Why is the online amateur sex industry attractive to women?

Because it’s the best job on the planet!

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Reader’s Note: This post continues discussing The Rise of the Amateur Sex Industry (2021 January 4).  Readers may like to read this post first before continuing.
In this series, prostitution is defined as the sale of either (1) sexual services, (2) faux relationships (calculated by the hour, number of messages, etc.), or (3) personalized, self-produced, sexually titillating media content — for cash.
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Reading Time: 8 minutes

Introduction

Maybe some of you can remember the song of the seven dwarves.

Heigh ho! Heigh ho!
Heigh ho! It’s home from work we go.
[Whistling]
Heigh ho! Heigh ho! Heigh ho! Heigh ho! …

Nowadays, it’s not men who are whistling off to work, but wimmin who have joined the pseudo workforce in the Online Amateur Sex Industry and Socialization (OASIS).  Since the women started twerking again, the men are now singing a different tune.

Hi hoe! Hi hoe!
Hi hoe! We’re jerkin’ off to your online show.
We’ll watch you prance and sing and dance!
Hi hoe! Hi hoe! Hi hoe! Hi hoe! …

But why the switcheroo of gender roles?  And why would women willingly enter into online prostitution?  This post will examine three major reasons.

  1. The job benefits
  2. The social attention and affirmation
  3. The MONEY!!!

They do it for the Job Benefits

Prostitution is a profession, and just like many other professions, it can be conducted online, including the advertising, scheduling, social networking, client management, and the processing and exchange of information in the form of digital photographs, videos, and live videocam sessions.  For those women who are more adventurous and less averse to the risks, there is also the option of arranging an in-person rendezvous with clients, through online platforms that permit a user selective process.

So from this perspective, working for the OASIS could be considered equivalent to telecommuting.  Once a woman learns basic computer skills, like typing, photo editing, and how to manage a simple website account, she can start her own small online prostitution business and commence trading off the titillating throes of lust to anyone who stumbles across her account and takes a vicarious interest in her fleshwares.

The commodity/service that is being sold is the visual and/or carnal access to the female form and/or image, preferably surrounded by a pleasant, informal environment.

Further, she only has to go to an in-person meeting with a client if and when she chooses to do so.

But better than this, there’s hardly any work required.  A woman can simply lounge around the house in her underwear, drink lattes, watch romcoms, and masturbate at her leisure, and let the cash roll in as the video cameras roll on.  This style of leisure activity is what women prefer to do by default, so working for the camera only requires essentially the same things she would do if she were NOT working.

Now there might be some additional work required for those women who are not so young or genetically gifted.  Supplementary labor in this regard would include losing weight, fitness and/or aerobic training, cosmetic artistry, and washing and blow drying hair every day.

Also, certain women have more advanced and finely honed honeycraft skills, for which there is a huge market demand.  The type of skilled labor required to be the modern equivalent of a Geisha demands real emotional work.  However, this type of labor is also not without hefty rewards.

Best of all, this job pays for all travel expenses!  For some women, the travel destinations include dates with extremely wealthy men in some of the most exotic locations around the world!  Dreams do come true!

They do it for the social affirming, ego stroking Attenshun!

Similar to other professions in the digital age, OASIS has now taken advantage of the conveniences and data crunching opportunities offered by the computer and internet.  Instead of entertaining 5 to 8 johns a day, as was typical in the old days, the mass distribution and broadcasting abilities of the smart phone/computer and the internet can now allow an online hoe to entertain hundreds of e-johns in one online session.

Social attention, in this setting, has been reduced to the equivalent of getting a “Like” on Faysbook.  Of note, “Likes” are also equivalent to “Follow”.  It’s a form of immediate feedback that represents social affirmation, which is, and has always been, chick crack.  Since there are no “Dislike” or “Hate” buttons, it also minimizes the shame of rejection. 

Compared to the investment of time, money, and attention once offered by the suitors of yesteryore, the material value of “getting a like” is reduced online, but nevertheless, the feminine need for attention is well sated, thereby supplanting their instinctive drive for survival that undergirds their need for attention. 

Granted, the men offering this attention are those desperately thirsty men who can’t get a woman in real life.  However, the number of men fitting this bill grows by the hour, and the increased quantity supplemented by the immediate cash profits more than compensates for the quality.

Furthermore, being on the receiving end of that low SMV male attention online is less “risky”, troublesome, and onerous than it is in real life.  Feminism has removed the risk of being $1ut shamed and ostracized for being meretricious.  The removal of the physical risks, although probably lower now than in ages past, are obvious.  Thus, the risks posed by participating in OASIS that are perceived by the female mind are no longer centered around physical safety, health, and reputation, but rather identity theft, doxxing, financial transaction fraud, and being edged out of the market by aging and competition.

Hence, OASIS is empowering in a way that traditional prostitution has never been.

Case Study 1: A discoverie at the Gym!

This story is from RedPillBoomer.

“Believe it or not, this first got my attention by a couple of Christian women I know, both supposedly happily(?) married; and a couple of secular women I know from an educational program I participate in with them, observing their posts on Instagram. While not sexual in nature specifically in their posting, what caught my attention was the NUMBER of POSTS PER DAY they were putting up on Instagram. I’m like, “What are they doing, don’t they have better uses for their time?” Then it hit me, they are after the attention and validation–the MALE attention and validation. It dawned on me, they were addicted to al the attention and validation they were getting–like a drug. I also noticed, they got increasingly what I call, subtly provocative, with their poses and outfits. It didn’t reach slutty levels outwardly, but the innuendo was unmistakable! It didn’t take an Einstein to figure out what they were saying to the men in their sub-communications.”

“[They] started with gym postings. They seemed innocent at first like, “Hey, look at me working out hard in the gym today!” Added to the workout postings were the ubiquitous ‘food shots,’ ‘girls having fun together shots,’ etc. The posts then seemingly began to increase from one here and there, to one every day, then to multiple posts during the same day. I noticed the gym clothes got tighter on the legs (spandex) and around the butt; the workout shirts sleeveless and loose fitting in the beginning, started to get smaller fitting with a little cleavage starting to show. What really did it for me were the posts at the gym evolving from general workout pics to provocatively posed shots of the chest and ass in action during squats, military press, etc. And then, Chad and Tyrone like trainers working with them personally getting into all these provocative poses. It also includes poses with them with their arms around their trainer hugging and ‘celebrating’ breakthroughs in the amount of weight they were lifting or whatever. Who the ћәll does that at the gym?”

Even a modest effort gets extravagant feedback!

The MONEY!!!

Here’s how OnlyFans works [1].

Users charge their followers a monthly subscription fee to see their photos and videos. I assume that this allows subscribers the opportunity to wank with the digital content as much as they please.  OnlyFans takes a commission of about 20%.

Case Study 2: Caroline Wozniacki

Take a look at this statement from one OnlyFans content creator, Caroline Wozniacki.

Notice that she has 101 posts, 45 photos, and 23 videos, and only 59 subscribers!  According to what’s shown on this statement, she made $115.93 on 2016 August 14. That’s just in one day!  If we assume this is a representative sample, and multiply this by 30, then that’s $3,477.90 per month!  Multiplying by 12 yields $41,734.80 per year!

Even a small time content creator can earn a living off of OnlyFans.

Case Study 3: Makayla Samountry

I came across this video on YouTube, in which a young woman “discovers” how much her SMV is worth in today’s dollars.

According to her statement, she attracted 8 followers and she made $405 the first two weeks on OnlyFans.  She had $581 from messages, and $785 in subscriptions after one month!  On her best day, she made $200 that day.  In total, she had over 7,000 views, and she made $1,096.70 in the first month!

