifeguard at our local swimming pool who did the same thing. Even though it is decades later, I still remember how she entered and exited the pool, the way she accented her curves, and she had a lot of them. At the time I loved it, but she knew exactly what she was doing. She was inciting lust in the males, young and old.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        RP Boomer – She was inciting sexual attraction in males young and old. There is a component of lust that involves trying to possess something that belongs to another, which is covetousness.

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  12. Scott says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there who had their children taken away through anti male courts and who are working extra jobs to pay frivolous child suppprt payments while living in squalor.

    I hope that one day when they turn 18 they come find out for themselves what a self sacrificing super stud you were while their mother constantly trash talked you.

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    • feeriker says:

      And on that same note, a rare shout-out of thanks to COVID-19 for closing most of America’s “churches” so that most Christian father’s are spared today from having to listen to some churchian CEO grifter condescendingly lecture them about what failures as men, husbands, and fathers they are.

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    • whiteguy1 says:

      Same to you Scott, today has totally sucked, my kids are now completely alienated from me, haven’t seen either of them in almost 4 months.

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  13. lastmod says:

    On Scouting.

    I ran an inner city Troop. It was the first Troop in downtown Fresno since the early 1970’s. Mostly American-Mexican boys. A few whites. Couple of Asians.

    I told the parents that this Troop was going to camp and hike. Putting the “outing” in Scouting.

    The first summer at BSA camp….many of the boys were scared of the dark. These were real city boys. At camp it got DARK. It frustrated me at first. Many thought they were “tough” and not afraid of anything. Scouting provided a safe place for boys to learn and build each other up without the pressure to impress parents, school friends and girls. A place of trust and growth.

    We started slowly. But by the fourth year our Troop was in Yosemite three times a summer WAY out. We also did a canoe trip on the San Joquine River. Yes, we did cleanup in the ‘hood.

    By the second year I began to make the boys wear their Uniforms on meeting days to school. Parents were delighted….Scouts were upset. At first. I would go to the high school and check. I made connections with the local principal and guidance counselor there as well. Yes, on meeting days. I would wear mine as well out and about

    I had a Marine Color Guard come to a meeting and do a presentation. It really hit right with them. These young men in dress. Checking everything. Details. Honor. Pride. It helped. These boys loved it.

    I demanded B grades from the boys. I offered homework help a hour before meetings.

    This took time. Lots of it. By the third year it exploded in membership. From six boys to over 35. I had no assistant. I depend on my two SPLs. This is when the Salvation Army (the charter org) got jealous. I was told by the “real men” that I wasn’t “qualified” to run a youth group when I first came.. So I decided to run a Scout program. My boys were climbing Hslf-Dome while the Salvation Army boys youth group were singing “baby songs” and basically had a youth Bible study. I just didn’t walk in and have a great Scout Troop. It took years of hard work.

    Scouting could be great again…but it takes work….and hobestly…..I hit more push back from MEN than I did women. Most of the ladies in church loved what I was doing. Scout mons as well.

    The pressure was on to remove the charter.

    I am not some amazing leader. I knew how to walk deeper. I knew exactly what it was like as a teen to be “not cool” and made fun of. Picked on. Bullied.

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    • feeriker says:

      Scouting could be great again…but it takes work

      BSA might be a lost cause, but the values and practices that were once its core and that you exemplified to the boys in your charge could be brought back again in some other organizational form. The question is whether the remnant of society that still holds such values will support it.

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      • Let’s say “the remnant of society” does create another organization that whose purpose is to be what the BSA was 50 years, which I personally think would be great. How will they protect that organization from being destroyed in the same way the BSA was?

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      • Scott says:

        It’s probably a good idea to point out that there is no more “society” or remnant thereof. We live in a totally interconnected global “culture” now that rules in a very top-heavy fashion to ensure compliance. It includes all social media, all technology, corporations, governments, etc. It operates not unlike the Eye of Sauron, and any time a group or individual makes too much fuss, it focuses on that target and destroys it or co-opts it, if needed.

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      • Titus2Homemaker says:

        There are similar organizations. Like Trail Life.

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      • Scott says:

        The problem is the convergence and powers that be cannot tolerate the bedrock American value of freedom of association because it necessarily implies the freedom to disengage (not associate).

        Therefore, the label “homophobe” or “misogynistic” or whatever will land on and eventually stick to Trail Life and AHG and all the rest of it. And they will cave or be destroyed.

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      • Scott says:

        Actually I should be more precise

        It has been decreed that freedom of association is not ok when the bad groups do it

        Christians, Americans of European descent, etc.

