Archetypal Therapy and Innate Personality Traits

Managing negative personality traits by taking a mythical approach to the ego.

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Reader’s Note: Mythos is defined in literature and psychology as a traditional or recurrent narrative theme or plot structure, and is not to be confused with the connotation of a myth as being a set of superstitious beliefs or assumptions about something.
Length: 1,100 words
Reading Time: 4 minutes

Introduction

Archetypal Psychology focuses on the soul, (AKA the psyche, in psychological terminology), and “the fundamental fantasies that animate all life“. The intersection of the soul and mythical fantasies are considered to be the locus of the deepest patterns of psychic functioning. Archetypal Psychology attempts to recognize the myriad of fantasies and myths that have shaped and continue to shape our psychological lives. Within this framework, the ego is relativized and deliteralized, and treated as one psychological fantasy within an assemblage of fantasies.

In some cultures, these myths are comprised of gods, goddesses, demigods, heroic mortals, and even animals. In other cultures, these myths take on the form of cultural and family traditions, social philosophies, family stories, fables, or fairy tales. Even Christianity presents the archetype of Christ, and how we should to aspire to be like Him. In all cases, there is a mythical archetype that is passed down from one generation to the next. On this subject of generational transmission, the most noteworthy psychologist in Archetypal Psychology stated that,

“The power of myth, its reality, resides precisely in its power to seize and influence psychic life. The Greeks knew this so well, and so they had no depth psychology and psychopathology such as we have. They had myths. And we have no myths – instead, depth psychology and psychopathology. Therefore… psychology shows myths in modern dress and myths show our depth psychology in ancient dress.”

Hillman, J. (1990) Oedipus Variations: Studies in Literature and Psychoanalysis. Spring p.90.

This statement is pretty deep and rather poetic (which makes an appeal to mythos on its own), but Hillman is right in saying that the modern generations have dispensed with the mythical truths that shape and guide our lives with a sense of meaning and purpose, and have replaced them with new myths. Put simply, our ancestors failed to impress their own mythos onto our souls, or worse, they made them seem cringeworthy to us. Sometimes this is a good thing, such as dispensing with Chivalry, but other times, good myths are lost (like marital Headship), while the new myth that arises is much worse. The Feminist Life Script is a good example of a new, bad myth which has arisen over the past few decades.

In this post, I want to shy away from cultural-wide myths, such as Feminism, Chivalry, and so on, and take this conversation to the individual, personal level, which may be of help to the reader. In particular, I want to discuss how Archetypal therapy can help us deal with the negative personality traits (and everyone has some) which do not serve us well in life.

Our Inner Daimones

According to Hillman’s concept of Archetypal Psychology, the psyche (or soul) has many directions and sources of meaning – and this can feel like an ongoing state of conflict — a struggle with one’s daimones, or more colloquially, our inner demons.

Here, I’d like to demystify the psycho mumbo jumbo by relating this to my own experiences in life.

Archetypal Therapy and Innate Personality Traits (2019 June 7)

I really have a lazy “quitter” streak, and people who know me well are surprised to see me building a house and blogging.

It’s an internal battle, and I think this is something that everyone struggles with. Maybe not with laziness, as in my case, but in some form or fashion, we all fail to live up to doing what we know we should do.

Here, I want to express my gratitude to my parents, because they taught me how to deal with this part of myself.

Both of my parents were very accomplished in their own right.

Whenever they would witness me starting to choke, they would both express their extreme intolerance of that.

My mom liked to use shame tactics. She would call me a quitter. Her methods were not very effective on me, but that was just her way of dealing with that.

My dad, a true Serbian, just sort of gave me a look of confusion and disgust.

The confusion said, “I don’t know why you’re doing this.”

The disgust said, “You’re not living up to my expectations of you as my son – a Klajic.”

My dad didn’t need to say anything. That look said it all. But at times when I was being particularly hard headed, he would give me a talk something like this.

“Yeah, I guess the Boy Scouts is really hard! Your situation kinda reminds me of when I was a prisoner of war. I remember when I sustained some permanent frostbite damage from when I had to work in the snow in the labor camp with no gloves. Then I escaped to Belgium, and then to France, and eventually made my way to the United States. I started a business and put my boys through graduate school. I often thought about quitting. Yeah, so I can understand how the Boy Scouts can be so hard.”