She says this supplementary income is exactly what she needs to cover the rent for her 2-bedroom apartment and have “a little extra” to buy her boyfriend Tyler a Valentine’s gift.

She said her boyfriend Tyler said he feels left out, but that he is “fully supportive of her”. He only asks to be sent a copy of anything she uploads to OnlyFans.

If you watched much of the video, you’ll notice how she’s doing her thing dressed very casually, drinking wine, and she is absolutely BEAMING with joy about her experience with OnlyFans.

The thing that makes this interesting is that she is not that great looking. She’s young and has fairly good facial symmetry, but she has a very average body, and a bad case of acne.

Even a very common young woman can earn a living off of OnlyFans.

Case Study 4: Top Celebrities on OnlyFans

Take a look at this screenshot showing the top earners on OnlyFans [1].

The top earner, Black China makes £15,418,259 ($21,034,034.36), and the bottom of the top ten makes at least £800,000 (~$1.1 million) per month! 

This is an insane amount of money made smiling for the camera!

Conclusions

Prostitution is a profession, and just like any other profession, some prostitutes can make more money than others.  And some are more professionally skilled and capable of managing their own business than others.

Prostitution is also a service, and just like many other services in the information age, it has been transplanted online, including the transactions involving the scheduling, distribution of media content, payments, and so on.

Women are under pressures here as well and, as with everything else, how they respond individually to those pressures is dependent on some combination of values, upbringing, options, goals, looks, and age.  It’s all in the mix.

But overall, OASIS is generally advantageous to those women who have the interest and motivation to take advantage of the shifts described above, while being extremely disadvantageous to those women who do not.

All of the reasons mentioned previously and above are why there is no real outcry to get rid of porn, cams, sugar babies, escort sites and the like, at least none that is broad based and loud like many other social causes are today.  Some people do feel very strongly about it, but there is a growing group of women who are, to some degree empowered by it, even if in a relatively small way rather than in a full-time lifestyle way, and it therefore will likely continue and persist in this way in the years ahead.

I predict that it won’t be long until the debut of internet-based “escort agencies”, which will utilize a business model similar to that of temporary workers’ agencies, only online.  They will manage the e-johns appointments with the e-staceys by the hour.  The e-johns will log in with an account number and ask for an “escort” having specified attributes and/or a skill set to be scheduled on a time slot of his choosing.  The e-staceys will try to fill as many time slots as they can, in order to maximize their income.  The e-staceys will be paid by the agency according to what the popular demand for their personal attributes and skills can fetch in the SMP.  And just like a career with the police or military, if an e-stacey can grind it out for 20 years, they may be eligible for retirement benefits.  Government will be happy to look the other way, as long as the tax bucks are proceeding.

References

  1. Respect My Region (Lorenz Dominique): The Truth About The OnlyFans Rich List (2020 October 6)

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85 Responses to Why is the online amateur sex industry attractive to women?

  1. lastmod says:

    Part of this is due to Covid. Younger women can’t go to the “nightclub” anymore, and its just not a “region” or “country” right now. It’s pretty much the whole modern world…. and this validation actually “pays” them….and they don’t even have to put up with “men doing cold approaches” either. It was drifting this way even before Covid…….

    You pay. You get to see. Even if the men using this are “low status men” which was mentioned in a comment on previous post she can delete him, or ban him if she is really uncomfortable or is truly repulsed by his looks if she actually gets to see him. I am sure it is like other social media mediums. The subscriber has a small avatar pic or icon.

    The gal who did a “phone sex talk line” for extyra money in the 1990’s. The ‘Ashley Madison’ thing a few years back. The instagram girls a few years earlier…..the “rinsing” that was paopular during the last recession….but this now gives these women the “control” they need and desire as well. AND…….she isn’t really in any danger per say. She doesn’t get drunk, or drugged in this medium. She doesn’t have to put up with her fellow “catty” sisters in this medium, and after decades of “average” looking women honestly thinking and believing they “deserve” a top 10-20% guy, she could and very well may find him this way.

    Exotic dancers (strippers) have ALWAYS had boyfriends over the years and so the women here having an actual boyfriend but doing this for money is accepted and pretty normal.

    The results of this will put another stake in the heart of “dating / courtship” of the modern era of the 20th century. It’s moving into areas men my age will never understand. Some men in the younger set will adapt and do just fine……..but the gulf again will widen when it comes to marriage. Fewer will find someone, more and more will be regulated to pay to watch, or have to sit at home and burn.

    Where will the church be in all of this? teh red-pilled man-o-sphere? The church will do nothing about it, say very little and offer a “christian” version of this that is wholesome, and young men and women can meet. We have this now, called “christian internet dating” and it will be useless.

    The man-o-sphere will double down and again tell alll men to stop being soy-boys, go to the gym, just-walk-up-to-women-and-ask-them-out-cause-they-don’t-bite

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  2. Novaseeker says:

    The point on the amount of cash OnlyFans can spit out is worth some emphasis.

    Toss out the celebs, for a minute — they’re outliers.

    If you look at the typical OF girl, she is someone who has a small to medium following on Instagram (which is the pipeline, she directs people to her OF from there — you can’t start up on OF unless you have a following, no-one will find you). As Jack points out, an average girl can make a lot of money with not very many guys being involved. The way this works is through the power of aggregation.

    If you charge $10 a month as a baseline, that means if you have attracted 50 subscribers, you’ve made $500. 50 isn’t a lot, if you have thousands of followers on Instagram — you only have to convince a small percentage of them to pay you for revealing OF content, and voila you’ve grown real money on a tree. Up from there, they produce custom content (prices negotiated), or they produce content that is viewable for an additional “tip” — these can be set at any price, and some girls make a lot of money on them. You can see Carolyn Woz is making quite a bit there on tips, as one-offs (you can’t tell from the statement whether those are for specific content “unlocks”, or whether they are from “generous” guys in response to endearing/sexy direct messages (DMs), or otherwise simple gratuities. Either way, they boost the monthly take dramatically — as you can see from the non-celeb girl in Jack’s post, oput of her 1096 in monthly take, around 300 was not in subscriptions, meaning it was in tips — that’s about 1/3, which is a lot.

    In some ways the economics of OnlyFans resembles micro-transactions in a free-to-play video game, and some OF girls structure it the same way. That is, there are OF girls who charge no subscription, give away daily “free content”, and then try to upsell their viewers to lucrative paid content that is racier and/or custom to some degree. As in the case with free-to-play games, it’s known and accepted that a very small percentage of the total number of viewers will actually pay for this content, but it’s priced in such a way to be very lucrative based on a small number of takers — these are known as “whales”, because they spend a lot of money. So you generate a lot of viewers, because you know that only 1% will pay for upsell content. But 1% of 1000 people is more than 1% of 100 people — the entire strategy is based, in other words, on the unique power of the internet to aggregate large numbers of people together, and thereby make what would otherwise be small into something big.

    And many girls take a hybrid approach — sort of like a “buy to play” game, with a cash shop on the side. So subscribers get some racy content for their fee, but even spicier, more personal content is reserved for additional upsell payments (the equivalent of the attractive stuff a game developer may place in a “cash shop” in a video game), which generates very few sales, but is priced in such a way to provide a disproportionate boost to revenue and income per sale. This approach also takes advantage of the power of aggregation and “whales”, but at the same time provides a more stable “floor” or “baseline” of monthly sales at the same time.