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    • whiteguy1 says:

      Jason, dude, you just brought a real tear to my eye. THANK YOU. From all the boys that you helped grow into men, THANK YOU! You should be proud of what you accomplished, and if never hear it from one of YOUR BOYS, hear it from me. Thank you for leading these boys.

      You might not have a woman/family of your own, but what you did for those few years for those young men will be REVERBERATE through time! You taught these young men the value of pride in their work, their appearance, facing difficult tasks, how to lean on another man/men if you are struggling with life.
      There were things my father didn’t do for me that my scout leaders did for me growing up that I will FOREVER be INDEBTED TO!

      Honestly man, no more pity parties from you! You have changed more peoples lives than most people on this earth for the better. If no one else notices this, and lots of us men have, GOD noticed.
      Good job my friend, and I hope you have a great week this week, because you just made mine.

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      • lastmod says:

        Its something I am good at. I know all boys don’t mature at the same pace due to upbringing and just puberty kicking in earlier for some. Later than others. I let the Scouts razz each other a bit. I forbade straight bullying, teasing. All my Scouts had their moments. My only Eagle (who is in the USAF, a Master Sergeant. Pretty wife)….his first year was terrified of the dark at Scout camp. I didn’t mock. I didn’t belittle.

        Welll….four years after that. We had a tender, shy boy. Age 12. He was having a hard time at first. My Eagle was not giving a hard time….but would laugh when he was being teased. I pulled him aside “Hey…you. you don’t have to be his friend. You don’t and should not enable….but you set the tone here with the rest of these vatos. Remember when you first came? Yeah? Crying all night at camp?” I said with a smile.

        He nodded. “Understood Scoutmaster…I’ll set the tone.” He did….and boys like this new Scout. Immature. Still a boy….not a teen. A bit sheltered. If he can’t at least be welcomed by fellow boys in a Troop…..why have it? He needs to know he needs to step up, but his Scouting peers have to allow him to.

        Yes…I lost my temper once. Blew my cool way up on Sonora Pass. Thunderstorm rolling in. The Scouts goofing off….playing tag….trying to pin each other down and fart on heads (boys….I tell ya). I kept telling them to get camp up. Downpour starting. I finally used the whistle, the dad voice, and cussed them out. They fell into line. However….the whole long weekend was tainted by my “un Scout like” behavior.

        I wasn’t perfect

        I was viewed with suspicion by many in my Corps….a single man. No children leading a Troop. Even in the local council found it odd.
        The parents of these boys loved me for it.

        I taught two boys to shave. I talked about girls with the older Scouts around a campfire after the younger ones hit their tents. Always appropriately. My older ones asked “Scoutmaster why are you single?” Always had to be very factual. But brief.

        A younger Scout hugging me after a great week at Scout camp (2015) tears in his eyes “I wish you were my dad!”

        Gettin to his level and clearly explaining that “I am not your father.” Boundries had to be kept…but I said it as loving and caring as I could.

        And then getting home….and like a wimpy kid, I broke down and cried.

        It was such an adventure. I miss it, and I missed out as a teen. I should’ve stuck it out

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      • lastmod says:

        I didn’t really do anything Whiteguy. Scouting has always been urgently needed in the cities. Even in the mid sixties it was so. I won’t say it was worth it. Men in the top of Scouting decided to drink and bleed it dry….they leave unscathed. The boys suffered for their greed, ineptitude and short term thinking. Very un- Scout like.

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    • professorGBFMtm2021 says:

      When those ”real men” talk ”qualified”,I always salute them with amazing take-no-prisoners gutso,they can’t even please these ”beautiful,beautiful women” with their groveling,but have things to tell men that are getting real world results!
      I wonder are the real men of BSA ”ready for real life”tm as we head into the coming battles of non-binary sexes who will be like those real men demanding a cushy scouting lifestyle&jobs!?

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  14. locustsplease says:

    Me and a lot of men kinda have a thing like this its being tossed into a world after highschool with nearly zero advice from older men. Ending my relationship with my father and critiquing my own parenting has shown stark differences. My dad told me nearly zero about anything except making money. Never told me not to have sex or to have sex. Religion? Date? Marry? Reproduce? No life advice stories? Unreal.

    Everything was fluff filler. Oh look at the weather. Dont do that its dangerous. The good thing is that he was such a spiritually delinquent parent that he wasnt hard to break from.

