Come ye, all ye who are hoary and well laiden, and sex will save your soul!
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Introduction
As I was reading NovaSeeker’s last post about The Slow Train Wreck (2021 January 18), and some related web articles, it became apparent to me that the train wreck experience is framed by W as a sort of spiritual awakening. There were some comments under the last few posts that insinuated the same idea.
In this post, I’ll recount several quotes and clips that made me realize this. Relevant statements are indicated in boldface. Moreover, it supports the concept of Feminism being like a religion.
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New York Post (Melkorka Licea): ‘My sexuality is sacred’: Bisexual pastor-turned-stripper has never been happier (2020 September 23)
Note the statement “My sexuality is sacred“ in the title. Sexuality is truly sacred, but this article puts a twist on this, as it tells the story of her “conversion”.
[W] left her pastor life behind to pursue her dreams of becoming a stripper.
The opening statement implies that she has a new calling in life, a new purpose for living. Being “regenerated” is a central component of a spiritual experience.
Growing up in a strict Baptist family, [W] was expected to be quiet, reserved and sweet. But her dreams weren’t quite so conservative.
She discovered that the various norms and expectations that have been put upon her by God, by other humans, and by human institutions (e.g. church, school) are different from her inner nature and/or who God created her to be. This is another element of a “spiritual awakening”.
“From a young age, I had fantasized about being a stripper,” [W], who now works as an erotic dancer on OnlyFans, told The Post. “But I was indoctrinated to believe my desires and my body were innately sinful and bad.”
She experienced an internal struggle between what she desires, and what she knows is a morally worthy choice about what to do with her life.
So instead of pursuing the pole, the mother of three went all-in on religion — and became a pastor. Even that, however, was rebellious in her family’s eyes.
So at first, she sacrifices her inner desires. However, she got the impression that no matter what she chooses, there is no opportunity to become “accepted” (Translation: popular). There is no easy path in life.
“I was taught that women aren’t allowed to lead and that women belong in the kitchen and with the children,” said [W], 36. “So even though it went against everything I was told, I decided to become [a pastor] because of my love for performing.”
There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance here, as we note that the first statement is a tenet of feminism (not true Christianity). But she finds some expression of her deepest desire through serving in the church. It is interesting how this quote spins her serving as a pastor as a type of rebellion, when in fact, female ministers are quite acceptable in many churches (e.g. Presbyterian and Episcopalian).
In 2011, [W], along with her now ex-husband, joined the Woodland Hills Church — an evangelist megachurch in St. Paul, Minnesota — which opened her eyes to the possibility of gender equality within the faith.
The modern church is a worldly institution that carries a paper thin veneer of the Christian religion. She and her husband failed to see how “gender equality” is a manifestation of feminism within the church — something which does not conform to God’s proscribed order. This is an important development which will come up again later in the story.
“It blew my mind,” she recalled of her first visit to the holy house. Every Sunday, [W] was the first in line to ask the pastor a question after the sermon.
She was curious and seeking for answers – How can she rectify her desires with her needs, and still find peace with God.
“One of my pastors said, ‘[W], did you realize that you’re a theologian?’ And they said, ‘We’d like you to be one of our pastors’,” she recalled. “To be on stage in front of thousands of people — that’s what I had been dreaming of for years.”
So her pastor, either purposefully or inadvertently, fed her some false hopes about how her desire for self-glorification could fit into the life of faith.
Eager to rise up the ranks, [W] — who was also raising three kids now aged, 10, 7 and 4 — snagged a spot as a weekly pastor in 2016.
She ate that up, thinking it to be the answer to her inner turmoil. Hence, in her mind, she thought it was “God’s will”. But we shall see that it was only the sense of ecstatic satisfaction that comes when an inner desire is attained.
But [W’s] true identity began to unfurl when she attended a LGBT-oriented theater performance later in 2016.
So we see, her interest in serving in her church was not based on her desire to serve God, but only to explore the “enlightenment” of feminism that cast a shadow over the church. That is, the aspects of “gender equality”, self-promotion, and now, sexual liberation — the last of which is a topic that is assiduously swept under the rug because it violates doctrine and would mar the veneer of Christianity.
“I was like, ‘Oh my gosh, I don’t think I’m straight’ and it rocked my world,” said [W], who now identifies as bisexual and pansexual. “I knew if I revealed my queerness I would lose it all because the church is not welcoming to queer people.”
NovaSeeker told me in a private message that, based on all his coverage of Ws story, he still wasn’t convinced that she was truly bisexual. She was merely being influenced by a new herd and from them she picked up a new enthusiasm. The common thread between the church herd and the LGBT herd is that they both buy into feminist doctrine. However, the doctrine of the LGBT herd is a purer embodiment of feminist ideology, and more importantly, it penetrates to the crawl of the soul seeker.
She suddenly felt as if she was living “a very duplicitous life” and struggled to keep her sexuality a secret.
So she began to see how the various norms and expectations from her family, and the limitations imposed by Christianity stand in variance to the pure doctrine of feminism. Now she is faced with a real choice – a “crossroad” if you will. She must choose between the life of faith which wages war against her mind, and the enervating soulish life of self-centeredness.
And what decision will she make?
So after giving her first widely-attended weekend sermon on July 4th weekend in 2017, [W] left the church for good.
“I just never showed up again,” she said.
She had found a purer source of defilement. Ahhh…
We are not told what happened immediately after this — all the details of her self-explorations and self-discoveries. We can only imagine the sordid events and profane experiences which sanctified her soul to sin, and the sacrifices she made in forfeiting her marriage and family.
A few months later, [W] came out publicly in a confessional YouTube video posted on her social media platforms.
Faced with rebuilding her life, she wondered what was next.
“I started following my life coach’s wife [on Instagram] who was doing lingerie modeling,” said [W]. “I was kind of triggered by it… but I was also magnetically drawn to it.”
The internal conflict rears its head once again — what she was taught, versus what her conscience says, versus what she desires.
[W] knew she wanted to delve deeper into her own sexual desires and signed up for a class called “Sexpress You.”
