Sex Appeal is not strongly correlated with Beauty

What makes Plain Jane so irresistible?

Readership: Men
Author’s Note: This post received some input from NovaSeeker.
Reader’s Note: This post will conclude this month’s theme: The Inspiration of Beauty and Nature.

Introduction

In Asia, there is an idiom/stereotype that beautiful women marry rich men, and ugly women marry foreigners. It is laughed about, because everyone thinks it’s true.

But as a foreigner myself, I disagree. I think that the foreign men I know who are married to Taiwanese wives, have very attractive wives – much more attractive than the average wife in Taiwan. I always recognized this as a cultural difference. But after mulling it over, I’ve realized that Asians are judging the attractiveness of a woman by Asian beauty standards, which place more value on facial attractiveness than any other aspect of aesthetic beauty, while foreign men typically judge the attractiveness of a woman based on her sex appeal. There is a difference.

This post will take a look at a few pictorial examples and review some of these differences.

What are the markers of female attractiveness?

In my experience, I’ve seen that outstanding beauty is not strongly correlated with attractiveness, or more bluntly, sex appeal. For example, supermodels are supposed to fit the bill of a perfect beauty, but there are lots of supermodels who can’t pass a basic boner test. Then there are some women who are so average looking, not even modestly beautiful, and yet somehow, they have the ability to attract a lot of male attention, incite desire, and draw out men’s protective instinct (or maybe just from certain kinds of men). I’ve also noticed that the latter type of women usually have many of the following aspects.

  • Dimorphously feminine
  • All the physical attributes of fertility (e.g. younger looking, thin, large perky bust, low WHR, etc.).
  • Physical attributes of good health (e.g. long, thick, shiny hair, a glowing complexion, physically fit, etc.)
  • They usually have healthy looking skin, but not always. Some have very bad acne, but it doesn’t detract from the overall effect.
  • Modestly applied makeup, or none at all
  • A certain vulnerability in their personal presentation
  • “Simple minded”, not in the sense of being dumb, but in the sense of being happy, thankful, humble, and demure. They don’t have a cynical, elaborate mental image of men and people in general.

I think something similar happens for women too, in how they view some men. I know that some women go nuts over certain men who are rather average by every classical Manospherian estimation. It’s hard to tell either what percentage of people are like this, or what percentage of people experience attraction in this way. The actual number may be larger than we might guess, because a guy is unlikely to brag about having the hots for Slow Poke Sally.

Case Study – Purple Lena

NovaSeeker brought this example on Instagram to my attention as we were working on the coverage of OnlyFans back in February. This is a university student from Germany who posts no really racy pictures — no bathing suits, no lingerie, no “covered” nude shots, etc.  She has an average face at best (perhaps even below average in some men’s estimations), and doesn’t seem to even really try with her hair. (It isn’t terrible, but it isn’t like what girls who are serious about IG pics try do with their hair.) But admittedly, she has a very nice body — curvy, leggy, fairly fit, and firm, nice skin.

She doesn’t have an OF, but she has a Patreon page where she sells patronages and “VIP memberships”.  She says there openly that there are no nudes or even lingerie pictures, but just more pictures than what she posts on IG, and some “behind the scenes”, and that she will read DMs.  The highest level (“VIP”) costs $117 per month!  She says she limits these to 10, total, but the site says only 4 are remaining — so that means she’s getting at least around $700 a month, from 6 “VIPs”, and who knows how much from her lower status levels (the next level down costs $17.50/month).  I’ll bet she’s making around USD$1,000 per month.  And this is by having a very small number of guys pay, and not having any nude/lingerie/sexy content (other than the “sexy” street clothes you can see girls wearing every summer in any public space), and the “privilege” of her reading your DMs.  And this for a girl who is not even a minor celeb, and who doesn’t have an objectively pretty face. But obviously, there must be something about her that is considered attractive to men.

If this girl were willing to take pictures in her underwear and bathing suits, she’d probably make a few thousand USD per month quite easily, and again, she isn’t a beauty queen.

It’s really incredible what guys will pay for.  There are lots of desperate guys out there driving this, no doubt. But even so, a man could, just as easily, drop his money on another girl who has a more beautiful face and is posting nudes, or else browse the perfect 10s on Porn Tube for free.