It was common for my Dad gave me a story about my ancestors, and what they were like, and how they dealt with various challenges in life. This put forth an age-old mythos that I was a part of, and more than that, it was up to me to continue on writing that story. Someone might say that my father was shaming me in his own way, except that it was not a false sense of shame that motivated me, but rather a sense of pride in being a part of his story.

The Bach fortress, the oldest fortress Serbia, located in Vojvodina.

My parents were not the only ones giving me Archetypal therapy while I was growing up. All the men in my family were tough as nails, they never EVER quit, and they always accomplished what they set out to do. Or if they didn’t, then they died trying. They built up the mythos in my mind of the Klajics being winners against all odds, and how I was supposed to fit into that mold.

This is an excellent example of Archetypal therapy. The reason I don’t lay around and do nothing, even though I am innately lazy, is because I can still remember my Dad’s face. I still remember his stories.

The Takeaway

I know there are many people out there who are working hard in life, working two jobs to pay the bills, and so on. I’m guessing that they had a father figure who taught them this work ethic. If you are a person like this, maybe you could tell us about the mythos that drives you on.

But not everyone has a tradition of mythos in their family. Let’s suppose you now find yourself as a dad or a husband, and you didn’t have that influence from your father; you didn’t have that internal backstop to push you forward in life when you’re feeling apathetic or hopeless. If you didn’t have that kind of model while you were growing up, but you’re still doing everything you need to do, then where do you go to get your drive?  What is your inspiration?

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26 Responses to Archetypal Therapy and Innate Personality Traits

  1. cameron232 says:

    I descend from Catholic, German Colonus (farmers from Northwest Germany with hereditary rights) who had huge families. Catholics breed like rabbits. Occasionally, the undivided farm would be passed through the wife’s side – the husband would take the wife’s family/farm name – our last name actually changed in the late 1600s.

    They moved to the American midwest and started a business cleaning “vaults” (primitive sewers in the city). Then they became doctors, dentists and lawyers.

    Instead of continuing in this, dad quit college after 2 years, got married and had me. He worked low skill blue collar jobs his whole life. I was not able to continue the earlier UMC achievements of my ancestors in this country – I don’t know if it’s bad genetics or how I was raised. All I managed was a corporate cubical rat job – no doubt I feel like a lazy person and I wonder if they’d be ashamed of me – my long dead ancestors. At least I gave them descendants – they suffered so much so we could be here – it seems like a slap in the face to them to not give them descendants – to extinguish their lineage. When you bother to show up – at least there’s a chance. I guess that’s my family mythos – show up.

    Dad did teach me to love your wife and children, to make them priority over your personal goals and I think he’s the reason I wanted a big family.

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    • Oscar says:

      @ Cameron

      Catholics breed like rabbits.

      They used to. Not so much anymore. 2.3 kids per woman, according to Pew Research. Good to see you’re following the old tradition. My dad’s family is also German (Baravian) Catholic. He was 1 of 11 kids.

      When you bother to show up – at least there’s a chance. I guess that’s my family mythos – show up.

      My NCOs when I was a Private used to say that most of success is showing up on time in the right uniform. I think there’s a lot of truth to that. Besides, the future belongs to those who show up.

      Dad did teach me to love your wife and children, to make them priority over your personal goals and I think he’s the reason I wanted a big family.

      Brother, if that’s true, then you’re far ahead of the game, biblically speaking.

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      • Liz says:

        My mom is Italian. Her dad was one of nine, and her mom was one of 13.
        Now the Italians have basically stopped reproducing altogether. Think I have fifty cousins and as far as I know only a couple of them have even one child.

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  2. professorGBFMtm2021 says:

    Tonights the night!Everybody out on the street,knows I’m back on my feet(After physical rehab!)!I got something to say!EVERYBODY!!!SCREAM!!!ROCKON!THRU THE MYTHS!Thats why were in the manosphere!
    MANOSPHERE!The demons of the internet,going cross-country with fire&thunder! EGO?Thats a living planet in disneys marvel u.! ”I was reading in the babylonbee newspaper today,about me &the manosphere!A organization known as the southern law poverty center(SLPC) ””THEY”said, they think we are ”male suprimists”&extremists!But I told them ”were just misunderstood ”CHOIRBOYS” that keep it relz unlike the republican-democrat oligarchy or the fantasy-heavy churchians”!
    APETHETIC OR HOPELESS?Try the ’86 film.. NO RETREAT,NO SURRENDER(With van demme’s ”acting” debut!But its realy the song by kevin chafalant ”hold onto the vision”)
    Once it was obvious to myself that humans were mostly fools, I knew you have to be a loner like john the baptizer/forerunner(I know eastern christianity!)
    as ”the voice of one in the wilderness”
    I,unlike motorhead’s now-deceased lemmy, have never been a ”ligger”,how could I be, never even going to a concert before or anytime( mostly a 24/7 Loner, remember!) soon?
    SCOTTP.S.I have to say I’m referencing a ICON song from ’84, kiss’ ”hotter than hell” tv commercial & W.A.S.P.’s harder,faster song further up?

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  3. Novaseeker says:

    Let’s suppose you now find yourself as a dad or a husband, and you didn’t have that influence from your father; you didn’t have that internal backstop to push you forward in life when you’re feeling apathetic or hopeless. If you didn’t have that kind of model while you were growing up, but you’re still doing everything you need to do, then where do you go to get your drive? What is your inspiration?

    My parents pushed me in terms of education, but it was the standard immigrant script. My father’s side was very lower middle going back generations in the UK — good folks, not very ambitious, no great mystique in the family, mostly people pursuing what they wished to do in ways that made sense to that generation (more constrained than ours was, but one of my dad’s three brothers never married and was a ladies man type even in that generation …). They were English Catholic converts (my grandparents on that side converted to Catholicism, which was not uncommon in that era in England, given how high church mainstream Anglicanism had become) and while my dad had 4 siblings, all of his own generation (folks born in 1910-1920) had small families (0, 1, 2, 2, and then one outlier with 4) … they were not educated, upper middle, but lower middle, not laborers but low education clerical type workers. Mother’s side had no real myths, either, and despite the Irish Catholic reputation for large families, another small family (3 siblings, and less than that in terms of the children had by her or her siblings). Again, immigrant myths prevailed — “get ahead” being the prime directive, as is the case with almost all immigrants, being a self-selected group to begin with.

    As I moved on from that upbringing, I have found other sources of motivation beyond that one, since that was obviously inadequate and also something that I, not being an immigrant, could not really relate to very well once I was more or less completely removed from that experience as an adult. Motivations have varied — certainly religion is a primary source of them for me, but also learning, and a love for learning, has been as well. I am generally never lacking in motivation — or only rarely — for pursuits that I find important, compelling, or interesting, and I don’t generally get bored or feel directionless or hopeless. As for the other necessaries of life which are less inherently inspiring, I do them so as to get the desired results and/or avoid the undesired consequences.

    I do realize that I am odd in this respect, but that’s fine — I suppose we all have our own quirks.

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    • professorGBFMtm2021 says:

      0.SMALL EXTENDED FAMILIES?I have about 50-70 2nd&3rd cousins, I have never met,as I’am a traditional loner-type!
      1.BORED?
      2.ODD?
      3.QUIRKS?
      Only the last two of these above zero ones, applies to me,not the first bored one ,how could a guy, with this much knowledge be bored!?
      P.B.S.All the kids having a active-mind&love for learning,you too could become a nova on PBS or even a professor.t on PBS PASSPORT(I keep a passport handy at all times!)!
      P.S.This comment too odd or quirky?
      NOVAP.S.You know I barely skim over stuff right?&just ponder whats interesting to myself?Hence those mostly 3 above number zero, words in your comment!See why I love the song ”CHANGE OF HEART” by brighton rock now,nova?”TELL ME WHY?,TELLME WHY?You do what you do”?Because I have too mostly is my anwser as usual!!!Anybody else up for this strange work that goes in every direction across the generations&countries?

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  4. SFC Ton says:

    Tribes, nations and people die when they walk away from their foundational myths

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  5. Jack says:

    Being an American, I have a culturally diverse ancestry. I estimate my ethnic makeup to be about 80% German, 15% Irish, and 5% a lot of other things. Like NovaSeeker, I also had the “Immigrant mythos” of working hard and succeeding at whatever you do in life. I come from a long line of educators, so my family is rather intellectual and objective. My paternal grandmother came from German nobility and so she went heavy on dignity, manners, and class. My maternal grandfather’s ancestry had several military careerists, so there’s a mythos of cold discipline. My maternal grandmother’s ancestry was dirt poor, so there’s a theme of indomitable hard core toughness. I have inherited several “stories” from my ancestors which are too numerous and too long to include in this comment.

