No community, no organization, no faith for the future… –> No go.
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“From my secular perspective, it looks like a failure of game theory in the absence of social control. Men and women fall into a defect-defect pattern (as noted by Jim) and those few who still cooperate, lose. Especially when there’s a sex imbalance, as you point out.
I respect your view that Christian men should try to walk the line despite the odds. However, I wonder if there could also be a role for re-establising pro-family cultural norms. There are small groups within the West – Amish, Orthodox Jews, assorted cults – that manage to do this.
Or, if women and feminized men are so susceptible to media brainwashing, perhaps that avenue could be hacked to push them in another direction.”
This [statement in bold] is what the entire Christian Red Pill hopes and dreams for in their wildest fantasies. And the reasons it doesn’t happen are as numerous and complicated as the ocean is wide.
I tried to hone a workable list of what this might look like. I attempted to include as many different denominational/traditional world views and I got precisely zero other Manospherians, (who lament the lack such communities) to consider a very mild courtship proposition wherein children brought up in like-minded homes could at least be exposed to each other. No guarantees, no arranged marriages. Simple, wholesome introductions into a newly minted subculture with no weirdos, no purity rings, no perverts, just people who think family formation would be more likely under certain conditions.
Hence, another “black pill” consensus wherein the one thing everyone agrees on is that this re-establishing of bygone social norms (like knowing and really being involved in the lives of the people your kids marry) ain’t going to happen.
All over the Christian Manosphere (and most of those blogs are still up, with comments going back at least a decade and a half) was a weeping and gnashing of teeth, low level grumbling about what a culture that reinforces marriage and family formation would look like.
Everyone agree(d) that this remnant would have to rise from the ashes of the demolished culture and accomplish what Dalrock once called “saving the seeds of civilization while the fire rushes over the forest”.
But this nucleus, this hidden, silent group never materialized and those seeds are (maybe) being saved in individual families (like Elspeths?) and without interconnectedness and multiplying will be consumed by the fire as sure as I sit here today.
What good is it for me to read ancient texts and share ancient wisdom (“Things that We have Heard and Known” – the name of Cane Caldo’s blog) to 5 year olds in my house when no one within 1,000 miles is doing the same? We’re all going to be a bunch of Yodas practicing a dead religion on a jungle island in one generation. But Luke will not be visiting to learn the ways of Christ and go slaughter the Cathedral.
So what should you do? Go to an American Heritage Girls troop? Join an Amish community? OK. The internet and our super cool jobs and gadgets are just too fun.
Richard Grannon (I will be critiquing a really interesting video he did recently) posed this rhetorical question almost flippantly, “Who has a value system that remains useful over multiple contexts?”, and that really struck me. I mean who, really? I am like a chameleon in my public life. My true beliefs would get me shunned from the company of even those who call themselves “conservatives”.
So sure… If we have about a bazillion dollars and want to buy a nature preserve like in the movie, “The Village” (2004), then can we can bring all our friends to start a commune? That’s about the only option we have, as far as I can tell.
- Radix Fidem: Conditions Not Ripe Yet (2020 November 26)