    Further, as Jack notes, some of these girls develop person to person skills, or have them before coming to OnlyFans. They reach out to their paying customers in DMs. They respond personally to all DMs made by their paying customers, with tailored messages designed to seduce, draw in, and ensnare them into paying for upsell content at some stage. A woman who is good at seduction, or, say, has worked as a bartender or something like that would have a very easy time doing precisely this kind of thing, as would anyone who has worked in sales. A number of real world skills are transferable to this, in fact, because we are talking about text here, not in-person interaction.

    And, finally, the girls can do live streams and the like to connect with their paying customers (or charge free customers for the right to view on a PPV model), to reinforce the connection, and make it more likely for them to resubscribe and to purchase an upsell or to tip them. And, of course, it should be obvious that these shows can include anything the girl wishes to do, including stripping and other things a girl might do for money in front of a camera.

    The point is this: so many women are on OnlyFans now because it is literally a place where women can grow money on a tree with very little effort. Getting rich there requires them to work it a bit, but as Jack says, this is low effort work, done from home, perfectly sanitized and safe and legal, with no intermediaries. And the fact that so many “legit celebs” are on OnlyFans now only serves to legitimize it further — it is fast becoming mainstream thanks to this, such that any stigma from using it is going to be dissipating very soon, if it hasn’t already done so in many circles.

    It is, simply put, a massive game changing development in the behavior of average women, and something every single man has to be aware of today.

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  3. lastmod says:

    “Granted, the men offering this attention are those desperately thirsty men who can’t get a woman in real life”

    Cite references. Show facts. Ashley Madison fiasco was mostly married men, and men who were fathers. The “rinsing” thing had PLENTY of above average looking men who could afford to do this…the playboy type who just needed a good stream of sex with NSA or committment and who HAD options when HE decided that he needed a “wife and children”

    yeah….only desperate and thirsty men bought “Playboy” back in the day……….desperate men only got escorts………..desperate ugly men with bad haircuts and thick glasses only went to gentlemans clubs………

    And IF….IF it is only desperate and thirsty men who are driving this…………what of it to the men here? What are you doing to equip? To train? To lead? To help? To uplift? To guide?

    “Just read my book / Dalrock says / Rollo says / move to eastern Europe learn the language, the culture meet a whiolesome virginal 19 year old and marry her and get a really, really good job / trust jesus / read my long drawn out psycho-babble with confusing terms on female nature”

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    • thedeti says:

      And IF….IF it is only desperate and thirsty men who are driving this…………what of it to the men here? What are you doing to equip? To train? To lead? To help? To uplift? To guide?

      I help those who want to be helped. I help those who ask for help because they have decided they need the help and are ready to accept help. I help those who tell me “what I’m doing doesn’t work and i don’t know what else to do. Please help.” Which is pretty much what I was saying 10 years ago when I first washed up here. For those who aren’t ready, who don’t need it, or don’t want it, I say and do nothing. This place, this corner of the ‘net, and the content being created now, will not help those who don’t want it, don’t need it, or aren’t ready for it.

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  4. thedeti says:

    Best of all, this job pays for all travel expenses! For some women, the travel destinations include dates with extremely wealthy men in some of the most exotic locations around the world! Dreams do come true!

    This reminded me of the Dubai portapotty girls, from a couple of years ago. Google it. I won’t go into detail here. Suffice it to say it involved Instathots and small time models going on all expense paid 2 week trips to the Arab Middle East with oil sheikhs and other local wealthy men footing the bill, with said women being paid one hell of a lot of money to allow said sheikhs and wealthy men to do things to them that cannot be written about here. One woman wrote she earned $40,000 in 2 days. That same woman wrote that she’d become a millionaire doing this, had now retired, and can have “normal sex with whoever I want”.

    My guess is that most of the women in OASIS won’t be doing that, in part because of Covid, in part because they’re not hot enough, and in part because most women just won’t do it.

    At the time, the Dubai portapotty saga was offered up as ironclad proof that as long as the price is right, at least some women will do pretty much anything. And, we queried at the time, if these women would do, erm, THAT, then wouldn’t most women do lesser things for at least some money? Of course, the answer is: Sure they will. You bet they will.

    It kind of reminded me of the Belle Delphine “gamer girl bathwater” story, where said internet personality earned around $30,000 selling $30 vials of, yes, water she claimed to have bathed in. She marketed this based on repeated comments from her fans that they would drink her bathwater.
    What did Delphine do? Yes. Decide to sell her bathwater. Delphine got around 10,000 people (mostly men, I would guess) to pay her $30 apiece for… water. Used bathwater.

    Some other pornographic actresses have started offering up their services directly to fans. They’ll do certain sex acts with their fans for set prices. The encounters are videorecorded for the fan, who also agrees that the actress can put the video on her website and sell it to others as well, with the option to block out his face to avoid identification. It’s not prostitution because the man isn’t paying for the sex. He’s essentially a volunteer porn actor, who in exchange for his entry fee, gets sex with a hot pornstar and a keepsake video. This doesn’t really seem to have taken off – only a few porn actresses do this, and only a few men are willing to go this far and pay this much for sex.

    That gave rise to the question: If guys would pay a girl for bathwater, and would pay a lot of money to have on camera sex with a pornstar, might they pay a little less money for a monthly subscription to see photos and video, and a chance to interact directly with their favorite internet personality?

    You had to be hot to be a Dubai Portapotty. If these Arab princes were paying top dollar, they were going to get hot chicks. You need a big following to make lots of money selling your used bathwater. Not so with OF girls and camgirls. Just about any woman can make money doing this, because, well, they have female bodies, breasts, butts, and vaginas that men want to see. They don’t have to become portapotties. They don’t have to be quirky, unique internet personalities going through the hassle of marketing, packaging, and shipping tangible goods to anyone. And they don’t have to have sex or ever meet any of these men. All they have to do is be willing to show their bodies on the internet to paid subscribers, and to manage their accounts. That’s it. They don’t earn the money of fullfledged pornstars and they won’t become millionaires engaging in gross, risky behaviors. But then again, they don’t have to – they can earn some money, or even eke out a living, and that’s all they need.

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    • Oscar says:

      This reminded me of the Dubai portapotty girls, from a couple of years ago. Google it.

      No! Don’t Google it! Don’t do it!

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    • Novaseeker says:

      That gave rise to the question: If guys would pay a girl for bathwater, and would pay a lot of money to have on camera sex with a pornstar, might they pay a little less money for a monthly subscription to see photos and video, and a chance to interact directly with their favorite internet personality?

      Indeed.

      In fact, Belle Delphine herself is a top earner on OnlyFans. According to an article in The Spectator last month, she now earns ~ $1.2 million per year on OnlyFans (see: https://spectator.us/belle-delphine-pink-haired-online-sensation/ ). She’s 21. She charges premium rates, too, because she has a large audience — $35 per month — and she posts a LOT, like 30 times a day. So value for money proposition is there, apparently, for fans of her schtick.

      Just about any woman can make money doing this, because, well, they have female bodies, breasts, butts, and vaginas that men want to see. They don’t have to become portapotties. They don’t have to be quirky, unique internet personalities going through the hassle of marketing, packaging, and shipping tangible goods to anyone. And they don’t have to have sex or ever meet any of these men. All they have to do is be willing to show their bodies on the internet to paid subscribers, and to manage their accounts. That’s it.

      Yep that’s right.