    Overall, my personal mythos that I’ve gained from all this is to work hard, and also just as importantly, to enjoy my work. I don’t find it difficult to find interesting things to work on. I enjoy my job, and I won’t stay at a job that is not fulfilling or is full of wacko coworkers.

    “Archetypal therapy can help us deal with the negative personality traits (and everyone has some) which do not serve us well in life.”

    I think this is the value of Archetypal therapy in the form of passing down family stories. The particular ethic of the mythos has to inspire and support you (or your child) in the area that you are weak, so as to counterbalance that weakness. For example, Scott said his father’s determination displaced his natural laziness. As a counter-example, my family has many divorces, but I’m not sure how much it would help my children to make divorce a part of the family mythos. Since this topic came up, I’ve been struggling to think of a family mythos that might counterbalance this.

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  6. Liz says:

    I like the take of this writeup (family foundational myths, and so forth).
    I hadn’t thought of it that way, but it makes sense.
    Growing up I didn’t have much perspective on family history, and so forth.
    I looked at it more as a series of habits. Habits kind of become self fulfilling patterns…what you do, you become. So when I’d watch my family and my mother was perpetually angry and unhappy I found that became the habit pattern. She would complain and this would not lead to conflict resolution but more conflict and unhappiness. Instead of a home that was nice to come to, it was a place I liked to stay away from.
    In my life I’ve kind of endeavored to do the opposite. I’m not perfect, but I try to form a habit pattern of making sure I’m pleasant and the home is a happy place to be. That…makes my sons look forward to being home and/or visiting. It makes my spouse have positive associations with me, and in turn I have positive associations with him and we are happy with each other. Insert other positive habit patterns here. Habits form cultures too. And people can break bad habit patterns, or good ones depending. Think it’s good to at least be aware of such things.

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    • Sharkly says:

      Most people end up being like their parents in relative behavior towards society. People who had good parents, and didn’t rebel against them, end up being 95% the same as them. people who had parents they were at odds with are usually only 80% like them, and on the things where they are intentionally doing differently, about 20%, they are usually almost a pendulum swing in the opposite direction, but in most subtle ways they grew up thinking their upbringing was how things just are, and they naturally repeat the patterns they grew accustomed to. Even the most radical of rebels, is still probably surprisingly 70% like their parents later on in life when they’ve settled down into their ruts. Or something like that. And the ones that really despise their parents can get irked when you point out how much like them they still are. LOL All that effort to be different, and they’re still mostly like them in so many characteristics.

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      • Liz says:

        Doesn’t surprise me.
        Habit patterns are set early in life.
        But I think I can believe my husband of almost 30 years when he says I’m nothing like my mother. Seems to me he would know.
        Probably my father’s influence.

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      • Liz says:

        One of the interesting things about growing old together is you get to look back at the parents.
        We’re now quite a bit older than our parents (other than my dad, he was 50 when I was born) were when we met and seem to be in no danger of turning into them. Neither side had a good relationship, but I can point to some bad habit patterns that, had they just changed a little bit, would have improved things a lot.

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  7. professorGBFMtm2021 says:

    The professor is theMGTOW- villian!!UNLEASH THE ”1ST IRON-FIST RULE OF THE PROFESSOR”!PROFESSOR’S LAW OF LIFE!?!WE ROCK!!WE ROCK!!YOUNG,WILD&FREE!!!RED ALERT!BE ON YOUR GUARD!!!TOO LATE TO CHANGE ALL YOUR MYTHOS!!!STANDING ALONE!ALL ALONE!A ANGER BURNS INSIDE OF YOU!HEROES STANDING TALL!THE DRIVING FORCE (OF NON-INNATE) YOUTH!SENDING OUT THE TRUTH!!THE MESSAGE MUST GET THROUGH!THE 10TH&FINALCOMMENT WILL EXPLAIN ”ARCANE” MYSTERIES TO ALL CHILDREN OVER AGE 2!, WITHOUT ARCHTYPICAL THERAPY PARENTS & INNATE DRIVE TRAITS!EVERYBODY THOUGHT MY THOUGHT-EXPERIMENT WAS OVER?NO!!! {LIGHTNING STRIKES!!ORGANPIANOPLAYS!}!”CALL OF THE WILD!YES I LIVE FOR THE NIGHT-TIME(&day-time nurses!)!STALKING ALL MY PREY!LADIES BEWARE!I MAY STRIKE AT ANYTIME!”AGAPE” IS THE MEANS TO MY MADNESS!I PROMISE NOT TO HURT ANYONE WITH FULLY LOADED TRUTH!!!The professor is back!I had the teachers that all the gamers&churchians worship, roissy,roosh,rollo &on the 2 card-monty courtly-love opposite side of thesamecoin(2 sides of the same coin in reality!!!)!DRISCOLL,WILSON&BAYLY.WE ALL STARTED TALKING ABOUT WHAT IF NO TEACHERS OF THE LAW&META-REALITY?&I THE ”PEACE-MAKER” SAID THIS,Somehow I figured out this hard to understand truth(Without my ancestors or fonzi to help open my eyes!) from a carpenter who said this mysterious reality&truth!!!:”IF THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO MOSES&THE PROPHETS NEITHER WILL THEY LISTEN TO ONE RISEN FROM THE DEAD”!!They did’nt agree with me!?So I reminded them that I was a ”’lone-wolf voice in the mythos reality”!!Anybody want to discuss any evo-psych ”GAME THEORY” stuff(Any traditions of men that can make me understand these hidden to all things!?Instead of commandments of ”THE EXALTED WORDSOFMOSES&JESUS”?) now.I’ll of course understand it,even though there is zero evidence of it,all around such as orgy soceity&preachers commiting adultery left&right sides of the same coin as I help hos to the grocery store of ”mystical reality”!!!?P.S.”Think on these things” today on sunday!

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  8. Speaking of myths:

    Jordan Peterson looks to be close to becoming a Christian.

    Pretty cool podcast with Jonathan Pageau who’s an Orthodox Christian.

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    • Jack says:

      Carl Jung and Jordan Peterson talk a lot about meaning, while Rollo discards the idea of meaning. After contemplating this post, I realized that people who search for meaning are actually searching for their own mythos. The reason so many young people are searching for meaning is because they have no mythos to inspire them. Like Scott said, the old mythos has been lost and forgotten.

      Coincidentally, The Orthosphere has a post discussing the Archetypal psyche.
      https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2021/03/21/meaning-or-nothing/

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  9. thedeti says:

    I want to talk about what happens when you experience a paradigm shift in your life mythos.

    I am two generations removed from white trash on both sides. My father’s family is from the Mid-South region; Mom’s originates from Deep South/Mississippi Delta. My maternal grandmother’s parents were poor sharecroppers. My paternal great grandparents were subsistence farmers and low skilled manual laborers. The mythos were guilt, hard work, and matriarchy. The latter was precipitated by routine male early death or family abandonment. The women run everything. The family’s women get what they want, when they want, all the time, every time. Men must pedestalize and supplicate.

    –guilt: everything you do is a reflection on your parents

    –hard work: if you work hard you will succeed and you’ll do better than the generation before you; college is a must; people who are stupid are “lesser” than you and “less moral” than you

    –hard work: better to be fat and ugly than stupid and poor

    –matriarchy: solidly Blue Pill approach to women, dating, relationships, and sex

    I’ve experienced two paradigm shift in these mythos.

    The first happened about 13 years ago with a series of professional occurrences and exchanges that completely disabused me of many ingrained notions of hard work, good faith, and fair treatment. I realized that everything you do reflects only on you. I also realized that hard work doesn’t always translate into success, that college is not required; and that hard work doesn’t necessarily have a moral component.

    The second was the marital problems I’ve written about here and that started 10 years ago.

    Here’s what happened

    –Extreme disillusionment, disappointment, and self loathing. I was wrong. Or I had failed to incorporate current ground conditions into my relationship to the world and my personal and professional relationships.

    –A realization that I couldn’t unsee what I had seen, I couldn’t unlearn what I had learned and known. This is the ugly truth. My lofty notions of higher ideals were completely destroyed.

    –Hard work to integrate current ground conditions into life.