I would not doubt that this German girl is getting most of her money from German gamer dudes who have seen her on gaming streams and so on, because she says that’s how she got started posting pictures in response to requests from her viewers.

Propinquity and familiarity (or virtual propinquity/familiarity in this case) might explain this.

Photo Gallery

I’ve collected a few photographs of women that capture this phenomenon. They appear below in order of decreasing beauty and increasing attractiveness.

Very beautiful, but not very attractive: She’s smoking hot, but something about that piercing gaze says she’s got a high maintenance b!tch shield that’s not worth the effort.
Beautiful, but only moderately attractive: She has a classic feminine beauty, but her watery eyes are cold and empty. That kind of neediness and insecurity combined with fear and distrust will wear a man completely down and out.
Rather beautiful and rather attractive: Another classic feminine beauty, but this one is different. There is no negative energy. I can almost feel what it must be like to put my arm around that gorgeously thin WHR, and keep her walking next to me, hips bumping, until she melts in my arm.
Attractive and somewhat beautiful: Thick dark hair, a charismatic smile, full breasts, and that adorable WHR make her an eye-popping wowzer! Square shoulders, a long, slim neck, and a straight nose add a touch of elegant class.
Attractive, but not so beautiful: Cheesy smile, hair is bohemian, earrings are goofy, arm is as crooked as a horse’s leg… But OMG, that figure! Suddenly all those other oddities now lend a unique charm.
Attractive, but not beautiful: A perfectly proportioned figure, long, thick, shiny hair, and an innocent, playful smile on a young Butter face!
Alluringly attractive, but not beautiful: Good facial symmetry, large eyes, long hair, and a glowing complexion sans makeup, all make her stand out as a prize pick.

Conclusions

As you can see, some of the women pictured above are beautiful but not attractive, while others are attractive but not beautiful.  The cold, statuesque image of beauty is what is toted as the ideal, but this doesn’t necessarily pass the proverbial boner test.

Moreover, I believe there is a spiritual element of attraction that has been completely overlooked or dismissed within Manospherian literature.

A part of this difference might be described as being able to incite desire without being classically beautiful.  It’s hard to tell how humble these women actually are.

Exit Question: What do you think creates sexual appeal when beauty is substandard or lacking?  Please comment.

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41 Responses to Sex Appeal is not strongly correlated with Beauty

  1. Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

    My range is from blue-eyes to red bikini. They’d have to be European, of course, but their figures are stunning. I’m more partial to the top end of the scale, but even red bikini girl looks like she would be more attractive without that silly facial expression. A good looking face is my preference, once body and face both clear the minimum election threshold level.

    I think that the cold beauty is desirable for the implicit loyalty. If she is cold, she isn’t likely to go wandering around. It’s the ideal of a lady in the streets and a lover in the sheets.

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  2. thedeti says:

    In my mind, there’s cute/pretty, hot, and sexy. Women can be one, or a combination, or all three. All three are attractive.

    These will date me.

    Cute/pretty is wholesome, approachable. Cute/pretty: Meg Ryan. Jennifer Love Hewitt. Most actresses under age 35 today are cute/pretty.

    Hot is physical attractiveness and a well-constructed body. Women like this exist to attract male attention. (Hot is often confused with sexy. Not so. A woman can be hot, but not sexy. A woman can be sexy, but not hot. A woman can be both.) Hot: Pamela Anderson. Megan Fox. The Landers sisters. Alexandra Daddario. These women are hot, but they’re not sexy.

    Sexy is a state of mind, an attitude. Sexy isn’t worn or born. It’s learned. It’s exuded. It’s slightly masculine. Most sexy women have a tinge of masculine appearance to them. Sexy is “My purpose is to get men into bed.” This is more persona than the women who portray them.

    Sexy is the MILF next door. Julie Newmar. Eartha Kitt. Ann Jillian. Charo. Jennifer Coolidge. Robin Wright (current day, not “Princess Bride”). Note: None of these women are hot. But they are sexy.

    Bo Derek in “10” was hot and sexy.

    Marilyn Monroe was all three. Monroe was the first and best known woman of the modern era who demonstrated the masculine ideal of “the perfect woman”: Cute/pretty, hot, and sexy, all rolled into one.