Aaaand… desire wins yet another round!
“It was all about expressing your sexy self and that was the linchpin that I needed,” said [W]. Right after, she linked up with a photographer to do her first nude photoshoot.
“I cried because I had never felt more holy and sacred in my life,” she recalled of the shoot. “I never felt more sexy and liberated than I did then.”
Weeping tears of repentance! Now her joy is complete in her salve-ation! As it is written in the hory scriptures,
“Baring thy buttocks with quivering knees is great ecstasy. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have popular attention and meretricious power in our natural state, we will be content with that.”
Spoof based on 1st Timothy 6:6-10.
This photographer must have been quite a chad, for her to be “converted” so exquisitely.
Satire aside, one stumbling block in finding the Christian life is at the moment one reaches the object of one’s desires, and the thrilling fullness of the moment leads one to believe that one has had an encounter with God.
The reason she had the impression that posing nude for a photoshoot is a “holy” experience is because she is so proud and dead on the inside that this is what it takes to humble her, and for her to experience unconditional love and acceptance, among other things. Actually, there is a lot of “soul food” that comes out of this kind of experience. I examined this phenomena in a previous post, How is illicit sex related to one’s spiritual state? (2019 May 22)
Thrilled with her new calling as a stripper and erotic model, [W] launched an OnlyFans account where she posts explicit photos and videos in exchange for money.
“I started off really timid like just topless photos, but now I’m at the point where I take personal requests and make videos very tailored to people’s specific desires,” said Mitchell, who also works as a life coach and offers courses such as “How to Unf - - k Yourself” about how to be your true self. “I’m to the point where back in March I was actually going to be paid several thousand dollars to have sex with someone, and I was A-OK with that, but then COVID hit and that got cancelled.”
She gained more self-confidence from this experience.
If you want to know who or what your de facto god is, look at where you spend your time and money.
[W] relocated to Los Angeles in August 2019, and divorced her husband in June.
But today, [W] is happier than ever.
Yes, happiness is the litmus test of pure doctrinal adjudication! Just as it is written in the hory scriptures,
There remaineth therefore a convenient addiction to the women of OASIS.
For she that is entered into this addiction, she also hath ceased from her own works, and shall be televised while comported upon her bedstead, as Belle Delphine and Lindsay Capuano did from theirs.
Let women labour therefore to enter into that addiction, lest any woman fall after the same example of unbelief in herself.
Spoof based on Hebrews 4:9-11.
The following is right out of the article.
“Every person has the right to express themselves in whatever way feels good to them and this is how it feels good to me,” she said.
And while her preaching days might be behind her, stripping, for [W], is just as holy.
“My sexuality is incredibly healing and sacred,” she said. “And when I give this gift to people, it blesses them.”
The hory Feeelz is the proof of her calling!
She fails to mention that it curses her husband and children.
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Quotes from NovaSeeker’s post, The Slow Train Wreck — a Cautionary Tale (2021 January 18)
“I didn’t know what I wanted for the longest time. … [But I learned that actually] I wanted to be rich! I wanted to serve the masses! I wanted to make a difference in the world! I wanted to feel sexy AF in my body! I wanted to be the kind of leader the world hadn’t seen yet!”.
Translation: I have found my god ordained mission – my divine life calling!
“Girls are taught from a young age to fear/hate/mistrust their bodies, whether it’s from society, religion, family. And I think I know why. The patriarchy knows how powerful a woman is in all her glory. When she sees her body as her powerful vessel, her emotions as sacred, her intuition as divine, she becomes unstoppable. And when a woman becomes unstoppable, there’s nothing she can’t be, do, or have. And that goes against the very nature and message of patriarchy (#sorrynotsorry).”
Translation: Women are divine goddesses! Anyone who says otherwise is a blasphemer.
Note that there is a reverse repentance. She’s repenting from “patriarchy”, which is a stand in for Christian morality.
“I decide to have it right now. And I make it happen. This is what it means to operate at the level of cause in life. I decide how my life goes. I decide what I want. I decide what I am worthy of. I decide what I am capable of. And I go out and make that happen.”
Translation: I am my own god!
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Knewz (Randall Ryan): Pastor-turned-OnlyFans porn star says ‘her dreams have come true’ in emotional end of year Instagram post (2021 January 1)
“I had always been part of the Church, I loved the Church and my people, and I did everything I could to fulfil my leadership calling in the Church.”
“Until I could no longer fit there, the fullness of who I was wasn’t welcomed,” [W] recalled of her pre-stripping pastor days. “I was queer, my Church didn’t accept queer people, and I had desires to express myself in ways I had never been able to. I decided to finally step into the unknown and see where it would lead me, and it led me here and I am very grateful for it.”
The Christian approach to this kind of self-discovery is to call it out as something foreign to your being (confession), and ask God to cleanse you from it (repentance). This usually does the trick of kickstarting the Holy Spirit’s process of renewal. But instead of calling out her sin, she calls out the church for condemning her sinful nature!
While [W] did indeed love her husband during her pastor days, she realized some six or seven years into their relationship that she was not fully heterosexual and needed to strip herself of the confines of matrimony.
That clause in bold is necessary, or else she would appear like a total monster.
Again, this is like a conversion but in reverse. Instead of leaving her sin behind, she leaves her church, husband, and family behind.
According to The Sun, [W] grew up in a religious military family before joining the army of online ladies evangelizing hedonism to paying subscribers on the fast-growing church that is OnlyFans.
Now OnlyFans is her “church”! (Translation: a place where she is worshipped and adored.) Even the secular news frames this as a religious experience!
Growing up in a military family, [W’s] family life was rigid and very religious with visits to the local baptist church every Sunday. So it was hardly surprising when she decided to go to university in Cedarville, Ohio, and study Bible Studies.
You’ll notice the subtle condescending connotation about religion (i.e. “rigid and very religious”).
The 36-year-old mom of three said she went six years as a young adult without having sex with a soul.