    Paradigm mythos shifts are earth shattering. Everything I thought I knew was swept away. All that remains is the “new” mythos. The end of the world as I knew it, and I was “transplanted” into a new world. Shell shock. Culture shock. Getting ahead of the learning curve. Very, very hard work unlearning old responses and approaches, and learning new ones.

    This isn’t thinking outside the box. The box is gone. I saw the shift smash the box into a million pieces. What I have now doesn’t look at all like a box.

    I’m still recovering from this. I’ve spent a long time lamenting that I don’t have the box anymore. I spent a long time trying to figure out what had happened. It didn’t dawn on me until a few years in that everything was different. I couldn’t make a new box. Even if I did, a box would be completely unsuitable. I could not, and cannot, fit the new mythos into a container at all.

    That’s what a mythos paradigm shift looks like.

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    • thedeti says:

      When you look at this you can see that the old mythos I had created one large covert contract: Work hard within the rules we set, and you’ll get what you want/need. Do XYZ, and it will go well with you with women, people, and life.

      That contract used to work, when both sides kept their bargains. Society long ago stopped honoring its end of the bargain while still demanding that I honor mine. I was told to work harder and harder and accept less and less.

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    • Scott says:

      This is the kind of stuff I work on with my coaching clients. And we do it together. I learn as much from them as they do from me.

      Take care brother

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  10. Elspeth says:

    I intimated SAM’s ethos here, which in his case was driven largely by his desire to do some things differently from his own father as a husband and father. He has done beautifully at bucking that. I think he found a great balance of the unapologetic male strength he was taught to display along with knowing how to love his woman. I started with him because his mythos is affecting how we raise our kids.

    As for me, I had a good father, and a home that was orderly externally, but emotionally chaotic, mostly due to out of control events. We were taught to work hard and be respectful.

    My dad drove home that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That wars are won by preparations made during peace time. Yeah. He actually said those things on a regular basis. Me, and one of my brothers, seem to be the only two of 8 who internalized those truisms.

    Together, we’ve done okay.

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  11. Elspeth says:

    Doesn’t surprise me.
    Habit patterns are set early in life.
    But I think I can believe my husband of almost 30 years when he says I’m nothing like my mother. Seems to me he would know.
    Probably my father’s influence.

    I’m with you on that Liz. While Sharkly is right (in general), it truly is possible for someone to buck the most negative trends of their family’s history. This is especially true if there is an equally powerful positive legacy to latch on to.

    My family of origin is littered with divorces (including all of my sisters). Yet. Somehow I found myself in a really great marriage. My stepmom, who was a good wife in many ways, was never enamored with my decision to be fully dependent on my husband, or to have more than 3 kids. This was never something she hid from us as a philosophy of life for women. I went the opposite way. She was submissive to my dad, but I went a step further by cutting myself off from any immediate ability to survive should he turned out not to be “worthy” of such blind faith.

    My husband is from a long line of philanderers, and he could have well been on his way down that road. He stopped and pivoted on a dime: “That is not who I am going to be.” And that was that. Did he pick up some of the other more negative male character traits he has learned? Yes, but with each bit of spiritual growth he experienced, the more of it he shed. When he sees something in himself that needs to be addressed, he addresses it without dawdling. More than I can say for myself.

    So…while it’s true that the apple doesn’t often fall far from the tree, when the apple sees where it’s about to land, it can decide to alter its trajectory.

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    • professorGBFMtm2021 says:

      ELSPETH
      This is what I’m mostly saying to all, don’t mislead anybody about the dangers of marriage (mainly for men!)or dating(Also mainly for men!)!Jason was for example told by eben pagan/David deangelo(Who asked just 2k for this.) just be ”cocky&funny”,but david left out you have to be at least mildly attractive in looks&personality also,same thing with churchians,just love the lord &she/he will come at the right time!Any of this, is even barely true,as far as any here has seen?In truth,little of what any of us do,truely matters in this life, is the better advice right?But that is’nt a popular saying even in the manosphere at large,now or ever!

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      • Elspeth says:

        Yes, prof. You are right. The reason we are to do what’s right before God is to please Him. Rewards in this life may or may not come.

        And this is a scary thought, but I’m gonna be real. I ask in prayer for a right attitude, a more penitent spirit. It is not an easy thing to truly walk in repentance when it seems as if straying rewarded you in this life.

        God is not man, and is not swayed by our rationalizations for cheating the system.

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