    A cool story like the one above? Not a chance ive got stories like when he remarried and all of us went to Hawaii. His new wife didnt want the vacation to b all about me so i wasnt allowed to go fishing. At all anywhere the entire trip. Our ocean side shanty, they rent fishing gear within sight, people fishing at the beach behind our place every day, 14 days. Literally walked to the dock with my dad and looked at the fishing boats and gear. While she was on a day long tourist adventure. My wife says no. What a blue pill feminist slave!

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    • Jeff Barnes says:

      Same here bro. Scouting would have been something I would be afraid to do but would have been a really upbuilding experience. Hearing Lastmod’s stories also brought a tear to my eyes. My Dad almost only engaged in small talk with me. Looking back any bonding experiences were shallow and usually about him and his interests. He is an absent, narcissistic parent not worthy to be called a father. It is so spiritually, and emotionally healing for me to refer to the Orthodox clergy in my life by the title Father. The huge hole left in society for masculine/fatherly guidance or support as you guys probably well know was fuel for the Jordan Peterson phenomenon who has as his primary audience young men. Around the Orthodox churches I go to, there has been developing a group of young men who before they converted were rather isolated, without many friends or a community.

      “The good thing is that he was such a spiritually delinquent parent that he wasnt hard to break from.” I refer to my parents and primarily my dad as a negative role model, i.e I knew how exactly I do not want to be. That was a good start but of course positive role models are essential. When you grow up in a narcissistic family system so many natural, good, orderly things are inverted. Inversion is the work of the devil. I can see many patterns in the world far more easily than the average naive individual because of my dysfunctional family upbringing that I have understood and healed from.

      “The measure of a man is in the lengths he is willing to go, in his fight to survive, to impose his will, and to preserve his ways of life. The ancient rite of passage puts a young man at the forefront of his own masculinity, and instils a much needed sense of confidence and self-reliance.”

      I talked to a friend about this the other day, my rite of passage was confronting and healing my trauma, as well as finding and becoming an Orthodox Christian. He said becoming a baptised Orthodox is a great rite of passage, which by God’s grace we found.

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  15. cameron232 says:

    “trying to pin each other down and fart on heads (boys….I tell ya)”

    I still enjoy doing that to other guys.

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    • Lastmod says:

      Well….you know.

      All in all Scouting should be an opportunity for all boys to help guide them into young men. Every state in this fine Union has vast outdoor resources to help this as well.

      Lord Baden Powell only took a small stipend for Scouting. He didn’t need a fleet of lawyers, an HR dept, nor did he need to pay people to help raise money. He even slept outside on his porch in a tent well into his old age.

      You know….Hitler hating Scouting. He took it, twisted it into something evil…..the HJ (Hitler Jungen). Its not the same thing today…..but the men running Scouting actually hate the organization. They have turned it into a “career track” with bonuses, pensions….and they have bled it dry. They allowed evil (molestation of boys in particular) without facing it immediately and punishing the culprits. They viewed it as a resource to be used, exploited and bled dry for their own gain.

      They created a massive amount of of daily business, paperwork, forms and at the same time allowed people outside to dictate what Scouting is. They became beholden to corporate donations and sponsors in order to operate.

      I don’t feel sorry for any of them. Or the organization.

      We can look and say “it happened bc of this. Simple.” I will say the decline began fifty years ago….were just seeing the full results now.

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  16. Titus2Homemaker says:

    Far be it from me to dismiss the potential VALUE in such rites of passage. But as this is a post for Christian men, I have to ask why the standard here is primarily the pagan world, and not Scripture. How does this concept fit in with Scriptural instruction, and with historical Jewish application of it? We know that there are Bar and Bat Mitzvahs (for boys and girls, respectively), but were there such life-or-death rituals involved? And if not, although we can say such rituals have VALUE, can we point to them as ESSENTIAL?

    I ask that not to evade the issue of such forms of entering manhood, but because if rites of passage of that nature are not essential, then we might need to dig deeper to determine what the factors ARE that ensure our boys grown into men and not just overgrown boys.

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    • whiteguy1 says:

      Jack this is your clubhouse…I will defer to you, do you want to take this?

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    • Scott says:

      In general, this site, and sites like it are cordial and even inviting to the comments of women on all manner of topics. However, when it comes to things like “what it takes to be/make men” they are quite a bit less so.

      This is because, for several generations, we have listened to the grievances of woman and their thoughts on what it takes to be a man. We have attended to, processed and tried desperately to implement these ideas with ubiquitously disastrous results.

      It’s best that these matters be left to men who are trying to make sense of a world that has turned its back on men, leaving all but the best looking, strongest, most physically attractive ones (to women) out in the cold because they foolishly bought the lies they were told about how to develop themselves into potential husbands and fathers.