      Basically it’s like this. That girl you see walking to and from your apartment who lives in Unit 112? She’s pretty hot, you’ve noticed in the elevator, maybe in the car park, maybe you’ve seen her walking her dog, or in sheer-panel yoga pants coming back from a run, or something. You wouldn’t mind seeing more of her, but of course that’s out of the question. But now, someone just like her has an Instagram and … and OnlyFans, and suddenly you can see her taking a shower, in a livestream, or interact with her in personal DMs and so on, all for a low monthly fee. In a world where many guys are going without sex but the world is drenched in sexual images, this is like taking candy from a baby, to be honest. It really is growing money on a tree.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        Ahem — that’s $1.2 million … per month. Not per year, as I erroneously wrote above.

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      • lastmod says:

        ” You wouldn’t mind seeing more of her, but of course that’s out of the question.”

        Totally out of the question. Most men cannot talk to her not because of “social skills” or being desperate and thirsty…….but for the fact that she WILL say no to 75% of men that appraoch her or more…..except men like you of course…..

        You have no idea. A man like me appraoches this woman. She reports me to the “property management” that I am “harassing her” and now I get a lease violation, or a talking to, and the “rep” of being a “creep” in the apartment complex. Even when I was younger and had a full head of hair….this would happen, and did…not in the same exact way…..but yeah.

        This is the disconnect, and this sphere refusing to accept that most men……even average looking ones now…….have just about zero options, and you all again fall into the usual “beta / orbiter / cuck / pedestalizing women type of man mindset. You have NO idea.

        Yes, you appraoch her and she will agree to a date, or meeting, or chat because you are just average……..and women just want “confidence” in men. She will expect sex on date two, and if you don’t deliever, she will lose interest. Happens all the time. Everyday. All men have this.

        You don’t? You’re a thirsty beta and have no confidence.

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      • thedeti says:

        [Delphine] charges premium rates, too, because she has a large audience — $35 per month — and she posts a LOT, like 30 times a day. So value for money proposition is there, apparently, for fans of her schtick

        If Delphine is earning $1.2 million a month and posting 30 times a day, she’s hustling. She’s working hard. She’s working a LOT harder than most other women doing OF or any other kind of online sex work. And she’s also devised a lucrative business model that other women will duplicate.

        Capitalism FTW.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        If Delphine is earning $1.2 million a month and posting 30 times a day, she’s hustling. She’s working hard. She’s working a LOT harder than most other women doing OF or any other kind of online sex work. And she’s also devised a lucrative business model that other women will duplicate.

        Capitalism FTW.

        Yes. Like I said above, to get rich on OF requires work and effort. Delphine is an extreme case (I think the article in The Spectator portrays that well) and there is more going on there than with the typical OF girl, but yes she is a hustler. I think, though, that there are quite a few “lesser hustles” on OF who are making a lot of money — say hundreds of thousands a year — which is a fraction of what Delphine makes — with moderate hustle that isn’t anything extreme. That’s the point, and it’s the real issue. There are few Delphines, but a lot of lesser versions of her who are still making a ton of money with relatively little effort.

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      • Oscar says:

        there are quite a few “lesser hustles” on OF who are making a lot of money — say hundreds of thousands a year — which is a fraction of what Delphine makes — with moderate hustle that isn’t anything extreme.

        By contrast, the first time I reported six figures on my taxes was the year I turned 40, and that’s with two engineering degrees. Ain’t male privilege grand?!

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      • thedeti says:

        This is the disconnect, and this sphere refusing to accept that most men……even average looking ones now…….have just about zero options, and you all again fall into the usual “beta / orbiter / cuck / pedestalizing women type of man mindset. You have NO idea.

        Jason:

        At the risk of taking this too far afield:

        yes we do have an idea. Men’s romantic and sexual failures created the manosphere for the AFC – the guy who could get things going with women but couldn’t keep them going and he couldn’t for the life of him figure out why, because he’d been doing everything everyone told him to do – be nice, be yourself, pedestalize, supplicate, etc. etc.

        And yes, it has gotten worse for a lot of reasons. The incel/MGTOW wing of the sphere is now by far its biggest faction, with black pillers not too far behind. For men it will continue to get worse and it will get a LOT worse.

        I personally have a lot of sympathy for the men getting left behind. The advice is still the same: either improve oneself to the point of taking the risks for relationships, sexual and otherwise, of whatever character and intimacy one wants or can sustain; or avoid sex and relationships, forget about women entirely, and live one’s life for other pursuits. Yeah, for a lot of men, those are the options. More and more men will go years and decades with no sex. More and more men will have no sex at all. It sucks. Yes. It does. But that’s life right now. The best we can do is devise individual solutions tailored to ourselves, and go forward from there.

        Hardship and hard choices have always been the lot of men. Five hundred years ago, most men’s options in the west were indentured servitude, being a merchant marine and drowning in a shipwreck, disembowelment with a spear or bayonet on a battlefield, or back breakingly hard farm or trade work. That was it. Were I born 500 years ago, odds are one of the above would have been my fate. And I would have accepted it. I would have had no choice but to accept it.

        Yes, I know, easy for me to say because I’m married and have kids and have had sex. Most of it is sheer luck – I could just as easily have ended up a divorce statistic. I came within a hairs breadth of becoming a statistic. I did some work. I made some changes in my life. So did she. It worked, mostly. It’s not perfect, far from it, but it’s better than it was. Had I ended up a divorce statistic I would have had lots of choices to make, and I don’t know what would have happened, except that I’d still be unmarried.

        These are our lives. We all have hardships. We all have things we wish were different. We all have succeeded, failed, experienced joy, pain, hardship, setback, and triumph. All of us. And we are still living, breathing, producing, and sharing our experiences, strength, and hope, in the faint promise that someone out there might benefit from something I have to say. Maybe someone will read my story and the things I write here and elsewhere, and say “hey. That dumb, stupid, worthless deti guy managed to get better. If he can do it, I can too.”

        That’s why I keep coming back here. That’s why I keep writing. That’s why I keep trying to think of new things to say and ending up saying the same things I was saying 5 years ago. Because maybe someone else out there can grab hold of it and use it to make his life better. Will he start having sex? Will he get a wife and family? I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. But maybe he can make changes in his life and be happier. Maybe he can make changes and get more out of the life he has, rather than spending it lamenting what he doesn’t have. Maybe he can zero himself out (as Rollo would say) and go in a completely different direction because the way he’s going doesn’t work.

        I don’t know. I just know that what I had been doing didn’t work, and what I do now does. I just know I’m happier now than I was. I just know we, all of us, need to do something different, because what we had done wasn’t working. I just know that it’s going to get a LOT worse from here on out and we need to get ready. I just know that if I can do something to help another man get ready, then it will not have been all for naught.

        I don’t know. I just know I have to get up and keep moving, because if I stop, I’ll die. I just know I have to get back up when I get knocked down. I just know I need to do what I need to do to survive and keep going. That’s been my whole life, Jason – keep moving. Don’t stop. Get back up. Dust yourself off. Get back on the horse. You will fail. Keep moving. And that’s been your life too – I know because I’ve read much of what you’ve written. That’s every man’s life. That’s our lot as men. That’s our burden, our cross. I watched my dad do this too – just keep going. It’s one of the most valuable things he taught me. And guess what – I’m better at it than he is. I hope my son will be better at it than I am.

        Have I had success – yes. Have I managed to make some money? Yes. Have I managed to get a career and a wife and kids? Yes. Have I failed, utterly? Yes. Many times. But I can’t let those failures stop me. I just can’t. And I have to say this shit that I say on here and elsewhere because maybe someone will look at my life and say “I can do that too.”

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      • lastmod says:

        “That’s every man’s life. That’s our lot as men. That’s our burden, our cross.”

        Excrement

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  5. lastmod says:

    “If these Arab princes were paying top dollar, they were going to get hot chicks.”