It is glossed over that she had been sexually promiscuous in high school, and yet she still chose to attend a Christian college. Cognitive dissonance abounds.
I’ve been to Cedarville College. It is Christian in name, but a lot of stuff happens after the lights go out.
“I basically started dating Jesus,” she said in an interview with Fabulous.
Something is definitely off with her understanding of theology.
“I became deeply, deeply focused on God. I stopped dating men entirely. While I had slept with guys in high school, it was terrible, teenage sex where we didn’t know what we were doing, I decided to stop seeing anyone during my time at university.”
Notice how she equates sex as a diametric antagonist of God and Christianity. Her view of sex is warped. So when she became disappointed with sex, then she thought she is getting closer to God.
Still searching for meaning? Just when it seems like she’s about to wake up, but… no…
“From a young age, I had fantasized about being a stripper,” Nikole Mitchell told the New York Post of shedding her pastor robes, and so much more, the Toronto Sun notes. “But I was indoctrinated to believe my desires and my body were innately sinful and bad.”
Yes, that last statement affirms that her mental concept of sex has been corrupted.
“I was taught that women aren’t allowed to lead and that women belong in the kitchen and with the children,” said Mitchell, 36. “So even though it went against everything I was told, I decided to become (a pastor) because of my love for performing.”
The same last two paragraphs above also appeared in the New York Post article. It seems like these trite clichés of the “bondage” of Christian “indoctrination” appear in every article. It’s another flip, mind you. Instead of decrying sin as spiritual bondage, it is now Christianity that is a bondage. They must not fail to press forth the narrative.
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And she even has a testimony of her “conversion”!
“I was the poster child for people-pleasing, perfection, and scarcity mindset (not enough time! not enough money! not enough friends!). I was exhausted. And broke. And ready for a new narrative. I knew I had a big calling on my life, and I was tired of feeling like it was just out of my reach!
To access this dream life, I had to shed layers that no longer served me. I had to own the fullness of who I was, even if it meant disappointing important people in my life. So I came out publicly as queer. I left the Christian faith. And I took a deep breath of fresh air for the first time in a long time. I was FREE! Because I was ME. That’s when everything changed in my life for the better.”
Source: [W’s] About Page.
She’s still (not was) a poster child for people-pleasing, perfection, and scarcity mindset. But she’s not broke or confused about what she wants anymore.
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Rise and shine, b!tches!
…are the words emblazoned across the home page on her website.
“For most of my life, I didn’t know I had a voice. When I found my voice, I was scared to use it, and at times I’m still scared to speak up. Here in this space, however, I seek to speak my truth even when my voice shakes. In my writings and videos, I vulnerably talk about things most people are too afraid to bring up in hopes to remind people that we are not alone; in fact, it is my hope for you and me to know that we are more loved, whole, beautiful, and destined for greatness than we have dared to believe. So let’s rise and shine, bitches!”
Source: [W’s] Front Page.
Now she is a virtual “televangelist”, spreading the gospel of feminism and the saving grace of OASIS to poor, lonely women everywhere, all the while lending comfort to lusty incels and their kind!
Epilogue
I’ll end with a quote from NovaSeeker.
“…the phenomenon becomes much more of a “thing” when it comes packaged with a set of ideas (they are not coherent enough to be called an “ideology”, per se, but are really just a jumble of empowerment ideas that are kind of a loose “ideology lite”) that make the woman feel good/right/justified/empowered/sacred/holy by what she is doing. Yoga is full of this. It takes the art of erotic self-display and makes it into something holy and sacred. W goes on and on in her claptrap (and mentioned to the NY Post’s reporter as well) that she feels that her work on OnlyFans is the most sacred acts she has ever done, and she is healing people and helping them spiritually by what she is doing and so on.
Now it’s easy for us to snicker at that and say that it’s got to be a pure grift — she can’t believe that, right? But, to the contrary, I am pretty sure she does believe it. She sees herself as fulfilling her sacred calling as a woman, embodied erotic grace and so on.
Moral of the story — women appear to be very susceptible to jumbles of ideas (ideology lite) that link together sexiness, attention, and the sacred. It appears to be catnip on steroids for women. Be very careful with it.
Related
- Dalrock: Repenting of sexual morality. (2015 November 2)
- Dalrock: A god we must obey. (2017 February 26)
- Gunner Q: A Christian Whore Of Babylon (2021 January 20)
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There’s no such thing as “bisexual” (or homosexual for that matter) as distinct from the (sinful) act. Just as there’s no such thing as a thief as distinct from the act. “Bisexual” is something you do not something you are.
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I think what she means is that she realized she was attracted to other women sexually/romantically.
According to what I have read on the internet, she has said relatively recently (past several months) that she has not had sex with a woman … this despite “coming out” in 2016, and having been separated from H since September 2019, and having goner through what was, in her own description, a “summer of sluttiness” in 2020. No women in there. So whatever it is with W, it isn’t active sexual activity.
My view on such things is that with women it’s normal for them to be attracted at times sexually and emotionally to other women. (It likely has its root in the ability women have to bond in a very strong nurturing/intimate way with children of both sexes, I would guess — but tha’s speculation and beside the point.) But having those attrractions from time to time does not make a woman bisexual or lesbian in her primary attraction — it just makes her a typical woman. If a woman only is sexually attracted to women, this is an orientation/imprinting issue and it can be difficult to remove — and is a cross for Christians to bear, regardless of their sex. But it’s also very rare among women (like twice as rare as it is among men). Almost all women are sexually and romantically attracted to men, and experience some attraction to women at times as a normal part of being a woman — it doesn’t mean they are bisexual or lesbian in their attractions. That is my guess as to what is going on with W — particularly since her actual sexual activity, which by her own admission has been significant since the separation, has not involved another woman at any point, despite this being easier to find in Los Angeles than a good burger.
For men, of course, as we know, this works differently. Men are either/or in their attractions — and a guy who said he discovered he was sexually/romantically attracted to men is really a guy who is “gay” in his sexual/romantic attractions, because in men that almost never “coexists” with being sexually/romantically attracted to women. It’s either/or for men.