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      • professorGBFMtm2021 says:

        Anything that women don’t approve of is called not a masculine trait!Where has that gotten everyone?
        If men telling the truth to anybody is assholery then you should not be a christian either!
        Moses&jesus told everyone, kings,men,women&children the hard truth of life,so what would you call them?John the baptizer A.K.A.”The greatest man to ever live that was born among women before jesus who- was- even- greater” also confronted herod&the delicate women who conspired together to murder(Is murder feminine trait?To most men of the last 50+years it sure does seem so!) him,was this evil&not masculine behavior?
        See if women-friendly non-sense will save the west!
        Women should be concerned with their primary duties,when they stopped doing that,we ended up with the current world we all live in!

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    • Jack says:

      Titus2Homemaker,

      Let me get this straight.

      Another way to rephrase what you are saying is that valuable means useful, and essential means necessary. As such, your statement can be paraphrased as, “…although we can say such rituals are USEFUL, can we point to them as NECESSARY?” Please correct me if I have misunderstood.

      You are suggesting that whatever is valuable and essential about male rites of passage can be further factored into lower common denominators, under the assumption that the rite of passage can be (or should be) entirely eliminated. In doing so, you are questioning what qualities or traits are necessary to promote masculinity. This is where Scott’s comment picks up. I agree with Scott that this is a challenge that only men can deal with, and is best left to men.

      However, since you are a woman expressing interest in this endeavor, I will say that women can be conducive to this process by “allowing” men to devote time and energies towards helping each other satisfy this developmental need. By “allowing”, I mean women should let men do their thing without trying to control the process or the outcome. “Allowing” also means that women should not discourage, disrespect, or dismiss men for needing to face this challenge. All women need to do is wait at the finish line, and cheer for the competition. Your enthusiastic support is greatly valued.

      I have to say this because all in all, your comment is a subtle reframe of the discussion which undermines the fundamental content of the discussion by questioning its necessity. Instead, women should be joyfully observing the proceedings with an anticipation of what it will lead to. You can think of it like watching a football game. Cheer and boo all you want, but it is improper for the spectators to throw tomatoes at individual players, nor run out to the field until after the game is over.

      You have dismissed the rite of passage (as discussed in this post) as being a pagan endeavor. This is a good point worth considering. Personally, I feel the male rite of passage is more fundamental to our humanity than being merely a religious tradition. It pushes a man to his limit, teaches him humility, and brings him to trust both God and the man by his side. Provided that we are serious about the implementation, and until we have other working options on hand, I think there is little use in differentiating between the value/usefulness and the essentiality/necessity of such an endeavor.

      Right now, we are losing many organizations and institutions that once offered a rite of passage to young men. Once those are gone, what will be left? What will become of the young men who never faced themselves in a struggle against reality during a rite of passage? The answer is what neither men nor women would want.

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      • Scott says:

        It should be noted that these rites, whether formalized or not, are found in every culture across time. Therefore, one can reasonably conclude that making the distinction between pagan/Christian is a subtle form of “no true Scotsman” combined with a kind of fatalism.

        Once you start trying to figure out if your particular rite of passage passes the “is it biblical” test, you’ve already lost sight of the universal truth (and problem) that it is trying to solve.

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      • Titus2Homemaker says:

        Having reread a couple of these comments, it seems a clarification might be in order. I think I might have given Scott the impression I was saying such rituals are pagan IN QUALITY, and should somehow be stripped down to certain “acceptable” parts. That’s not at all what I intended to convey, nor would I endorse such stripping-down. I apologize if I gave the impression I thought rites of passage like these should be emasculated or made “safe.”

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      • Scott says:

        What I suspect will happen is that we are entering a sort of spiritual dark age that will be further perpetuated by the unbelievably intrusive technologies of the day. Rites of passage, which are not really optional for men will evolve organically in that context and only the most powerfully transformative ones will still be standing at the end of that age. No one will be able to just create one out of thin air, because they must rise from the heap of low-brow crap that we all live in today. They must be elevating to the human condition–a true testament to what men can accomplish in the face of great despair.

        Not just rites of passage are this way. All multi-generational rituals have this feature. When my family prays to our Slava (Saint George) we contemplate what the icon meant, during the Ottoman occupation. It was placed as a secret symbol of the Kljajic’ family meetings behind closed doors while they planned counter offensives against the oppressor. You can’t make stuff like that up no matter how noble your purpose.