    Sofia Vergara is all three.

    These two women are, at the same time, cute/pretty, hot, and sexy. It is nearly impossible to pull off all three, but these two women could do it.

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    • thedeti says:

      A woman usually cannot become sexy until she’s older. Looking back on my life, only one of the women I dated before I married was sexy. Almost all were cute, or hot. A couple were cute and hot. The only one who was sexy was a redhead my age. She was not really cute. She was more hot than cute. But she was sexy, and she is the only sexy woman I ever dated before I got married.

      I’ve met other sexy women since I got married, but they are all at least 35.

      Obviously, sexy is the toughest to pull off because it’s less a body habitus than an attitude. Most young women lack the bearing, confidence, or experience to display sexiness. Being a sexy woman almost always requires having had sexual experience. Sexy can be learned, I think. Most women can learn sexiness and how to show it to their husbands. But they will need sexual experience.

      Most men looking for “sexy” in their wives will be disappointed, I think.

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      • anonymous_ng says:

        IDK, I can think of two women off the top of my head that exuded sex appeal, but neither was particularly attractive. One was a woman I saw getting on the train in Philadelphia. She was wearing jeans and a polo shirt, and looked like she played linebacker for the Eagles, but there was just something inexplicable about her that was sexy.

        The other was a young coed in a dark bar with an obvious chubby belly, but again, she just exuded that something that set her apart from those around her.

        Maybe I’m missing on what you’re trying to describe.

        I recall reading somewhere about why some older men can flirt with young women without being creepy and the explanation was thus(paraphrased): most men can’t pull it off because they are insecure in themselves and in their abilities as a lover. The man who can pull it off is secure in himself as a sexual being, and knows his talent as a lover.

        I wonder if this is the kind of idea you are aiming to express, a woman who likes sex, and isn’t afraid to subtly show a bit of that side as an aside to the rest of their personality. IDK. I can’t describe it well either.

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      • thedeti says:

        “Maybe I’m missing on what you’re trying to describe.

        A woman who likes sex, and isn’t afraid to subtly show a bit of that side as an aside to the rest of their personality. IDK. I can’t describe it well either.”

        No, you’re right on target.

        Sexy is highly subjective. But to me, the sexy woman is conveying “I am here for sex” and “I am sexually available” and “I am OK with letting people see a small part of that side of me”.

        It’s how women present themselves. It’s how they carry themselves. How they look, walk, move, stand, sit, and interact with others. She likes sex, enjoys sex. More importantly, she understands what sex is for in her life, she understand what she likes and doesn’t like sexually, and she understands what kind of men she likes and doesn’t like. She has a good relationship to her own sexuality, and she controls her sexuality without letting sexuality control her.

        I think it’s slightly masculine because sexy projects confidence and power – two characteristics that are uniquely masculine. But the sexy woman underplays it and projects an ever so slight amount of confidence and power without being overbearing or dominant or brazen.

        All this is why sexy is so difficult to pull off, and why most women aren’t sexy.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        If you are looking for “sexy” in your wife you might be the blind squirrel that finds the nut, but the chances are not in your favor. If you, as a husband, are willing to guide your wife in what you think is sexy, then your chances are much better. It’s our jobs as a husband to set the mission and that includes the married sex life.

        If we take this Biblical, women are made for men. I know, I know, in this post-feminist, “you go girl” world some heads just exploded. So husbands it is up to you to let your wife know what gets your engines running. Tell her what she needs to hear to build her confidence and over time what you may find yourself with is a damn sexy wife. It’s not a perfect fix, but if we move the needle to 50% of marriages that would be a massive leap forward.

        Know that what I wrote above is possible. The first 17 years of marriage for me break down like this. 10 where she controlled access (1x weekly, and this included the newlywed phase). Then 7 that were clinically sexless (1x every 2-3 months). In one year we’ve gone from sexless to 4x a week and she’ll never tell me no. This is God’s grace to me. It showed up in the form of Red Pill concepts and people like Deti and SFC Ton taking time to share their experiences. My hope is that what has happened in my life might help others too.