    Yes, these desperate and thirsty men who cannot get a woman are driving this.

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  6. thedeti says:

    All of this is just more evidence that women do this for money and attention. At first it was difficult to make money selling your body. You could do it only by nude modeling, doing porn, stripping, and prostitution. Nude modeling was the easiest on a woman and paid the most. An adult magazine spread paid at least five figures, with a Playmate or Pet of the Month pulling $100,000. To do this you have to be extremely physically attractive, and be willing to show the full Monty. Until the internet age, very few women were selected for this. The adult mags used to say they were inundated with resume photos offering themselves up for centerfolds and spreads. Drawbacks are that most women can’t break into it and you have a very short career. Nude modeling is all you’re known for, it’s your only talent, and most mainstream industry insiders won’t take you seriously.

    Doing porn paid less, but if you reached the very top and cultivated a following you could make a lot of money (Savannah, Seka, and Jenna Jameson, who was the last true porn superstar). Drawbacks – it’s just hell on a woman’s psyche. STD risks. They become alcoholics or drug addicts just so they can keep working. Short career because most women just can’t hack it more than 3 or 4 years. The competition is absolutely relentless – there are always younger hotter tighter women breaking into porn. Unless you stay in and go into MILF porn, you’re pretty much done in 5 years or less. You can capitalize on your former porn career by downgrading to stripping where you can still make decent money.

    Prostitution: Lucrative only when you get into the “escort” echelon. You can earn a lot of money, screen and select clients, and reduce risks of injuries and STDs. You can work for yourself too – eliminate the middleman and high priced pimps. Otherwise, this is high risk, low paying work. Most of the women going into this below the “escort” level are low paid and doing so because they have no other viable work skills or to support drug addictions.

    Stripping – You don’t have to be as hot or risk as much or work as hard as a porn actress or hooker. You still make decent money and attention if you’re good. The hours are long and the work conditions poor in most places. It’s still high risk – obsessed fans, stalkers, drunk guys. Some strippers do some prostitution on the side for “good” patrons.

    The first point is that women absolutely love the attention they get from showing their bodies to men, most of whom they’ll never have sex with. Women love the money they get from it. it’s relatively easy money, and they’re earning more money doing online sex work than they could doing anything else.

    The second point is that before the internet age, the ways you made money with your body were (1) very difficult to get into due to selectivity and because most women aren’t physically attractive enough to model; (2) risky and debilitating physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually; (3) hard physical work with long hours; and (4) short careers that didn’t pay enough to justify the tolls taken on body, mind, will, and spirit. Not so with the internet. Virtually any woman can break into this kind of work. You can manage the risks much better by choosing your line of work, your clientele, and your hours. You can work when and where you want. You don’t ever have to leave your bedroom or meet anyone in person. And you can do this for as long as you want, because as we’ve seen, there’s a male fangroup for every female “look” and body type. The MILF subgenre has always been huge since The Graduate came out in the late 60s (Mrs. Robinson being the protoMILF).

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    • Oscar says:

      Short career because most women just can’t hack it more than 3 or 4 years.

      One documentary I watched claimed that it’s more like 3 or 4 months on average, because as you said, “it’s just hell on a woman’s psyche”. It’s worse than a Faustian bargain. The girls all think they’re the next “star”, and that it’ll be all glamour and piles of cash, but in fact they trade something priceless (whatever youthful innocence they have left at 18) for a few thousand bucks, guilt, shame, drug addiction, STDs and an abortion or two.

      So, yeah. A lot of them look at OF, and think they can avoid all that psychic damage, and have complete control of their “career”, and make more money to boot.

      I guess we’ll see how that works out.

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  7. thedeti says:

    And tying this in to Nova’s piece from yesterday:

    Online sex work, OF work, camgirl work:

    1) is as private as you want it to be. The work, and the consumption of the “product”, take place entirely away from the public eye. Few other people know you do this kind of work. Even fewer people know who buy and use the product. (Which raises the question: How long until subscribers will have to agree that OF girls or camgirls can sell their subscribers’ personal or contact information to outfits who want them?)

    2) never has to involve direct, in person, face to face interaction with humans. This is an extension of today’s overall ambient culture where more and more personal, professional, social, business, and commercial interaction takes place online. The interactions are safer, more sanitized, and don’t require a lot of interpersonal skill or savvy.

    Most notably, though, people feel more at liberty to say and do things when they know others can’t see the faces or hear the voices of the people saying or doing them. People will do and say things online in a combox that they would never say to someone else’s face or on a telephone conversation. It’s much easier to plan and think out what you say in a combox, than it is to speak and act in real time, in the actual personal presence of others. The latter requires more trust, knowledge, social skill and practice. (The manosphere itself is evidence of this. Almost all of our interactions are in comboxes. We have all developed distinct online personas. Almost none of us have exchanged private offlist email communications. Almost none of us have had telephone conversations with each other. Almost none of us know what each other look like, and there have been very few in person meetings except private ones and the ones taking place at the male/red pill conventions like 21Con and other such gatherings.)

    So in a lot of ways, the rise of OF and camgirl work “for the masses” was to be expected.

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    • thedeti says:

      It used to be you had to go out and rent or buy your porn. You had to select it, take it to a cashier, while looking at his/her face, dig out your cash, pay it, and take it home. Later, if you rented it, you had to return it. Or it was mailed to your home every week or month, hopefully in a discreet package. But you were on their subscriber list. You had to write a check and mail it in, or give them your credit card number, so at least one big publisher knew who you were. Or you went to an adult movie theater, where people you knew could see you going there or coming out of there.

      If you were going to a strip club, you never knew who you might run into there, or who might see you there. With prostitutes, you risked STDs which could be dangerous and transmitted to others. You risked other people seeing you patronizing hookers. You risked possible arrest and criminal punishment, leading to personal and professional ruin.

      OF and camgirl work are a reflection of today’s culture. They also made it possible for many, many more men to consume personalized pornographic services at prices that almost any man can afford. If you can afford a laptop or smartphone and an internet connection, you can afford an OF subscription to your favorite personality. It’s also a hell of a lot easier than going out and meeting and interacting with flesh and blood humans.

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    • Novaseeker says:

      Most notably, though, people feel more at liberty to say and do things when they know others can’t see the faces or hear the voices of the people saying or doing them. People will do and say things online in a combox that they would never say to someone else’s face or on a telephone conversation.

      Right, and in the OnlyFans type scenario this plays out in the reverse. That is, just as it is easier for guys in the comment boxes on the internet to say whatever, it is easier for an average woman to strip in front of her phone, when she’s otherwise alone, in her own familiar space, with no other real humans present in person or even in voice/video — it becomes more like a limited contact, like posting in a combox is, especially when compared with its real life equivalent, which is stripping live in a seedy strip joint or “Gentlemen’s Club”. It’s easier for the exact same reason, and so down go the inhibitions, especially where there is real cash on the table.

      The internet is changing things. A lot.

      It simply was not possible before OnlyFans for someone like Delphine to exist financially. It also wasn’t possible for the many more numerous “mini” Delphines to exist, either — to make money this way they had to engage in the seedy sex industry, which isn’t at all the same thing as tapping their iPhone. It’s utterly and totally different, and so you are seeing wildly different participation rates — both for women who are generating the content and for the men who are consuming and paying for it.

      We will be looking at a specific case of this as a part of this series — someone who isn’t on the level of a Delphine, but who makes for an interesting case study of how this phenomenon of Instagram –> OnlyFans can play out with huge impacts on people’s lives, even from a much more modest financial footprint.