Either way, I agree with your main point that as Christians we should disagree with the concept that is now entrenched that one’s identity is very closely linked and identified with one’s sexual attraction vectors. There is no “homosexual” identity. There are men and women who have attractions to people of the same sex, and these attractions are abnormal, and not of God (just as many other “innate” tendencies of fallen humans are not of God and tend towards sin). They are not “who we are” any more than a propensity to want to lie is “who we are”. But at the same time it makes no sense to deny that there are some people who are primarily attracted to people of their own sex, unfortunately — it’s a cross they have to bear in life, to suffer through that in celibacy for the sake of Christ’s suffering and in solidarity with him, however, and not a part of their God-given identity. And in any case, W is not one of these — she is rather obviously almost exclusively attracted, in practice, to men.
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““My sexuality is incredibly healing and sacred,” she said. “And when I give this gift to people, it blesses them.”
No doubt, then this gift should be given for free, especially to those of us who are financially challenged. Should contact her about getting to plow her for free – this healing is something she shouldn’t deny (free of charge – you don’t pay for gifts) to a brother in the faith.
Snark off. This broad is nuts. Not a shrink but my best guess is she was molested.
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Nope.
It’s tempting for us all to reach for the “standard tropes” to explain a phenomenon like W — “oh, it must be like it usually is with women like this, molestation or something”.
Reality is that things are turning upside-down and there are new risks. The precise point is that it ISN’T just women who are “broken when young” like that who are doing this kind of thing right now. That is the point.
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Great article, Jack.
I think something that gets overlooked in her story, in part because she is the one spinning it and in part because of the current environment, is how her ethnic issues play into this, and her sense of feeling “trapped”.
W is 1/2 Korean. Her mom is Korean from Korea. W is bilingual. When H and W met, W was teaching in Korea like he was, but unlike him she was not teaching English language, but rather was teaching actual subject matter classes, in Korean, in a Korean HS. Bottom line is: she is much, much more of that culture than she allows to come across in any of these articles. And that culture is in many ways different from “standard American Christian culture”. Really what W grew up with was a hybrid of American Baptist (according to her ex-H, not of the especially strict variety, but still with some expectations … as we see it wasn’t effective in HS for W in any case, so not all that strict, as she claims) and ethnic Korean. Her complaints about “patriarchy” and “roles for women” and “role of sex” and so on, stem from both sources, in truth, but she only talks about one of them — she doesn’t want to talk about the Korean side of things, because that doesn’t play well in our culture, where it is not fashionable to point out that non-American cultures are less “progressive” about women’s issues. And she does that even when one such culture was obviously front and center in her life. If anything she works very hard to hide her Korean-ness most of the time, and that’s probably because of the dissonance it creates in her.
In addition to that, I think we also have to be careful to assume that W’s descriptions of her own background reflect what she was being taught in the home/Church about things, or rather whether they reflect the ideology she adopted when she became associated with the LGBT ideology and all of its writings. My guess is that it’s a mix of both, but some of the ways that she chooses to describe things are so textbook feminist that they can’t have been ideas she had before she read them in some feminist text. This is even doubly the case because Christianity is being made to do all the work, rather than sharing the work with her Korean-ness, because she wants to pin things on one side and not the other — because pinning it on both would be uncool in 2021.
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Don’t assume however that any of W’s immoral behavior is culturally Korean, and not just human/female sin. I lived from 1976-1982 in South Korea before W was born there. The East Asians from places like China and Korea have historically been far less sexually immoral than Southeast Asians. Beijing ain’t Bangkok. There was no open homosexuality there when I left, and prostitutes were socially reviled. Homosexuality is not a historic Korean practice. Nor did their historical art have the level of pornographic art that was present in many other more decadent cultures. The Koreans have seemingly been a close-knit highly moral society for most of their history, up to and including their widespread adoption of Christianity. If W does not bring up her Korean heritage it could be to spare herself the condemnation that most Koreans would give her for shaming them by her immoral behavior. The Koreans are hyper-conscious about “loosing face”, and do not like a bad image to be presented of their people, their culture, or their nation. Koreans aren’t nearly as tongue-tied by political correctness as we are. They wouldn’t hesitate to call her a whore and blame it on her American father and American culture.
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Northern peoples (e.g. Koreans) are more K-strategists (on average) than southern peoples. East Asians probably more so than Europeans.
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My father held a theory that hotter climates led to less clothes and more promiscuity and that food was generally easier to get, and less calories were needed, leading to slothfulness, whereas colder climates required harder work and delayed gratification to survive the harsh winters and meant more clothing was worn year around. So as a very general rule, with plenty of exceptions, a society’s morality tracks with their coldness of climate, which is often correlated to their latitude. He generally thought society’s in the tropics had low moral standards.
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Don’t assume however that any of W’s immoral behavior is culturally Korean,
Yeah I was actually suggesting 180 degrees the opposite. I guess that wasn’t clear in what I wrote. Re-reading what I wrote, I see how it could be read to mean “W was slutty because she was Korean, and that’s why she isn’t telling us that”. That wasn’t what I was saying, and it isn’t what I think.
What I was saying, which I likely should have spelled out more clearly, is that W’s Korean background is a part of the “patriarchy” she was rebelling against. It wasn’t just the “American Baptist” background, but also the Korean background, because both are “patriarchy” and neither endorses her lifestyle or life choices. I should have spelled that out more clearly — mea culpa.
I also agree on the “face” issue, in terms of her family losing face by what she is doing, but that’s water under the bridge. If she cared much about the face they are losing due to her, she would have chosen to hide her identity, which she did not. In fact, one could say that she is intentionally inflicting a loss of face on her mother, her brothers and her Korean relatives, all of whom must be well aware of what she is doing because, again, it’s all posted on the exact same feed as the one where she shared her kid pics a few years ago, and therefore likely all of them see it as plain as day.
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“My father held a theory…”
That’s pretty much Rushton’s hypothesis.
