The Red Pill is fraught with “solutions” that are frankly unrealistic on a larger scale.
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I want to get in on this discussion of the Christian Conundrum, and I found this video from a year ago that sums up my perspective on the Red Pill. A couple months after I made this video, Jack made a distinction between the secular and Christian versions of the Red Pill, but my views are still the same towards the secular applications.
The “Red Pill” is a great way to discern some really important truths about how men and women work. But what’s not as clear is what to do with that information.
I have tried to infuse the two–clinical psychology and various Red Pill topics at hand–and I can’t quite get my finger on a truly original way in which they interact.
Just Tell the Truth (2020 April 11) Length: 14:15
I have my own psychology practice with a handful of coaching clients. Most of my clientele is through emails, and all of them are Christians. I am not a powerhouse internet guy. I don’t have a big footprint on YouTube. My blog is just a blip in virtual space. But I am well aware of what is happening in the world.
People these days are really hungry for truth – not everyone of course, but those who are open to the truth are desperately “raging” for it. My readers/clients are really interested in hearing what I think about the impact that certain red pill aspects may have on the individual and whether they are particularly healthy ways of living life.
For example, there’s certain lessons that people miss out on as a result of playing the field, and I would speculate that it may impair people’s abilities to form healthy relationships later in life. They want to know what I think in that aspect and how that could impact an individual. There’s just not a lot of information out there on these kinds of topics, and there’s a complete dearth of information from a Christian standpoint.
I came into the Red Pill in late 2011, and by that time, it had already gotten off the ground and had been up and running for a while. But for someone who comes into the discussion late, the meaning of the term “Red Pill” basically boils down to the raw truth.
I always liked Dalrock because he had a Christian world view and he addressed topics that were of interest to Christians. It was always one of my favorite blogs. The postings there were always relevant to my interests and what I’m trying to do in life.
Since the death of the Dalrock site, there’s been a vacuum of Christians writing about Christian topics and putting out content from a Christian world view, which is what I’m trying to do by writing and making videos. Sigma Frame is a place I can tell my version of the truth without getting a lot of kickback in my profession. I’ve been searching for the same type of content elsewhere. I’ve found a few sites on YouTube, but there’s not much out there that can compare to Dalrock.
There have been a number of things going on surrounding the Red Pill that have bothered me and have prevented me from embracing this term.
I think that there is a core nucleus of folks who use the term Red Pill, and who seem to believe they should own the “rights” to it. They make their living from this, and when others use the term Red Pill, they get really uptight and anxious about that. From the content, I can see there’s a lot of argumentation about who came up with what concepts, and trying to assign ownership of the ideas and terms. The first users of the Red Pill jargon, at this point, are wishing that they would have copyrighted several RP terms.
But personally, I don’t really care about that. I don’t make any money off of the phrase, Red Pill, or any branding. Most of my work is in psychology and counseling, and that is relatively free from anything Red Pill.
Here’s what bothers me about all of this.
Red Pill coaches always say, “We don’t tell you how to live your life…”, but that’s not really true once you get into the weeds of it. Among the true originators of RP ideology, and most of its proponents, they are mostly an areligious, amoral, crowd. I am uncomfortable with how they pretty much all have the same take on “the truth”.
I have always been a deeply religious Christian for all my life, even though I have strayed very far away from the Christian lifestyle, even though I was wandering in the wilderness for about a decade, I have never lost the faith. I was never not a Christian during any of that timeframe. Furthermore, much of what I do in my work in psychology deals with morals and ethics. So I get pretty upset when they tell you that you should be banging lots of chicks, and you should not be getting married anytime soon.
I always ask myself the question, “What if everybody did this?” I mean, everybody in the whole world.
This approach works, even if you’re not religious, even if you’re not particularly interested in ethics and morality. It works because the question that will always be at the foundation of social values is “What kind of impact will this have on society if it is deployed on a large scale?”
Of course, this presupposes that you have pro-social values, that you are interested in maintaining some kind of rational, stable society. You don’t have to be an ethicist to consider this question.
The typical life trajectory touted by RP coaches has a timeframe that goes like this.
You should be playing the field, working on yourself, making a lot of money, and focusing on “your Mission”, whatever that might be.
Then later in life, around your mid-30s to early 40s, you should be considering whether you want to marry or stay single for the rest of your life.
At that time, if you want to marry, then you should be looking for a virginal, early 20s girl to get married with.
The RP advice is not given to women. It doesn’t concern the situations and needs of women. It doesn’t concern the wider impact on society. It doesn’t consider Christian values or anything. It only tries to fill in a vacuum of information concerning men’s life situations.
But it doesn’t even tell men the whole story. If you spend all of your 20s chasing after your YOUR dreams, your mission, making money… then you’ll lose out on some significant value lessons, and a lot of other good things in life. It might be fulfilling for some guys on a personal level, but it just doesn’t work on a societal level.
The world that would be created by doing exactly what those guys are telling you to do, is a world that I don’t think anyone would want to live in. All those guys are talking about how tough they are, how they don’t need anybody, enjoying the decline, and all that crap. It’s all bravado.
What they are talking about is an apocalyptic end to our civilization where it’s every man for himself and only a few alpha males who are banging 500 girls a year. I don’t think most of those guys could survive in that kind of environment.
If everyone did what those guys are telling men to do, then that is not the kind of world that I would want to live in.
If everyone did all the things that RP gurus are pressing on, then the only types of guys that would be available for my daughters to marry would be the type of guys who spent the last 20 years plowing the fields of women before they decided they were “ready” to settle down with a girl.
I have to say, that is not going to happen. That is just creepy. I don’t want my daughters to marry a guy like that.
I am interested in maintaining the civilization and all that is necessary to maintain society — all the apparatus that we need to have an easy comfortable life for a very long time, all the infrastructure, roads, power systems, the electricity and communications services…
I want a son-in-law who is like minded.
I want my daughters to marry a man who is capable of sticking around and has the guts and willpower to go through pregnancies, illnesses, menopause, mood swings, family disasters…
That kind of discipline will come from his own parents and their parenting of him, and his particular “gene stock”. I may be flamed for saying this, but that’s my stance.
As a father, I am looking for certain aesthetics, I am concerned about the PR and optics.
That’s what I’m looking for in a mate for my daughters.
I have resolved to raise my daughters to respect these types of traits in men — risk taking, character, accountability, courage, and family values – and regard these traits as being attractive.
I realize that this is somewhat at odds with the types of traits that women are fundamentally wired to be viscerally attracted to — hot, sexy, tall, deep voice, and all that. But they are also going to be looking for other character traits. The man in question is going to be marriage minded, and he is NOT going to be a 35-40 year-old ex-PUA. That is just not going to happen.
I realize that there is nothing I can do about that, but I will continue trying to push that over the hill until my dying day. I hope that my children can watch these videos and read the things I’ve written about over the past decade, and understand that and take these lessons to heart. Hopefully, they can carry this on to the next generation.
Anyway, my point here is that this is the reason why I don’t use the term Red Pill anymore. I can agree to telling truths about how the world works, and we probably agree on most of that, but the usual interpretation that RP proponents give about what you should do with those truths, is not a direction that I can go.
- Σ Frame (Scott): Scott’s conclusions on courtship and marriage incubation (2019 February 24)
- Σ Frame (Jack): Teaching our daughters well is the early foundation of successful wife moulding (2020 February 14)
- Σ Frame (Scott): It’s the worst system in the world, except for all the others (2020 May 13)