An infographic showing the factions of socio-sexual awareness according to their religious and political stances.
Author’s Note: This study was conducted by the author of Lexet Iustitia, and was first published on 2018 October 19. A revised version, cowritten by Jack, appears here.
This is the 500th post to be published on Σ Frame since moving to WordPress.
In a comment under one of the last few posts, I asked a commenter to look at the “Red Pill” in a very simple way. It is a way to look at reality for what it is, rather than live under an illusion. One of the greatest illusions we have in our modern society is the nature of intersexual relationships. To be Red Pill is to see intersexual relationships the way they are by nature (how they actually work). Red Pill is not a solution, and your philosophical worldview will determine how you handle Red Pill knowledge. Hence the differences between secularists, nihilists, and Christians on the internet.
What is Red Pill?
The following table is my attempt to map out the “Red Pill” sphere, and all of its subset communities commonly referenced. Below I will explain some of their definitions, and describe some distinctions and my reasoning behind the categorizations. I will also respond to other articles on the Sigma Frame blog.
I am not a graphic designer by any means, so I put minimal effort into this chart (with the help of MS Excel). I do not know why only a few borders disappeared while trying to make this an image. All blame lies with MS Excel and Paint for that error.
Feel free to add suggestions or make a better graphic (credit would be appreciated).
If I had to order these sub groups from largest to smallest (according to population), it would be:
- Blue Pill (includes Churchians, Feminists, and most people in society)
- Secular Red Pill (PUAs)
- Political Red Pill
- MGTOW (possibly tied for 3rd)
- Christian RP (Catholics > Protestants in number, due to appeals to tradition)
- Other Religious RP
- Black Pill
Blue Pill is by its very nature the largest subset of people.
While one can argue that the political RP should be a larger group above the Manosphere, political issues are common in the Manosphere, and more often than not, politics brings them to the RP. Also, female participation in the RP community is rare.
I could have included the “Secular Red Pill”, in the graph, but it’s really not necessary as most of the groups are secular, and the Religious Red Pill sphere is incredibly small.
The Religious RP includes Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and a smattering of other religions. Of note, there have been some Muslim authors (e.g. Kartik Gada and Imran Khan) who have contributed deep, earth-shattering insights, which apparently are taken to be common knowledge within the Muslim community.
It seems like the biggest names in the Manosphere are men who (1) are not Western by birth, or (2) are second generation descendants of immigrants to the West, or (3) have traveled abroad for years. This is no coincidence, seeing how the West is totally cucked.
Why are PUA’s also in the Blue Pill category?
I classify PUA’s as a completely separate group that can exist in all Pill groups. The goal of most PUA’s is to maximize sexual partners, using any technique possible (mostly reliance on dark triad characteristics). They are actors, and they are people who derive their value as men from their conquests (their identity is given to them, not made by themselves). Also, a person can fit the PUA model, live an RP lifestyle, and not be aware they operate in the RP worldview for that matter.
Why are PUA’s the Face of the RP World?
If you want to discredit a movement, point to its members who are either the most disgusting, clownish, or both, and associate the group with those persons or traits. This is why Trump supporters are being branded as Q-anon fans, domestic terrorists, or throwback Germans, and why the Right refers to every black protester as a communist. Nuance = reason and we can’t have that here.
The PUA community is the most vocal, and really was the online community that started discussing issues that led to “Red Pill” realizations. They are also the easiest community to cheap shot, as many of the most notable “artists” are sleazy clowns. PUA is also the most active community, since they sell “how to pick up women” to young men who want to get girls.
It appears that there is a massive return to PUA discussions across the Manosphere and even in the body building world. I was concerned to see this trend, and almost wrote about this a few months ago, but held back after watching many hours of these guys talking. The personalities on YouTube who have returned to “tactics” interact and/or coach young men on a daily basis. They are far more in tune with Zoomers than the rest of us. What they are saying is that their subscribers/fans/clients not only don’t know how to talk to girls, but often times, they can’t even hold a conversation with other people! Its a result of them being raised in a social media world. Most of the guys who read this blog grew up passing notes in class, hitting on women in high school, and doing cold approaches as a matter of course. We don’t realize that “tactics” is actually something many young actually need.
Another thing to realize about this up and coming generation is that they tend to smoke pot, not have work ethic, and game all day. They essentially have to be re-raised.
What is MGTOW?
MGTOW is Men Going Their Own Way. Personally, I define MGTOW as those men who willingly disengage in any long term relationships with females, but do not necessarily remain celibate. I would say the largest number of men who remain voluntarily celibate are in the Religious RP communities. The rest reside in the MGTOW community, and usually have a history of promiscuity.
Many in the MGTOW movement advocate for celibacy and just ignoring women entirely. If you see people advocating “NoFap” on the internet, they are pretty much MGTOW trolls. When it comes to being controversial, they receive far more hate from Leftists and women than the PUA community.