Don’t know if he ever remarked on the following. It seems that when African cultures try to control female sexuality (when they bother trying) they are prone to more severe measures, e.g. female genital mutilation. Middle Eastern, mid-latitude cultures are still harsh in their methods, but less so than African societies. European societies, even less so. My guess is northeast Asian societies require even less harshness than European but who knows.
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I don’t know. Ever heard the stereotypes about girls from Iceland, Sweden, Norway, etc.?
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Culture, shame, publicly articulated standards and values matter. In the case of Scandinavia, it’s probably the worst for “do what you want if you don’t cause immediate harm to others” as a publicly articulated standard. It also has the most beautiful women in the world. Yemen and Somalia still have somewhat traditional standards in place (traditional for them).
All things being equal, ice people seem to require fewer and less harsh social controls on women than sun people. To the extent that social controls beyond “let shit happen” are put into place.
Nurture/culture matters but so does nature.
Hard to compare the biological differences as manifested in contemporary socities over the historically short span of modernity when the cultures vary so much – “cut her clit off and sew her up”, “put her in a burka and beat her ass if she gets out of line” and “worship her godessness and encourage her to do what she wants.” Also unequal living standards – she can be slutty and rich in the West vs. she’s utterly dependent on family, husbands, etc.
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So, what I’m reading is; don’t attend megachurches in general, or churches that allow women to preach in particular.
Also, whenever secular people talk about “strict” churches, or “rigid” upbringings, I take it with a block of salt.
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“One of my pastors said, ‘[W], did you realize that you’re a theologian?’ And they said, ‘We’d like you to be one of our pastors’,” she recalled. “To be on stage in front of thousands of people — that’s what I had been dreaming of for years.””
We don’t know the mega Church’s side of the story. But this sounds like their leadership was incredibly naïve, foolish, and rebellious. Did they vet her for character before allowing her to teach publicly? Also, allowing her, as a woman, to teach the whole church was rebelling against Scripture.
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Any group that calls itself a church yet places women in positions of authority or teaching isn’t a church.
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One red flag, she says she slept with several different guys while still in high school.
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From the Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9162581/Christian-OnlyFans-model-says-religion-does-not-stop-stripping-off.html
That’s because her religion is not Christianity. Her religion is self-worship.
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“That’s because her religion is not Christianity. Her religion is self-worship.”
I get that this is happening in the church world with some women; however, in thinking about my church, I have to stretch my imagination to picture the young women doing this. Is it possible? Yes, I guess anything’s possible, right? But really, what percentage of church girls do this kind of thing? Seems to me like they’d be more of an outlier than the average church girl. Idk, what do you all think? What percentage of church girls/women are doing OnlyFans?
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While the percentage of women who go full porn-preacher leading the way to whore-heaven, may be small, todays churches teach all women that men are to give the feminine goddesses the worth-ship to be served above what masculine God stipulates in the Bible, and that the “voice” inside of women is(a goddess) to be hearkened unto.
That is no exaggeration. Worshipping the goddess within yourself is what today’s(new age) churches all teach to women, and the men are taught to pedestalize women above themselves and to hearken to their wife’s desires and not to rule over her well as God wants men to do. If you can’t see that the churches are all houses of goddess worship, keep looking for it until you can see it.
You can read online the satanic prayers of actual new-age witches to the goddess within themselves, and then listen to the preaching at any church and hear the same message couched in more subtle language. If you have ears to hear it, and are delivered from this world’s blindness, it is there, deeply rooted in all the churches.
They believe women are the bodily image of their goddess/godhead. And they believe men who are fathers & sons, should not be reverenced and obeyed as the image of the Father or Christ the Son. When Ariana Grande sings “God is a Woman” all modern churches believe she is half right, having blasphemously made the image of God the Father and Son into a hermaphrodite deity.(like Baphomet) Some churches will go so far as to blasphemously teach that the Holy spirit, who Himself impregnated Mary with a son, is a female “Comforter”.(making the virgin birth the fruit of a fruitless lesbian act) The early church unanimously believed that only men were the image of our masculine God, for the first 350 years.
1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
Typical of the early church fathers, Ambrosiaster wrote: “Paul says that the honor and dignity of a man makes it wrong for him to cover his head, because the image of God should not be hidden. Indeed, it ought not to be hidden, for the glory of God is seen in the man. … A woman therefore ought to cover her head, because she is not the likeness of God but is under subjection.”
Our churches today don’t understand why the Bible tells defiling women to adorn themselves with shamefacedness, because they have wrongly imagine the Most High Father’s image is carried by weaker vessels who were created to be in reverent subjection to men who really do image God. The man was made for God to serve God. The woman was made for man to serve man, and in serving man she also serves God by serving the purpose God created her for, to be a helper and a mate to the man. Once you pretend women are also the matchless image of the Most High God, then they obviously become equal to men, and their subjection in marriage and society becomes the unjust enslavement of an equal, not the natural and beautiful service of an inferior serving her superior, as she was secondly created for. They make God into an unjust enslaver of equals, instead of our holy patriarch the everlasting Father and Lord of all spirits and all flesh, who created a governmental hierarchy whereby the lesser serve the greater, culminating in all service ultimately serving the will of the Most High God, on earth as it is in heaven.
You can deny it, but that’s how it is. All the churches teach blasphemous goddess worship and are whoring daughter churches of the Mother of Harlots, the Great Whore of Rome, who “gave” women the image of God(around 400AD) in order to deify Mary. Those who worship God now worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, and a rib or remnant is now being separated out of the body of Christ to be made by God into the Bride of Christ the Last Adam, just as the rib was taken out of the body of the first Adam to be made into his bride. Light your lamp, and see through the darkness that has settled on us all. God is our Father not our mother, and women do not image the Father or the Son or their holy united masculine Spirit. Women are designed by God to be periodically unclean. If they were to image a spirit, would that not be an unclean spirit which tempts men? LOL Don’t blaspheme God’s Holy Spirit, women, created as a second class of human, cannot be equal to men who bear the image and glory of God, by being son’s and fathers, as God Himself constantly portrayed the image of Himself as Father and Son. Does a daughter image God, does a mother image God? No! By definition they could only ever image a goddess. Even the word God is masculine, because God made our languages, and God made it that way. Worship the Father and Son in Spirit and Truth, not believing the delusion that they are feminine soy-deities imaged equally by women and men. God never changes! That alone is proof positive he ain’t got a feminine side. Come out from among those churchians.