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  8. Jack says:

    OnlyFans has been around since 2016, but it shot to stardom during the COVID lockdown.
    The number of registered accounts surpassed 100 million on 2020 December 20 at 16:50 p.m.
    As of January 2021, OnlyFans now has more than 100 million registered users and 1.5 million+ content creators on the platform.
    https://onlysearcher.com/en/onlyfans-stats/
    With numbers like this, we probably all know someone who has an account, which emphasizes how easy it is to remain clandestine.

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    • Novaseeker says:

      My understanding is that it used to be a place where porn girls and hookers would go to generate extra cash from existing clients/viewers. Side money. A side hustle for girls who were working in the traditional sex industry.

      It morphed into something for Instagram girls at some point in 2018 and 2019, and the content provider base became more diverse in terms of background (not just sex workers). Then of course COVID drove it into the clouds for fairly obvious reasons.

      And, yes, with 100m users and 1.5m content providers, the impact is large. No two ways about it.

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      • thedeti says:

        100 million users/paid subscribers? That’s an enormous client base. Very lucrative. Of course, that’s worldwide, but still – it will only grow, I would think.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        Yes it’s a large number. It isn’t all paid subscribers, though. I think you can sign up for it without subscribing to anything. Also, I think there are a number of girls who provide free access, so people who have an OF account can join their feed on OF, with the idea of providing some free content and trying to upsell a portion of the viewers — that’s the whale/aggregation strategy I describe above.

        But, yes, 100m is a large number, and it’s important to keep that number in mind when you think about things like the aggregation factor and the ability to make a lot of money with a small number of guys paying.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        Rather, with a small percentage of guys paying. In other words, when you have 100m potential viewers, you only need a small number of them to pay you in order to make a lot of money. For any one girl’s stream that effect is replicated to a greater or lesser degree. So she may have a free feed that has 5000 viewers and then post a stripping video which requires $10 to view. If she gets only 1% of the guys to buy that, she has still made $500 for a 5-minute video. It’s all the power of aggregation once you get the kind of huge numbers that the world of internet + smartphones can serve up.

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      • Oscar says:

        … with 100m users and 1.5m content providers…

        Hang on, that’s fewer than 100 users for each content creator, and not all of those users are subscribers. Does that mean that most subscribers are paying multiple eTHOTs? Are only a small percentage of eTHOTs making a living on OF?

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      • Oscar says:

        I just went back and re-read this part of the article.

        Caroline Wozniacki.

        Notice that she has 101 posts, 45 photos, and 23 videos, and only 59 subscribers! According to what’s shown on this statement, she made $115.93 on 2020 August 14. That’s just in one day! If we assume this is a representative sample, and multiply this by 30, then that’s $3,477.90 per month! Multiplying by 12 yields $41,734.80 per year!

        Even a small time content creator can earn a living off of OnlyFans.

        That’s shocking. Ms. Wozniacki is making a living with only 59 subscribers. She’s not getting rich, but $41,734.80 / year is a living, and that may grow. For a while, anyway.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        Does that mean that most subscribers are paying multiple eTHOTs? Are only a small percentage of eTHOTs making a living on OF?

        Users are not tied to one feed. So the 100m users can be — and I would assume almost all of them are — viewing more than one feed, in many cases including a free feed or two that provides free content and tries to “upsell” the viewers to racier, paid content.

        The key is how the aggregation model works with the concept of “whales” — that is a small percentage of users constituting most of the revenues. It’s like a free to play video game that has 100k players and only around 10k of them, or less, ever buy anything in the game’s shop for real world money, and only a small portion of that 10k spends more than, say, $10. As it turns out, that small percentage actually spends a lot — enough for the free to play game to make a lot of money.

        Therefore the way to look at it isn’t revenue per user, it’s rather that some users provide a lot of revenue, total, to the pie.

        It’s true that most of the content providers aren’t getting rich like Belle Dauphine — she’s one of the richest content providers, and is therefore an extreme case. But a woman can make a good amount of money, in real world terms, with much smaller numbers.

        So, for example, a woman who has a free OF feed where she provides daily “free” pictures, and also upsells people content which viewers can choose to buy. Let’s say she has 500 followers that are monetized an average of $5 per month. She’s making $2500 per month. That can mean that 250 guys are spending $5. It can mean that 150 guys are spending $17 a month, or it could mean that 50 guys are spending $50 a month. Or some combination thereof (likely the case). In all of these cases, at least half the customers are not monetized at all, and she’s pulling in $2500 a month. The more you scale things up, the bigger the numbers get without having to monetize a higher percentage of your viewers. So there’s every incentive to up your viewer numbers.

        If the same woman is able to charge a subscription — let’s say not the $35 that Belle Delphine charges, but a more modest $10 — and assuming her numbers of viewers then drop to 250 (so she loses roughly have of the customers she would have had if she were running a free feed), she is still making a baseline of $2500, and can still selectively upsell. If she manages to upsell that group of 250 guys additional paid content for a modest $3 per month (again, which can be unequally distributed between them, with a few buying a lot more and others just spending their subscription fee), she’s added $750 to her total, and she’s up to $3250 per month, which is $39k. And that’s having a whopping total of …. $250 guys and a lowball subscription fee.

        Again, this is like growing money on trees, and women know it. It’s why it’s growing like wildfire.

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  9. bee123456 says:

    Being a porn star messes with your head and your spirit. Many porn stars die before the age of 38.

    http://www.danielrjennings.org/TheAverageLifeExpectancyOfAPornStar.html

    This data set was limited to recent porn stars that have died. (Yes, some porn stars live longer.)

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    • Novaseeker says:

      Exactly.

      But a woman taking an iPhone video of herself on her bed doesn’t do anything similar to what being on a porn set does. That is the point.

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        Most of the higher profile OF people are literally on sets and managed by people.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        That may be for the top tier, but there are plenty of women who are earning a lot of money who are not on sets, managed by people, and just using their iPhone themselves. People like the one mentioned in Jack’s post here. They make up the lion’s share of the 1.5m content creators, and they are earning attractive money by themselves with their iPhones — no managers, no sets, no pros involved.

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      • lastmod says:

        or their boyfriend is holding the camera type of thing

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      • thedeti says:

        Yeah. Most of the women doing OF work are one-woman operations and sole proprietorships.

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  10. Danny70 says:

    There’s a site called Twitch which used to be just guys playing video games. A couple of years ago women started coming onto the site and would play games in lingerie. They pretend to be single so their simps can hold onto the illusion of dating them. Some of them become comically shameless in demanding men give them money for their “entertainment.”

    https://www.insider.com/invadervie-twitch-streamer-video-shames-broke-viewers-into-giving-money-2020-4

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  11. lastmod says:

    what wasn’t mentioned many of the women slowly got their names and personal details and threatened to “dox” them and shame them. Many of these women kept screen shots of convos too…..if monthly subscriptions were not paid…..they would dox them

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  12. Oscar says:

    Hey, everyone. Jack and I have been working on a possible solution for those who prefer audio / video to text. Here’s a sample. I’m going to remove this video from my YouTube channel in five days. In the meanwhile, I’d appreciate your feedback. Thanks.

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    • Farm Boy says:

      Was a voice changer used?

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    • Farm Boy says:

      I think it works fine. It comes across as an informative podcast. There is a market for those. Perhaps not as big of a market as YouTubes that put on a show, but still a market

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    • OKRickety says:

      Oscar,

      I read much faster and with much better understanding and retention than I can listening to audio (which is essentially what you created), so I don’t care for it. But for those who do like it, I offer the suggestions below.

      Suggestion 1: Create “slides” with the text of important concepts to reinforce them to the viewer, and coordinate them with the audio.