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      • Just a thought: Ever considered adding a disclaimer that women should not be allowed to comment or refrain from commenting for certain posts? Cane Caldo used to have this very strict policy for his blog. I understand that some of your posts may require a different perspective from the weaker sex but for such posts (about manhood), I believe women should keep silent.

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      • Jack says:

        CoRP,
        I do have a comment policy, but I don’t have a strict rule about preventing or deleting comments from women, and there are several reasons why I don’t clamp down on women’s comments here.
        1. That is what the “Readership” field is for, and I think most female readers get the hint when it says “men”.
        2. We usually don’t have too many nasty comments from women here (knock on wood).
        3. Men (i.e. the readers who comment) should be able to handle comments from women, and our readers have shown themselves able to do this.
        4. It’s good for other readers to see how comments from women can be handled.
        5. Women’s comments are entertaining and they fuel discussion. It is not uncommon for female commenters to prove RP points correct through their arguments.

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      • professorGBFMtm2021 says:

        Nothing about adult grown ass princess little girls huh,rachel?Nothing about rampant misogyny either?Many have claimed patriarchy for cash&prizes,even men like jesse powell!

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      • Titus2Homemaker says:

        @professorGBFMtm2021, uncalled-for general assholery toward women is not a masculine trait. Just sayin’.

        As to my initial comment, yes, “…although we can say such rituals are USEFUL, can we point to them as NECESSARY?” is an accurate summation. My concern, if you want to call it that, is not that it is pagan TO have such a ritual or that they should be done away with, but that if the Bible does not require them (which I’m not aware of it doing, but if it does, I’d love to see that as part of the discussion), then they must be accomplishing something the Bible DOES require — and it could be beneficial all around to have a stronger grasp of that so even those without the same opportunities for such rituals can make the most of the opportunities they do have.

        And as the mother of a son, I happen to think these are very important conversations for me to be part of. I’m charged with encouraging my son to become a man of conviction, character, and courage, and providing him with both the proper direction and space to do that. Discouraging mothers from participating in conversations about how to raise strong men does not seem conducive to the goal of raising a generation of strong men.

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      • Jack says:

        In response to Titus2Homemaker,

        “And as the mother of a son, I happen to think these are very important conversations for me to be part of.”

        It’s good for you to be in the know so that you can set appropriate expectations. But you should beware of women’s innate proclivities to infiltrate and control the men’s sphere, and try to discipline yourself not to interfere.

        “I’m charged with encouraging my son to become a man of conviction, character, and courage, and providing him with both the proper direction and space to do that.”

        “Charged with” is a powerful statement. I’m assuming that it comes from your personal convictions about seeing your son raised well. I applaud your conscientious determination in this endeavor. But I’m sure it will behoove you to know that women cannot teach men masculinity. Only men can do that. Women can only teach men femininity, and offer encouragement and inspiration. The Bible advises that women should not teach (be in authority over) men, so let’s just stick to the encouragement and inspiration. By the way, have you considered taking the Singing Sister challenge?

        “Discouraging mothers from participating in conversations about how to raise strong men does not seem conducive to the goal of raising a generation of strong men.”

        By all means, I encourage you to get your husband and son to read up on Biblical Red Pill and Christian Manosphere topics, and let them hammer it out. If you want to get involved with the discussion, then ask your husband about it. We see this as the proper way for (married) women to participate in the conversation. (Unmarried women should ask their father.)

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      • Titus2Homemaker says:

        lol My son is currently 8. Are you suggesting I’m “teaching men” by parenting him?

        And for the record, I’m not attempting to “control” the conversation here. I’m not attempting to TELL anyone here anything about what they should think. I’m asking for further, expanded teaching — increased opportunity to have insights to LISTEN to.

        Being that you seem to think your blog is a church meeting, I’ll see myself out.

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  17. Red Pill Apostle says:

    I was reading Matthew 4 earlier today which is the temptation of Jesus and then the start of his ministry. It is interesting to me that Christ went through what was essentially a rite of passage and after that he starts his ministry. I believe a commenter up thread asked something along the lines if there was a biblical basis for rites of passage and this is one good example. In it we see the pushing of body, mind and spirit in overcoming evil. Satan knows scripture. He probably knew who Jesus was and what Jesus on earth meant for him and so he threw his best at Jesus to derail the process.

    There are a few things that jumped out at me. Satan approaches the temptation with the frame that Jesus is human and subject to human desires and weakness. We see this in the 3 things he chooses to use to temp Jesus, physical comfort, mental/logic trap and then wealth/power. Much like with Eve, he targets the suspected weak spots and as he often does contorts what would otherwise be good things to make them evil, such as he does in making sex, possessions, pride, etc into idols.

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