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      • Jack says:

        I agree with Deti and Anonymous_ng. I have the belief that women who are sexy are women who love sex and who are comfortable with that identity. (But not all women who love sex are sexy.) Women who are sexy usually start having sex at a young age and so it becomes a part of their identity. They have received a lot of positive responses from men, and they have never had any bad experiences in their love life, which fuels their confidence. All of this also explains why sexy women are rather rare.

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      • thedeti says:

        “I have the belief that women who are sexy are women who love sex and who are comfortable with that identity. (But not all women who love sex are sexy.) Women who are sexy usually start having sex at a young age and so it becomes a part of their identity. They have received a lot of positive responses from men, and they have never had any bad experiences in their love life, which fuels their confidence. All of this also explains why sexy women are rather rare.”

        Agree with all this. But I’d point out that even a lot of women who started having sex at a young age and had positive responses from men, or never had bad experiences with sex or love, still aren’t sexy. Most women aren’t sexy – even women who have had sexual experience and who are good at sex.

        Sexy is extraordinarily difficult for women to pull off. Most women can’t do it. A few can, and make it look effortless even though it really isn’t.

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  3. anonymous_ng says:

    I think that I disagree with your photo gallery mostly because I just don’t find Asian women particularly attractive. I can intellectually acknowledge that the woman in the maroon dress is attractive, but I wouldn’t even be interested in getting coffee with her.

    In the photo gallery, I find the top photo to be difficult to fathom because of the filter applied to things. However, to me, she looks like a Southern belle who is sweet, but knows her own worth, but she could also be a high maintenance ball buster. I wouldn’t say one way or the other from that photo.

    IMO, she’s by far the most attractive of the bunch. Also, it’s difficult to make a proper comparison when some are only head shots and others full body photos.

    Thus, for me, the first woman, and the second from the bottom are the most attractive by far.

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    • thedeti says:

      I prefer 4, 5, and 1, in that order.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Finding someone attractive is so subjective. I’d go 3, 1, 4. The woman in the red dress just does it for me.

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      • Jack says:

        “Finding someone attractive is so subjective…”

        Yes, in this month’s exploration of beauty and attractiveness, I’ve gotten to the point where the various features start to break down into personal preferences, so this is where I’ll stop.

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      • info says:

        @Red Pill Apostle,

        We agree on what is good (objective). Not what is best (subjective).

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      • cameron232 says:

        @info women kinda like that. They agree on what’s good (handsome, physically imposing and personality dominant) but are subjective as to which mix of these is best. Gorilla, peacock or rockstarbadboy.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        Most all of them are attractive, but 5 does it for me, i.e. the boner test. She’s not super beautiful in the face, fairly good looking, but those big, shapely tits are screaming to be set free from that red top and given a good working over.

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    • Jack says:

      Anonymous_ng,

      “In the photo gallery, I find the top photo to be difficult to fathom because of the filter applied to things. However, to me, she looks like a Southern belle who is sweet, but knows her own worth, but she could also be a high maintenance ball buster. I wouldn’t say one way or the other from that photo.”

      First of all, you have to recalibrate your “eyes” according to the effects of makeup, lighting, and photo editing. I went over this in the post, Fantasy in Makeup and Photography.

      Next, whenever you’re assessing someone, usually the eyes have it. Do her eyes look like those of one who is trusting, humble, emotionally healthy, and pure? When I look at the woman in the top photo, her eyes tell me that she’s haughty and defensive, not trusting, and she’s just waiting to drop the hammer on anyone who crosses her lines.

      I agree that she’s probably a southern lass, and probably one who is familiar with Christianity, but her acculturation is only a socialized context within which her personal expressions can be properly understood. It’s the inner nature that counts.

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      • anonymous_ng says:

        Jack, you may be right. Here is why I’m not sure.

        My niece is a photo model, and my sister routinely puts her modeling photos on Facebook. Sometimes, I don’t even recognize my niece, and she nearly always looks like she is a stone cold bitch when in real life, she’s not like that at all.

        Given that the photo in question is unquestionably posed, the woman may be putting on an expression for the photographer that is not representative of who she is in her regular life.

        Lastly, as with my niece, the photo editing changing things. When I look at the blonde woman’s eyes, they appear to me to have been edited and as such, I’m just not sure she’s a super-bitch, or just made to appear that way in the photo.