      Suggestion 2: Read/speak more quickly. IIRC, this is important in effective public speaking.

      Suggestion 3: “Slides” could also be used to explain things. For example, “SMV = Sexual Market Value”.

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      • Oscar says:

        OKRickety,

        Those are good suggestions. I’ll have to work on them. Believe it or not, I was consciously speaking faster than normal. Hopefully I’ll improve with practice. Thanks for the feedback.

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  13. redpillboomer says:

    “Being a porn star messes with your head and your spirit. Many porn stars die before the age of 38.”
    Apart from some early deaths of porn stars that have been documented, I’ve read little of the downline consequences for women and men who are porn stars (not talking about the ones who die early, but the one’s who live many years); what ends up happening to them? In the manosphere, we here talk all the time of the non-porn CC rider hitting her thirties and then having difficulty ‘sticking the landing,’ aka getting a Beta Bux to wife her up and overlook the double digit N-count. But these porn star girls, many who were 9s and 10s in their twenties, and who’ve been F’d by hundreds of men, what happens to them after they have completed their ‘careers’ and end up trying to lead a ‘normal life?’ I did hear a couple of manospherian YouTubes recently recounting the struggles of two well-known recent female porn stars trying to re-establish ‘normal’ lives now that they’re in their mid-to-late thirties. Both of these girls were having trouble in the employment arena, where they were trying to start respectable careers. The short of it was they completed their studies/certifications, got their foot in the door working–I believe both were in the medical field in some capacity–then some co-worker(s) complained about the girl’s past lives and the shit hit the fan. Both were removed in some fashion or other (fired maybe?). Not sure exactly what went down with the employer, but they were asked or told to leave. The point of the girl’s complaining and appeal to victimization in their rants was that they were being ‘judged’ for their past lives and not being given a chance to start new one’s. Has anyone read more extensively on this topic? Not necessarily the trying to start a new career angle, but what their lives look like in general once they’ve left porn? I’ve also read of a couple who ‘retired,’ tried to ‘go civilian,’ and then ended up returning to porn because it was the only life they new, and trying to re-integrate into an everyday lifestyle was proving difficult for them in some unspecified way. No specifics were given, just the general statement that they had ‘un-retired’ and were back in porn.

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    • Novaseeker says:

      That can be very difficult to track, because porn actresses, still today, mostly operate under their “nom de porn”, and thereby disappear from being tracked/traced after they retire from the industry. So unless they speak up themselves, they basically fall off the radar screen.

      One I know of is one of the porn girls that Charlie Sheen used to live with, Bree Olson. She left the industry at 25, and has complained about treatment since leaving porn (this has kept her on the radar screen, plus she was well-known due to her connection to Sheen). She is now married to a woman (more common than you think among porn actresses, due to becoming completely jaded with men due to working in porn) and lives in the Midwest. Given her complaints, it appears that porn in her background does hold her back.

      Having said that, however, at the same time, there is now the emerging phenomenon of women coming to porn later in life as a lifestyle/career choice, and not as a “youthful mistake”. One recent well-known example of this is Maitland Ward. Maitland Ward is a former legit actress who was in a couple of TV shows as a teenager and young adult, and then faded away from Hollywood and got married to some wealthy dude. Scroll the tape forward to her later 30s and she is doing ciosplay and sharing pics on … where again? Oh, Instagram. And eventually, after being prodded and asked by her drooling fans, she started to do amateur porn, self-made stuff, and eventually worked her way into actual professional, pornographer-produced porn. In her 40s. Under her real name. As a former legit actress.

      Not to underscore the point too much for those who are having difficulty with the point I am trying to make there: this. is. new.

      Never before have we seen legit actresses go to actual hardcore porn. We have only rarely seen women use their real names in porn, if ever. We have generally never seen women entering the industry in their 40s. All new. All midwifed by: Instagram, improved fitness/health/appearance, loss of stigma. It’s happening right before our eyes.

      And that is with ACTUAL professional porn. Again, the stuff on OnlyFans is different. Almost all of it is amateur, self-made porn, made by the girls themselves, or with another OF girl taking the shots. It isn’t pro material. But even with the pros, there is starting to be the same kind of crossover from legit world to porn world, and Maitland Ward is likely the first of many.

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      • redpillboomer says:

        “,,,(more common than you think among porn actresses, due to becoming completely jaded with men due to working in porn).”

        Interesting. I hadn’t heard this before, but it makes sense. Do you think the jadedness is related to the high N-count, similar to what we here about with the non-porn CC rider, aka ‘the 1000 yard stare?’ Or, does it have to do more with the type of men who are porn stars? I’m guessing many of these men are not the greatest guy’s in the world, personality, character and other-wise. It does open another interesting line of thought, what are these men and women like in real life? I mean, we are used to seeing them in their sexual performance role, but their porn job can only account for a portion of their lives. They still have to live the rest of their lives similar to civilians, i.e. sleeping, eating, shopping, getting their cars repaired, doctor appointments, etc. etc.

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      • Novaseeker says:

        Do you think the jadedness is related to the high N-count, similar to what we here about with the non-porn CC rider, aka ‘the 1000 yard stare?’ Or, does it have to do more with the type of men who are porn stars? I’m guessing many of these men are not the greatest guy’s in the world, personality, character and other-wise.

        I think it’s similar to prostitution in that the women are getting paid to have sex with people they don’t particularly want to have sex with. They may or may not be in the mood that day, like the guy(s) involved, be into the sex and so on — just like a prostitute. It takes a massive toll.

        Added to this is dealing with the sleazy guys (almost all of them are guys) who work in the porn industry. Not the “male talent” per se, but the other guys on set — the videographer, the director, the lighting and sound folks, the fluffers, and others hanging on. Even worse than prostitutes, there is a host watching in person when they are having sex on camera for a pro porn shoot. I am sure that in some shoots it is worse than others (more people around), but it is pretty much never just the actors and one person with a camera.

        In the more professional kind of porn (not the semi-pro porn known as “gonzo”, where it often is just the actors, the camera man and maybe 1 other person), the actors, like in every other film, are taking direction from the cameraman and director. It isn’t like they turn the camera on, the people have sex like a normal couple organically until they are done, and then they turn the camera off. It’s shot like a film — sometimes shots are redone. There are things that are changed based on how they ended up looking, needing to be reshot. There are still shots that are being taken at the same time, so it goes back and forth from posing to sex to posing, and then more direction and so on. It’s a directed film, albeit one focused on sex. Guys are making comments, not all of them nice. It’s a work shoot. Sex becomes work, something that is directed and critiqued and done in very specific ways and angles for the camera, for the eyes of men, and at the direction of a male cameraman or director.

        This can, over time, really turn women off men, unsurprisingly. The women then reach out to each other on set, support each other, like women do. They are all pretty, they are all sexualized, almost all of them have at least had sex with a woman at least once. It isn’t a big stretch for them to have a relationship with another woman, to be honest, after their experiences in professional porn. It’s also why many women prefer to work with other women only in terms of performing in female homosexual porn, even though they aren’t lesbians (almost no porn actresses are), and why that kind of work gets paid less, as well. Women require more compensation to work with men than with women.

        It does open another interesting line of thought, what are these men and women like in real life?

        I don’t think there’s ever been a study or even informal attempt to look at that — again, probably because traditionally women have kept their identities private, and so very much kept a wall between their personal and private lives. So not really subject to being examined much. That may be changing a little due to the use of social media, but I don’t know — I think anonymity in general is treasured by most of the women in this trade, and so it seems unlikely that too many of them are, even now, disclosing much about their private lives.