My chart is a bit unfair to this community, but that is because MGTOW is its own animal compared to the rest of the Manosphere. While the “factions” of the Red Pill sphere sometimes attack others, MGTOW has been a community divided between those who want to fight feminism and advocate for men’s rights, and those who don’t care about that. They are also anti-PUA. That battle was fought from around 2015-2017, and the men’s rights activists (MRA’s) have disappeared since then. Also, a large portion of the community is too young to be as jaded as MGTOWs are. The MGTOW community needs an age and height requirement for entry.
What are Incels and what is Black Pill?
Incels are “involuntary celibate,” a term used to describe men with disabilities/conditions that make them unattractive or unable to be in a relationship. Many commenters misuse this word as an epithet to describe MGTOW types.
Black Pill is the fringe, nihilistic end of the spectrum. MGTOW and INCEL groups have regular interaction with black pilled men. From what I have seen, the black pilled men tend to be older (30’s and older), divorced, jaded and cynical, with the goal of maximizing pleasure and their financial position, while contributing nothing else to society, or sometimes opting out of society altogether. In the political realm, these people are the self-identified stateless beings.
Why is the Catholic RP the largest subset of the Religious RP?
My answer to this is the same reason so many “conservatives” and tradcons have joined the Catholic church in the last decade. These people see a problem with the current system, yearn for tradition, and associate with the institution that screams timeless tradition. One thing you will notice with a lot of politicos and RP guys who are now Catholic is that their reasoning for conversion rarely discusses any faith in Christ. Instead, they will go on ad nauseam about western values, society, tradition… and a dead grandparent who had a rosary.
Something I find very interesting about the Catholic RP community is that they heavily favor Augustine, while Augustinian Calvinists are not only an extreme minority in the Christian RP world, but tend to be very Blue Pilled (think Warhorn, IGTBAM, Doug Wilson, et al.).
Female Red Pill?
There has always been a lot of controversy in the ‘sphere surrounding the idea that women can truly be Red Pill. This controversy continues, but we are seeing a marginal growth in the number of women who willingly embrace Red Pill tenets and/or pursuing a Headship relational structure.
Scott mentions that the RP commentators don’t give women advice. Many actually do, and encourage a traditional lifestyle. The advice would be: have 0 to few partners as possible, marry young, have babies. Women know that message, but they outright reject it, because of two overriding reasons (or justifications).
- For many outsiders who don’t know how things work, or who don’t care about marital sanctification, this message appears to be a contradiction which casts women as “underprivileged”: “Guys be promiscuous, girls don’t be.”
- Women in our society are encouraged to be selfish and self destructive. Even in the most conservative churches in rural United States, it is a controversy to teach that women should marry young and raise children. Instead, it is taught that women should get a career, use contraception, and Jesus will forgive your abounding sin because of his more abundant grace and love, and if you want a wedding ceremony, wait until after college so you can afford a marriage like what’s on your Pinterest roll.
The point is that there isn’t very much that would motivate a woman to be Red Pill.
Anecdotal Observation: For guys who are young (under 35) compared to the other authors at Sigma Frame (we’re all Gen Xers), the reality I see is a world where women conduct about 90% of the breakups. I am struggling to think of any example where one of my younger buddies broke off a relationship, ESPECIALLY when the girl wasn’t cheating. They are always the one being dumped, and its nearly always a monkey-branch situation. Women don’t suffer consequences, there is no stigma.
What about Married Red Pill?
Jack asked if these divisions correspond to the preferred relationship structures he describes in his post, Models of Courtship and Marital Structure (2018 October 3). They do. But the number of people subscribing to the Headship Structure is so small, that I haven’t bothered to list it as a category.
The reasons are clear. Outside of the religious RP, the answer to “should I marry?” is a firm “no.” As an attorney myself, I would say the dumbest thing an irreligious man can do, from a legal and fiduciary perspective, is to sign a marriage license. Christians are limited in their choices by scripture. When it comes to sexuality, we have only 3 options: (1) live a celibate life; (2) play with fire and risk spending eternity on fire; or (3) marry.
The most difficult part about being a Christian who sees the world for what it is right now, is that option #3 is incredibly dangerous in our current society. There is a massive amount of risk to marriage, especially since our family laws are not only hostile to men, but are completely antithetical to what scripture teaches about divorce and marriage. Pagan Rome had better marriage and divorce laws than the United States/Commonwealth nations/western Europe do now.
Responsibility without authority is slavery. That is how our present system treats men. Feminists want to pretend that this is better than what was law before, which they will say gave men authority without responsibility (tyranny). Of course, anyone who knows the law and the history of it will know that the feminists are liars. (Please cite me on this groundbreaking revelation.)