        This is why I won’t commit one way or the other from an edited non-candid photo.

        I grew up very introverted, shy, and insecure. I’ve the habit of a lifetime trying to ferret out information about people by their facial expressions, the drape of their clothes, the creasing of their shoes, of every mannerism and movement. To that end, I get your point. I just can’t read photos where people have been photoshopped into smoothed over simulacra of their real selves.

        I will say that IMO, modeling is a red flag and more likely than not to cause problems.

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  4. info says:

    As said in 1 Peter 3, character really can elevate a woman’s attractiveness above the base that her Genetics give her.

    Likewise, Cleopatra VIII, despite being not quite a looker, had such charm in her speech and mannerisms that both Mark Antony and Julius Caesar were enthralled by her.

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  5. Sharkly says:

    I don’t know how Jack does it, but I just can’t get hardly any reading on a person’s personality just by seeing a picture of them. Except for tattoos and piercings, which generally give off a sense of crudeness. Usually I’ll wait until I’ve interacted with a person a bit before I try to assess what they’re like. While I might have some internalized prejudices and stereotypes, I don’t believe I can read people’s faces, to the point where I hardly ever even try to.

    It might help me if everybody was like Clint Eastwood and their face would start twitching when they got really upset. LOL I don’t know why I don’t read faces, except perhaps it was because my German-engineer father was half Vulcan, like Dr. Spock, and he rarely showed any emotion on his face. And my mom rarely smiled or showed happy expressions, or ever accepted me, so I grew up mainly only seeing frowns from my mom and my dad’s poker face. And my wife has a subconscious fear of close intimacy, so upon marriage she intentionally quit sharing most all emotion too. I really haven’t had good learning material. Or perhaps part of it might be that I don’t care as much how people feel, I live by a predetermined set of rules and principles that doesn’t change according to their mood. After all, I’m 1/4 Vulcan.

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    • Jack says:

      Sharkly wrote,

      “I don’t know how Jack does it…”

      It’s from years and years of reading people’s non-verbal cues and watching their behaviors. In other words, it’s one kind of discernment. It requires study and clinical practice.

      “I just can’t get hardly any reading on a person’s personality just by seeing a picture of them. Except for tattoos and piercings, which generally give off a sense of crudeness. Usually I’ll wait until I’ve interacted with a person a bit before I try to assess what they’re like. While I might have some internalized prejudices and stereotypes, I don’t believe I can read people’s faces, to the point where I hardly ever even try to.
      […]
      I really haven’t had good learning material. Or perhaps part of it might be that I don’t care as much how people feel, I live by a predetermined set of rules and principles that doesn’t change according to their mood.”

      Thank you for confirming what was written in the previous post, Rules and Trust (actually, it was part of NovaSeeker’s contribution to that post) of which the relevant text follows.

      “The trouble is that most men in this culture aren’t good at looking for [characteristics in a woman that would add value to the relationship] — instead they often tend to look for willingness, sexual expertise, and interest, but not really the kind of open-ness, vulnerability, and trust that she is expressing… So no matter whether they are engaging in sex or not, men aren’t actually evaluating the right aspects of [a woman], and are instead fixated on things that can be performed well enough by a skilled prostitute, who is only making herself minimally vulnerable, open, and trusting in the act of sex.”

      To all, if you don’t have a mental model of a person’s character, you’re shooting in the dark whenever you’re interacting with them. So whenever you meet someone, I recommend watching their expressions, mannerisms, and non-verbal cues, and try to form a mental model of that person’s personality. Then as you get to know that person better, see how well your initial assessment stands, and revise it as needed. 90% of the time, first impressions are fairly accurate.

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      • Red Pill Apostle says:

        Most men are bad at picking up unspoken communication. Couple the lack of innate ability with an incorrect understanding about female nature and you end up with men that make bad choices in women.

        Cutting through the chivalrous/churchian/man up/blue pill training that most men get is the first step. Even if you can read the cues, when your framework is wrong, your take on the girl/situation is going to be wrong. Learning to sell helps too. The training is often designed to key you into cues about people and then you have to learn to effectively deal with people of all types if you want to make enough money to live. it’s trial by fire, but that’s what we as men need more of. The winning, the losing, the getting back up again, especially the getting back up again is invaluable.