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
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Novaseeker
My view on such things is that with women it’s normal for them to be attracted at times sexually and emotionally to other women.
i don’t know about that. i’ve heard similar things before, but … idk. i’ve never ever ever been sexually and emotionally attracted to women. that has never ever been anywhere on my radar. and unless they’re lying, i’ve heard the same from other women.
when clinton was in office and made oral sex ‘normal,’ it became ‘normal’ among kids. in that era i had friends with kids in middle and high school, and during that time public ssa between girls skyrocketed. somehow i think there’s a connection to all that blatant sexual promiscuity and the progression to where we are today.
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Romans 1:25(ESV) because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
The Bible seems to make clear that lesbianism is contrary to nature. However in a culture that worships and serves women rather than our Creator, many will be given up to such dishonorable passions and have a debased mind which justifies them.
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Sharkly – i don’t deny this to be true. what i have issue with is the statement that ALL women will have sexual emotional desires for other women at least once in their lifetime.
i think that is totally false and that the assumption began in that terrible era and has morphed to this degree, and even more tragic that christian men believe this to be true of all women.
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Ame,
We don’t communicate, do we?
My comment was meant to back you up 100%, from the word of God, that lesbianism is not natural. And that only because our era is so terrible and godforsaken does lesbianism and its normalization even exist.
I do however believe a concept that I believe Novaseeker and some others have mentioned here before that women’s sex preferences are more “fluid” than men’s preferences which are pretty static. Or put another way women are generally more easily led astray, and that applies even to matters of sexuality. Men however are generally harder to lead astray, but can also become more stubbornly attached to their sin and be harder to lead back out of sin as well. And if the sin is an addiction, then things can get nearly impossible for another person to correct, without a miracle.
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I’m sorry, Sharkly. I did misunderstand you. I keep thinking I’ll figure you out, but I haven’t got there yet. My apologies.
Interesting your comment about women being more fluid – that’s bad when it pertains to matters of sin, but when used according to design, that’s good because we can mold to our Husbands.
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“That’s because her religion is not Christianity. Her religion is self-worship.”
I get that this is happening in the church world with some women; however, in thinking about my church, I have to stretch my imagination to picture the young women doing this. Is it possible? Yes, I guess anything’s possible, right? But really, what percentage of church girls do this kind of thing? Seems to me like they’d be more of an outlier than the average church girl. Idk, what do you all think? What percentage of church girls/women are doing OnlyFans?
that’s an interesting question. and i think there are perhaps two or three questions here:
1. What percentage of church girls actually are doing this kind of thing?
2. What percentage of church girls could, in all reality, actually do this kind of thing?
3. What percentage of church girls wish they could and/or fantasize about being able to/willing to do this kind of thing?
the percentage who are actually doing this kind of thing – OF or something similar – right now? i’d guess low.
the percentage who could? medium to high.
the percentage who fantasize about it? higher.
why? because there’s been no difference in how they’ve been raised than any other girl out there. just about every picture i’ve seen of girls in my daughters’ peer groups posted on fb over the years has them posing in provocative ways and wearing skimpy clothes.
how great is the leap to go from wearing tiny bikinis to wearing lingerie in photos? and victoria’s secret is next door to build-a-bear. we’re not talking about a great leap here … it’s just a few steps from how they were raised, being told by their christian parents with pride that they look sexy. being the envy of all the girls.
i think this comment (copied below) on the other post points out something critical: “the only force holding a woman to her vows was in her head.” there must be something that keeps a woman inside boundaries. whether that’s ‘in her head’ or in her heart – her fear of God. i’m not sure this has changed since the beginning of time. i know we think it’s the worst it’s ever been, but there have been debase cultures in the history of time – ours is not the first. we’re the first with the kind of technology we have, but certainly not the first (nor the worst, yet) debase culture.
Random Angeleno says:
2021-01-22 at 4:19 am
Dalrock said very early on that the only force holding a woman to her vows was in her head, that men need to find out whether their prospective fiance has that internal compass. The scary part is how does one know one’s prospective fiance is capable of abandoning her marriage for this? The problem is there is no real scarlet letter attached to this conduct any more. Look at how they use their real names now. How could the H of the last article have vetted for this in his future W? Maybe there were signs of that love of money?
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In my area it is quite common for parents to have fundraisers for some school athletic or sport program. This usually means having their kids in their sports uniform stand in front of the entrance to a big box store with a bucket collecting donations. It also means mothers having their daughters (elementary school age?) dressed in skimpy cheerleading outfits dancing or doing some simple routine while collecting donations. So what are the mothers teaching their daughters? Easy – just put on a skimpy outfit and dance and strangers will throw money in bucket. Not much of a leap from performing in front of a big box store to performing on OnlyFans or at a gentleman’s club.
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This is almost literally true. There’s a mall near me where I take my little kids because they have an American Girl store, a Lego store, and a Build-a-Bear. VS is between the Lego store and Build-a-Bear. You can’t walk from one to the other without walking past VS.
Yes, this is very important to keep in mind. Leviticus 18 bans a long list of sexual perversions, including incest, bestiality, and necrophilia. I remember the first time I read that chapter thinking, “gross! Why would you need to tell anyone not to do that stuff?!”
Well, here’s why.
Leviticus 18:24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you.
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27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled)
The perversions banned in Leviticus 18 were common, and “normal” in Canaan.
Likewise, Muslim men in Iraq and Afghanistan think nothing of raping little boys, or having sex with animals.
No, we’re not the first, nor the worst, but we’re heading in that direction.