How I (Lexet) view the RP
This is what I wrote several years ago when my RP articles were on my own site.
What do I mean by “red pill”? I think it means that I choose to see the world for what it is, being aware of people, their motives, and not being naive. For me, as a Christian, being Red Pill means realizing we have a sin nature, and live in a fallen world. We have spiritual desires that cant be met on this side of life. We idealize and hunger for something we cannot possess. But we understand that the ideal is unattainable, and it can be a fatal error to live as if the ideal could be achieved.
Of course, many in the Red Pill community solely apply the term to their perspective on sexual relationships and gender differences. I find this interesting, because the RP community believes what the Bible affirms as our sin nature when it comes to sexuality.
As a Christian, however, there is always tension with the rest of the red pill community, as we are called to be obedient to Christ, obey God’s laws, and live a different lifestyle than the rest of the world. In effect, how a Christian responds to Red Pill awareness is different from the response of a red pilled nonbeliever.
I am Red Pill because that viewpoint accurately describes human relationships in a fallen world. It is the only world view that prepares you to handle the world, as you are able to see the world for what it is. I believe it also confirms scriptural truths. The red pill confirmed many lessons I had made in my past, and made sense of other happenings in my life. Everything I learned from the RP community allowed me to connect many dots in my previous relationships, and made me realize I had made similar mistakes in the past, and that many different types of women were, in fact, the same. (AWALT!).
Should We Use the Red Pill Label?
There is room in the Red Pill world for many different worldviews and applications of RP knowledge, even if the ‘advice’ contradicts that from another community. Scott, in his recent criticism of the Red Pill label, is absolutely right when he says,
“The ‘Red Pill’ is a great way to discern some really important truths about how men and women work. But what’s not as clear is what to do with that information.”
Yes, the Red Pill is primarily a body of knowledge, but it is knowledge that can shift our locus of perception. How that shift affects us depends uniquely on each man. As such, there aren’t any “Red Pill” solutions, and the idea of a “Red Pill” world is an impossibility. Even if there was some form of patriarchy, human nature would still exist. In fact, a patriarchal system would have to implement restraints on human nature to an extent. In such a system, while the “RP” knowledge wont change, application of that knowledge will.
Furthermore, going back in time would make it nearly impossible to be promiscuous. Our current culture is driven by birth control and disease prevention that no other society had access to. To be a “chad” at any other point in time was to risk impregnating many people, or risk contracting something that would lead to sterility (many notable men in history did not have children because diseases made them sterile). Contrast the ideal patriarchal/traditional society with our current society, which has few limitations when it comes to sexual dynamics (other than filling out consent forms and having said consent witnessed and recorded, etc., even though said consent can be revoked retroactively).
Scott criticizes the advice most RP commentators give. I agree with his criticisms as a matter of moral judgment, but I disagree with the idea that “Red Pill” advice exists. There is advice which relies on Red Pill knowledge, and that advice may vary depending on your worldview and morality. The commentators are telling people how to navigate the current system. They are not in a position to change the system in any way. The current system entertains and supports the whims of women.
Scott says he doesn’t want to live in a world created by people following RP commentator’s advice, but I would say we are already living in that world. In fact, we have been for some time. We just discuss it more because of the internet. Until some dramatic societal change, we will continue to live in such a world.
Lets say starting tomorrow, every RP commentator starts giving Christian advice, and their audiences follow it. If every guy playing the field suddenly settled down and married, within a few years we would have a massive influx in divorces. Why? The incentives of our current legal structure are not amenable to this advice.
Per Scott’s final point on dropping the Red Pill label, I don’t see why its entirely necessary. Most commentators are not claiming that their way is the only way, or that there is a “Red Pill” way. Dropping the label altogether also presents many problems when it comes to branding and building a community. We use definitions and labels as a way to set ourselves apart from others (cough cough, see chart above). I think it is ok to distinguish ourselves from the rest of the Red Pill community while allying ourselves to it. Think of the “Christian Red Pill/CRP” label, for instance.
As for Christian men who are single, I think the best community for them would be Christian MGTOW. The Christian lifestyle requires celibacy before marriage anyways. That label is not fitting for married men. Perhaps “Christian Realist” may be a better term if you want to drop “red pill” from the label entirely.
In summary, we are not totally in a nihilistic wasteland that operates under the Law of the Jungle, but on the other hand, we don’t have any functional social structure that consistently produces solid marriages either. There is a fractionization, an atomization that is occurring in our day and age. At the present moment, we’re hanging in limbo, but the overall trend seems to be headed slowly towards a nihilistic wasteland.
If you have any further questions, ask them below.
- Captain Capitalism: The Red Pill Penetration Rate (2019 January 14)
- Σ Frame (Scott): What would the world be like if everyone was Red Pilled? (2021 March 13)