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  6. cameron232 says:

    These photos including facial expressions are poses – I think you have to invision what the girls look like without “posed” faces.

    Girl 2 and red bikini have the prettiest/cutest faces even with the facial poses.

    The last girl looks masculine – suspect she comes from an ethnic group with low sexual dimorphism.

    I share the other commenter’s strong preference for Euro women – keep that in mind for my comments.

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  7. cameron232 says:

    The body is primarily what makes a girl “hot” (or not). Hot means looking at her makes a man’s mind go to sexual thoughts really quickly (which is why Christian men should avoid leering at body).

    Face is primarily what drives feelings that she’s pretty, which is a warmer, less sexualized feeling probably associated with desire for long term investment in her. This is more appealing to K strategist men – better face better genes (nova’s “face is less democratic”) . r strategist men probably prefer hot or sexy. Maximum sex with maximum fertility women with less concern about offspring investment.

    Hypothesis: K strategist men might prefer pretty over hot because other men are more likely to target “hot” girls for sex both premarital and mate poaching.

    Natural dads emphasize “pretty” relatively more, natural cads emphasize “hot” relatively more?

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    • Novaseeker says:

      That’s cultural to white guys. Asian guys prioritize face for hotness by a long shot over body (not just as a determiner of “cute” or “pretty”, but “hot” as Jack says above). Black guys seem to emphasize body to the same degree that white guys tend to emphasize pretty faces. Lots of cultural preferences at play.

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      • cameron232 says:

        Here’s where I get in trouble – what the hell. The preferences might be biological and cultural (biology and culture are not independent and influence each other).

        Asian men on average are more K-strategist so the face thing not surprising. Not many stacked Asian women if you discount fake boobs, etc.

        Black men are more biologically r strategist ON AVERAGE – not surprised they prefer stacked body. Black women are more endowed on average with “hot” features, hence, “she’s a brick house” and “baby got back”.

        Latinos are highly variable and can be almost all white black or amerindian or any mixture.

        Whites in between. Btw, when the white male/Asian girl fetish was fairly new some white men stated outright that “Asian women don’t get fat” – by that time white women did get fat often.

        Some caveats:

        Rushton did some weird things and wasnt right about everything.

        r/K strategy is probably influenced by genetics and environment.

        To emphasize again wrt this comment: ON AVERAGE!!

        Call me Archie Bunker.

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      • Jack says:

        “Asian women don’t get fat.”

        After living in Asia for many years, I can tell you a few things about this.

        When Asian women are thin, their bodies look sleek and petite. Most Asian women don’t have buxom T&A like other races (some do), but they do have flat stomachs, good proportions, and graceful lines and curves. They can be very cute, and some are stunning. But if they gain a little extra weight, that impression evaporates leaving the formless, androgenous look that is stereotypical.

        Asian women can get fat, just like any other race, but most Asian women are too conscious of their appearances to let themselves go too far. Asian women are very concerned about this, and a lot of Asian women actually starve themselves to stay thin. They usually don’t allow themselves to gain weight until they’ve reached an age when they no longer care about garnering attention and making social impressions. A lot of this is due to acculturation, so Asians who grew up outside of Asia don’t place as much emphasis on this (especially American Asians).

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      • Novaseeker says:

        When Asian women are thin, their bodies look sleek and petite. Most Asian women don’t have buxom T&A like other races (some do), but they do have flat stomachs, good proportions, and graceful lines and curves. They can be very cute, and some are stunning.

        I agree with this. Korean girls, for example, are often stunning in their physique to my eyes (given that I like slim/slender physiques). The “willowy” thing works very well for them. But, alas, the facial beauty culture of Korea with all of the plastic surgery that is now almost required of women there … it kind of destroys it for me. I guess Korean guys like the facial surgery like a lot of American guys seem to like fake breasts, but neither does much for me.

        They usually don’t allow themselves to gain weight until they’ve reached an age when they no longer care about garnering attention and making social impressions. A lot of this is due to acculturation, so Asians who grew up outside of Asia don’t place as much emphasis on this (especially American Asians).