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i think the most profound take-a-way from all of this info about oasis, which truly is shocking, is how much it is not shocking. it’s just the next thing. the next step. we didn’t go from little-house-on-the-prarie to oasis overnight. it was a progression … one step at a time. it was conceived a long time ago. the gestation period was long. the deaths it’s giving birth to are progressive and growing bigger all the time b/c they’re consuming more and more in their destructive path as they snowball to a crash landing somewhere at that elusive bottom of the mountain.
I Corinthians 6:18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
this is Truth. the deaths from these sins are continuous and many.
Deuteronomy 31:16 And the Lord said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them. 17 Then My anger shall be aroused against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide My face from them, and they shall be devoured. And many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, ‘Have not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us?’ 18 And I will surely hide My face in that day because of all the evil which they have done, in that they have turned to other gods.
19 “Now therefore, write down this song for yourselves, and teach it to the children of Israel; put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for Me against the children of Israel.
20 When I have brought them to the land flowing with milk and honey, of which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and filled themselves and grown fat, then they will turn to other gods and serve them; and they will provoke Me and break My covenant. 21 Then it shall be, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify against them as a witness; for it will not be forgotten in the mouths of their descendants, for I know the inclination of their behavior today, even before I have brought them to the land of which I swore to give them.”
22 Therefore Moses wrote this song the same day, and taught it to the children of Israel.
[emphasis mine]
the Song Moses wrote is in Deuteronomy 32 and worth the read.
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I just discovered a great article in a Feminist women’s magazine:
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/feminization-men-cheats-women-natural-desire-to-admire-strong-men/
The author gets a whole lot of stuff right! Except for the author seems to mistakenly think that MGTOW starts with men’s unhealthy thinking, not with an unhealthy world, to which those men then naturally react in order to protect themselves. So there is still that lack of ordinary women taking any responsibility for the mess they created. Apparently radical feminists and their soy boys are to blame.(always somebody else’s fault)
The article is perhaps a sign that the Red-Pill message is gaining a bit more traction, even if it is only one Feminist author who is seemingly only asking us to return to Complementarianism. The fact that a Feminist magazine published it at all is shocking.
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Of note, the author of that article is an Asian female. She also has a number of other articles that are rather well based.
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Well glory be! We might want to check and see if hell has frozen over. A semi-red-pilled woman has been writing for a liberal women’s magazine.
https://www.eviemagazine.com/author/s-g-cheah/
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Ame
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Novaseeker
My view on such things is that with women it’s normal for them to be attracted at times sexually and emotionally to other women.
i don’t know about that. i’ve heard similar things before, but … idk. i’ve never ever ever been sexually and emotionally attracted to women. that has never ever been anywhere on my radar. and unless they’re lying, i’ve heard the same from other women.
when clinton was in office and made oral sex ‘normal,’ it became ‘normal’ among kids. in that era i had friends with kids in middle and high school, and during that time public ssa between girls skyrocketed. somehow i think there’s a connection to all that blatant sexual promiscuity and the progression to where we are today.
i shared this theory that it is normal for all women to be sexually and emotionally attracted to other women with my Oldest. i read the comment to her.
Oldest: “But women friends are emotionally attracted to each other. They hug and even kiss one another’s cheeks.”
Me: “No, sexually emotionally attracted to each other.”
Oldest looking a bit confused: ““Don’t they know that women are friends and emotional and affectionate?
she couldn’t wrap her mind around the idea that all women are sexually emotionally attracted to other women.
i really think that the clinton era created the concept that if women are affectionate with other women, and they have loving friendships, then the must be sexually emotionally attracted to each other, too.
i find this repulsive and demeaning and tragic and destructive.
now you have girls and women freaking out over being friends b/c culture perceives that it might be sexual/emotional rather than simply the way God created us to be. women are emotional and affectionate. little girls hold hands and hug. it used to be that two women who were friends could link arms and walk down the street without anyone thinking anything of it – because there wasn’t anything of it.
i am SO grateful my daughters didn’t buy into that BS from their years in public school. i am SO grateful my Oldest was confused when we had this conversation.
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With all due respect, I simply disagree with you on this one.
I did not write what I wrote on the basis that I mistake the more overt displays of non-sexual affection among women for sexual attraction. So dumb I am not, alas.
What I do note, and have noted since my 20s, is that women are much much more prone to situational SSA and same sex behavior (not simple affection) than men are.
“Lesbian Until Graduation” was/is a thing — girls frustrated with the college dating scene opt for relationships with women, temporarily. I can assure you that there are many more men in that age range who are frustrated with the college dating scene, yet “Gay Until Graduation” just isn’t a thing. Why? It’s because women are more flexible sexually. They are more capable of feeling attracted, or engaging in same sex things than men are, while being still basically heterosexual.
Other examples are the rather well-known cases of women who are obviously straight deciding at some point in their lives to date women, even to marry one. Cynthia Nixon, who was a star in Sex and the City, ended up marrying a woman some years after the show ended. Before “Gay, Inc.” corrected her, she was on record for saying that she was not attracted to women, generally, before meeting her now-wife, and did not consider herself bisexual, but that she simply changed her orientation in response to meeting this specific person. The gay lobby corrected her, and she eventually towed the line and said that she recognized that she was bisexual (even though she said clearly earlier that she had not experienced attraction to women generally when younger) — the reality is that she was basically a straight woman, married to a man always dated men and all that, who ended up dating and marrying a woman. Elizabeth Gilbert did the same thing. Glennon Doyle did the same thing. The list goes on and on.
Where are the men like this? They don’t exist. There are gay men who marry women (although that happens less these days it does still happen) like the former NJ Governor, but these are gay men … not guys who dated women their whole lives and then decide at 45 that they are actually attracted to men, and meet and marry a man. The guys who leave their wives for other men will tell you that they were always attracted to men, but they suppressed it, and their wives will generally tell you that their sex lives were terrible to non-existent for obvious reasons. Gay men can and do have sex with women, which is why some of them have kids with women, but a regular normal sex life with one is not in the cards.