        In Asia a woman loses “face”, the social sense, if she gets overweight, whereas in the US that same concept doesn’t apply. There used to be fat-shaming here, of course, not that long ago, but it was not as intense as the Asian social “face” regime is.

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  8. SFC Ton says:

    I’ve banged enough Orentials to change the demographic destiny of two nations and maybe a state but I don’t really care for any of them. I’m 100% certian that’s because of the photographer

    Well not that last chick….. if its a chick

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  9. SFC Ton says:

    Hot vs pretty

    I’m fair certain hot is a pretty chick who want a to get laid or is weaponizing her sexuality in that particular moment.

    Unless she’s gotten into the 1000 cock stare category, which is it’s own level on unappealing

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  10. Novaseeker says:

    I think a lot of this is cultural and some is personal.

    Regarding Asian women, among white men it tends to be that the guy either likes or doesn’t like. The guys in the “doesn’t like” category can sometimes appreciate the beauty (that’s probably where I am at) but not ever enough to pursue, while there are others in the “doesn’t like” category who just don’t see the beauty (I have a friend like this) There are two flavors of reasons: “face guys” (very common among whites) tend to strongly prefer white faces to Asian ones and “body guys” tend to dislike the generally lower percentage of Asian women who are “T&A” types (lower than whites, who are also not “high” on this scale, when compared to black and Latin women). But in general I have found that it is generally impossible for white guys who are in the “doesn’t like” category to give an objectively fair rating to the beauty of an Asian woman … the preference is that strong. The same can be said for black women, I think. Latin women … it seems to depend on whether the Latina in question is more Euro-looking (like, say, Sofia Vergara, Selena Gomez, Penelope Cruz, etc), which they tend to get rolled into the “white” category by a lot of white guys, as compared with the smaller, more Mestizo-appearing Latinas, who tend to be unpreferred by the kinds of white guys who have a strong preference for white women.

    So in a gallery like the one in this article, it’s going to be very hard to get an objective read from a bunch of white guys who are readers and commenters.

    For me, I agree with Jack on the first woman — trouble. The eyes are trouble. Same with 2 only worse. Both are beautiful women, objectively, but women who look like trouble to me.

    The rest of the gallery isn’t terribly attractive to me, personally, because I have a fairly strong preference for white girls and I am a face guy rather than a body guy. Between the two body types in the composites I prefer the slim/slender on the left (Kate Middleton physique) to the one on the right, which is more barbie-bimbo looking to me (looks like a porn girl).

    I think Info is basically right. Men can agree on general principles and what “band” a girl is in objectively (although the racial issues and body/face preferences interfere with objectivity there, too, for many guys), but when it comes to individual preferences and “rank”, there will be a lot of variation. I think I am probably unlike a lot of guys in that I draw a distinction between what I think a woman’s “objective” beauty is, on the one hand, and my own evaluation of her in light of my preferences, on the other. In that vein, of the remaining photos in the gallery (i.e., other than the first 2), I would say that the most attractive objectively, in my opinion, is the red dress.

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    • anonymous_ng says:

      Also, I think it will change based on environment. So, for example, were I to live in an Asian country, I expect that my preferences for Asian women would expand.

      I spent nearly two weeks in Santiago Chile and as you noted, found the more European looking women more attractive, but I suspect had I spent more time there, my tastes would shift to accommodate more of the non-European looks.

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    • cameron232 says:

      There is a small subset of Japanese women who have fairly gracilized features – IMO these are the prettiest. And of all “hybrids” of two races the Euro-East Asian are the prettiest IMO.

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  11. Jack says:

    As mentioned in the post, the photos in the gallery are arranged in order of most beautiful to least beautiful, so I am not surprised by most of the comments about those at the end of the list.

    Judging by the small number of stated preferences in the comments, it seems that guys like a woman who is kind of a balance in the middle — somewhat beautiful AND somewhat attractive. This seems to confirm scientific studies that report “averageness” as being attractive. However, I’m not seeing many people pick up on those qualities of appearance that would suggest either a red or green flag.