My point is not that “all women are lesbians”. That’s clearly incorrect. The percentage of actual lesbians is very small, smaller than the percentage of men who suffer from exclusive SSA. But women are much more prone to being attracted to other women than men are, such that from my perspective, it is perfectly normal for a women to feel such an attraction in our culture, and it does not mean that she is “LGBT”. That was the point of my comment. I see that you took issue with this because you seem to have read it to say that I was claiming that “all women are lesbians” (which is the opposite of what I was claiming) or that “all women at some point experience SSA” — which is not what I said, and not what I claim.
What I do claim is that it is quite common for otherwise straight women to do so, and the fact that it happens does not in any way mean that the woman is “LGBT”, simply because there are so many otherwise straight women who have experienced SSA and same sex activity, to some degree, in our culture … in a way that is extremely different from that among men. In using the word “normal” I did not mean that “all women experience it”, but that rather it is not abnormal, in our current context, for them to do so, and in my experience in 2021 America it is not abnormal, for whatever reason, for women to experience this, where “normal” and “abnormal” simply refer to the current degree of occurrence of the phenomenon, and not the “normative” nature of the thing morally, historically or otherwise.
Why make the point? One reason is that it explains a whole lot of behavior among women that differs dramatically from men and is otherwise very difficult to explain. But the reason why I made the point in this context is that when a woman thinks that it is very atypical for her, as a straight woman, to have such feelings, it can lead to someone like W, here, to rashly conclude that she was “LGBT” when she experienced such feelings, when in fact she was nothing of the sort, as her subsequent behavior, which has been by her own admission 100% heterosexual, bears out. We can discuss the reasons for why women are experiencing such feelings, given that they are not “LGBT” or generally women who suffer from chronic SSA, but the fact of the existence of such feelings and their commonality is easily observed.
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Women making out with each other is and was a thing in hs/college. However, I wonder how much of it is genuine vs a result of promiscuity and/or attention seeking, as most of their behavior takes place publicly, for all to see.
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Novaseeker –
My view on such things is that with women it’s normal for them to be attracted at times sexually and emotionally to other women. (It likely has its root in the ability women have to bond in a very strong nurturing/intimate way with children of both sexes, I would guess — but tha’s speculation and beside the point.) But having those attrractions from time to time does not make a woman bisexual or lesbian in her primary attraction — it just makes her a typical woman. If a woman only is sexually attracted to women, this is an orientation/imprinting issue and it can be difficult to remove — and is a cross for Christians to bear, regardless of their sex. But it’s also very rare among women (like twice as rare as it is among men). Almost all women are sexually and romantically attracted to men, and experience some attraction to women at times as a normal part of being a woman — it doesn’t mean they are bisexual or lesbian in their attractions.
“Lesbian Until Graduation” was/is a thing — girls frustrated with the college dating scene opt for relationships with women, temporarily.
But women are much more prone to being attracted to other women than men are, such that from my perspective, it is perfectly normal for a women to feel such an attraction in our culture,
I see that you took issue with this because you seem to have read it to say that I was claiming that “all women are lesbians” (which is the opposite of what I was claiming) or that “all women at some point experience SSA” — which is not what I said, and not what I claim.
What I do claim is that it is quite common for otherwise straight women to do so, and the fact that it happens does not in any way mean that the woman is “LGBT”, simply because there are so many otherwise straight women who have experienced SSA and same sex activity, to some degree, in our culture
yes, from all of that it seems to me that you are saying that all women, or nearly all, experience sexual attraction to other women at least once in their lifetimes.
i’m not denying that female ssa exists, or that it is possibly more prevalent – and definitely more visible – than in prior generations.
i think that the reason it’s more widespread is that there is pressure on girls to claim ssa when, in fact, they just like female friends and even have female bff’s. i have a very good friend from high school whose daughter was actively recruited into the lesbian lifestyle using the lie that since she likes other girls, that means that she has romantic and sexual attraction to them – that the two are one and the same.
if we separate out that and take out the fad of ssa, i don’t think the majority of women experience sexual attraction to other women in their lifetimes.
What I do note, and have noted since my 20s, is that women are much much more prone to situational SSA and same sex behavior (not simple affection) than men are.
this i can agree with although i would not have thought of it on my own. i don’t think of this stuff often, and i would not have understood then male side had you and Sharkly not explained it.
But the reason why I made the point in this context is that when a woman thinks that it is very atypical for her, as a straight woman, to have such feelings, it can lead to someone like W, here, to rashly conclude that she was “LGBT” when she experienced such feelings, when in fact she was nothing of the sort, as her subsequent behavior, which has been by her own admission 100% heterosexual, bears out.
W just wanted the attention, the drama, the thrill-seeking, of coming out and saying she’s queer. it’s all about me me me me me me me me me. whether she follows thru on it is irrelevant to her – she gained a broader base of fans loving on her simply by proclaiming to be queer.
W made the choice to start on the path of her own desires. she continued to feed those desires, choosing to allow them to consume her, blatantly ignoring Truth, brazenly embracing evil and sin, and reveling in it as she does so. if she ever hits bottom and faces her own sin, it’s gonna be a dark day, indeed. she’s a long way from there, though, for what has conceived must give birth, and the gestation period on all these sins is long, and the deaths, multiple, unending deaths, she’s leaving in her wake are tragic and harsh.
i keep thinking there’s an end to depravity, that there’s a bottom, but the Liar, Thief, Deceiver, keeps proving the end seems bottomless. Thankfully, though, there IS an end, because God said so. Whoa to W when she faces her God.
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I suspect some people are aroused by doing taboo things. How is it adults can be attracted to little children? Something evil, sinful in some people.
WRT lesbianism, my wife thinks it is disgusting (and not just from a Christian point of view). Her remarks are along the lines of “as a woman, I know what goes on down there, and don’t want anything to do with that” referring to the female parts.
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I almost couldn’t restart reading after ms marrietta Georgia. Ten years from now this will seem like light reading. We are in a world full of people who are exploring their options for degeneracy before they get cast into the pit. Far more disturbing things coming.
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