    Like I mentioned in my last comment above, most men aren’t actually evaluating the right aspects of a woman, and are instead fixated on other things. No one mentioned these other things specifically (other than race), but I am guessing those things are skin tone, glamor, and the appearance of glorification. In contrast, the women towards the end of the list have some of the right aspects which men should be looking for, and which adds to their appeal, in spite of them not being very beautiful. I suppose I should have elaborated on these aspects more in the post — or perhaps this deserves another post of it’s own. Of course, I’m no expert on reading philtrums or nasal dorsums in terms of holiness (if there is such a thing), but I think I’m on the right track.

    Anyway, it’s good to discuss, and insightful to read your comments!

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  12. redpillboomer says:

    “What do you think creates sexual appeal when beauty is substandard or lacking? Please comment?”

    It’s the 6s and 7s that have something about them that passes the boner test AND there is ALSO something in her personality that lands with me (and I’m guessing other men as well) as genuinely friendly and a bit playful. At the gym I work out at, there are a number of females on staff, a couple 8s/9s and a few 6s/7s. The 8s/9s are great to look at, as in good eye candy, but they appear to have a personality that occurs as less than friendly and not really playful. I guess that would be the proverbial bitch shield being up. The 6s and 7s genuinely seem to like the male patrons and enjoy tasteful little flirts. Their personalities easily trump the 8s and 9s and bring them up on par with the 8s and 9s because they occur as GENUINE and APPROACHABLE, not haughty bitches.

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  14. locustsplease says:

    A lot of what im looking at with these women is what kind of problems am i gonna have? Red top or ms composite right are my favorites. Red top has a classic thot look that i know is just gonna start irritating me from day one. Second from the top appears least argumentative.

    A fairer comparison would b a set of all natural blondes or brunettes of the same age and close figures.

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    • Jack says:

      “Second from the top appears least argumentative.”

      You won’t get heated arguments and $h!t tests from this one. You’re more likely to get passive aggressiveness, projection, gaslighting, and various other psychological defense mechanisms, which is probably worse.

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  15. thedeti says:

    There are 7 women in Jack’s post. I rank them according to my Cute/Pretty, Hot, Sexy scale.

    1) Cute/pretty and hot (I think this woman is drop dead gorgeous)

    2) Cute/pretty (she is the personification of cute/pretty)

    3) Hot

    4) Hot (Fantastic body)

    5) Hot (A perfect example of “hot”. One of the best “top halves” I’ve ever seen)

    6) Cute/pretty

    7) Sexy (if that)

    You can’t really tell “sexy” from photos. You need video or being in her presence.

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  16. Jimbo says:

    Many commenters are saying that female sexiness has to do with sexual experience, skill, or availability. I disagree.

    Sexiness DOES have to do with confidence and awareness of/comfort with one’s own sexual energy/appeal. And these things tend to increase with age (and therefore with experience). And it’s increasingly true these days that many young women, especially Americans, are too awkward, confused, and self-conscious to be truly sexy.

    But it seems to me that sexiness can be completely disconnected from actual sexual experience, skill, or availability. It’s more of an attitude. Being comfortable in ones own skin. Understanding one’s own sexual nature (regardless of how it’s put to use). Understanding one’s own sexual appeal. It’s bigger and more general than liking the sex act.

    As Jack mentioned, there are red flags that detract from sexiness. And these red flags happen to increase with age and sexual experience. So age and experience work in both directions–they can build confidence, but they can also harden women.

    I would argue that personality, attitude, and even culture play a bigger role in being sexy than actual sexual experience does.

    As one example, I think the average Brazilian woman, whether age 18 or age 50, tends to be much sexier than her same-aged American counterpart. Not because the Brazilian HAS so much sex (although she might), but because she’s more comfortable in her own skin and her culture doesn’t encourage women to obsess about whether or not they look fat. American women at the beach hide their bums in beach towels, either out of self-consciousness or out of fear of “the male gaze.” Brazilian women at the beach, of any age and weight, stand at the water’s edge all day in their thongs, frolicking, laughing, socializing, and dancing to the music.

    Anyway, I don’t mean to tell anyone how they have to think about this. Many sexy women really are sexually experienced, skilled, and available. I just didn’t want to leave out all the naturally sexy girls who are relatively less sexually experienced. Because they are often the best catches of all.

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