        The OnlyFans world is different because the women are coming from Instagram, many of them are using their real names, they are not ashamed of what they are doing, they are proud of it in many ways, and are very open about it. It’s a different thing, because it’s a different group of women than the ones who do pro porn, for the most part (other than the pro porn girls who are also on OF — I guess there are likely some of those there who are trying to pick up extra cash).

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  14. Random Angeleno says:

    A few years ago on The Rational Male, there was the commenter “yareally” who posited a huge change in the dating dynamic with the advent of Tinder in 2013. Now we are seeing this window pushed further with Instagram and then OF. I wonder what’s next?

    Which points up an important topic for men: a potential wife will never tell him if she did OF or other sex work. She will presumably have removed all that in her attempts to stick the landing. So how to check that out? Image searches? Phone snooping? Internet archive?

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    • Novaseeker says:

      I wonder what’s next?

      Which points up an important topic for men: a potential wife will never tell him if she did OF or other sex work. She will presumably have removed all that in her attempts to stick the landing. So how to check that out? Image searches? Phone snooping? Internet archive?

      What’s coming next is the normalization/mainstreaming of OnlyFans type activity by women. There are married women who are active with sexual content on OnlyFans right now, like Ana Cheri. Also the fact that so many OnlyFans “content creators” use their actual real names and not fake names like porn actresses have almost always done indicates that these women don’t think they have anything to be ashamed of. And as more and more celebrities pile into the OnlyFans space, that will, in fact, happen.

      So that’s what’s next — because it’s already starting.

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  15. Scott says:

    Hristos se rodi!

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  16. lastmod says:

    When I lived in San Francisco……there was one guy I did cocaine with here and there. This was 1998? 1999? We met at a swank, high-end nightclub, both of us had that look of “you want to do a line?”

    Anyway…we became “drug friends” and here and there we would just go out and get all gacked on cocaine while cruising dive bars……and then back at my place or his to do more when everything closed. It wasn’t a daily or weekely thing. Just here and there I would call him up, or he would call me…..out we would hang.

    He was my age (28 / 29 at the time). He was toned, chiseled, taller than my (and I’m a taller than average guy) and yeah….that guy…..good looking. Very good looking. Now, now……I know what you’re thinking, he was “gay” right?

    No. He was actually “asexual” if there is such a thing. Why? He was a male stripper / dancer at one of the clubs in San Francisco. Let me explain.

    I can’t remember the details…but one night…in a massive drug binge we both partook in…….it must have been 3AM or so….my place…he says “I gotta tell you something……” (here we go, he’s gay right….I am about to be hit on)

    I nodded, gave a listening pose, open to what he had to say.

    He went into how he finds gay men the most vile, and disgusting people he has ever known. He told me about what he deals with at work in the strip club. It was pretty shocking, and I lived in San Francisco. Drugs. Pimp-styled old “gay queens” running the place, graft, machelvian power plays backstage dealing with the staff in this place. I was pretty dumbstruck……..and maybe it was the cocaine…..which can amplify emotions….but a tear dropped out of eye when he finished…..he though held back. Composed himself.

    He then told me that he finds women just as vile and disgusting.

    This guy always turned heads when we were out together. Women blantently sent signals to him. Never to me. They probably assumed I was his manager or agent when we were out. Anyway he continued about how when he dances the shows with women, and for bachelorette parties and other “female events” he was disgusted by the gross and seedy, skeevee behavior by women. He admitted that he did a few porn shoots, and ended up unable to enjoy sex with them. He closed with that he was “just in love with himself” at this point.

    He again almost broke down…..and with me, he knew I wasn’t gay, but ended up “liking me as a friend” (we were cocaine fiends, not friends really….but in that kind of drug scene, I understood at the time what he meant).

    “You didn’t hit on me, you didn’t try to use me for you to get girls to hang with you….you just are someone I trust. I like you. That’s all.”

    I didn’t his full backstory….he, like me was from back East.

    I called him a few months later, and his number had been disconnected. I never bumped into him again for the rest of time in San Francisco (believe me, if you live there…it’s a small city social-circle wise). I don’t know what ever happened to him…….but porn and that industry really damages people in the end who perform it, or live it.

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  17. Sharkly says:

    Do you suppose there is any market among females on OnlyFans for an early 50’s slightly muscular man going through a divorce?
    I’m just asking for a friend who doesn’t really like his current job, and would like to work from home. 😉

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    • redpillboomer says:

      Do you check off all the ’32 other items’ on their Mr. Perfect checklist? And MOST importantly, is the bulge in the BACK of your pants a nice one, i.e. can you fly her to an exotic place every other weekend on your private jet? Than your OF subscription numbers will absolutely explode of the charts! lol

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      • Sharkly says:

        Oh hell yeah! I’ve got three of my business jets circling overhead in a holding pattern just waiting to sweep some lonely girl off to the most exotic destination where all her dreams will come true, and she will finally feel complete. For just $9.99 per month you can hear more about my awesome life, as an international man of mystery, and buy a raffle ticket to actually meet me on my private island. Come see me soon on OnlyFans, Little Brother! /S

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      • Oscar says:

        I’ve got three of my business jets circling overhead in a holding pattern

        Yeah, but are you refueling them in flight?

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      • Sharkly says:

        “Yeah, but are you refueling them in flight?”
        Dude!!! These are carbon neutral renewable energy jets that are fueled by the inexhaustible hopes and dreams of my fans. And like wonder woman’s jet they’re invisible, except when I’m posting pictures with them and my bling and my cash and my hot groupies. Seriously! Just pay the $9.99 and stuff is gradually revealed inside to all my Tier-One fandom. And I’m sure you can get to Tier-One in just a few months if you buy a few private photos or messages each month. Your ride on that invisible jet, to paradise, might be just another raffle ticket away. I like inquisitive people like you, Oscar. You fuel my fire. I wanna be your friend!!! $9.99 ain’t nothing between good friends, am I right? Once your on the inside, you’ll see it was well worth it. Don’t get stingy with me, Oscar. Stingy people are one of my turn-offs. /S

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      • Oscar says:

        @ Sharkly

        That was freaking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

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    • Sharkly says:

      I believe Nancy is almost an example of this sort of online fantasy. She left the absolutely identical same comment at my site today also. And “followed” my site too. However after doing some investigation of her brand new WordPress blog, I decided that she and her comment were almost certainly not legit. In one of her 3 posts she writes a generic bit of philosophy about the rat race that is like an expanded quote from a desk calendar. And at this point she has 139 bloggers that like her post. And her replies back to some of their comments appears to be quite generic and required little time and effort. Here they are below:
      true that thank you for reading!
      glad to see that
      true that!!
      yassss
      glad you liked it
      true that aww thanks for reading!
      haha thank you for reading
      true that

      While each reply is “personalized”, they didn’t require much time. It seems like “she” and other bloggers are just building their followings by trying to find other traffic hungry bloggers who will likely then follow each other. Her young aspiring female lawyer biographical persona also seems designed to try to appeal to the maximum amount of people demographically.

      My apologies, Nancy, if you really thought my new years post was “amazing work”. But, I have not approved your comment, because I personally don’t think my post was “amazing work”, instead I suspect that our budding relationship is a shallow and superficial faux relationship, which I have no time or need for. Give me a “yassss” if you understand. LOL

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  19. redpillboomer says:

    “Short career (Porn) because most women just can’t hack it more than 3 or 4 years.”…
    “One documentary I watched claimed that it’s more like 3 or 4 months on average, because as you said, “it’s just hell on a woman’s psyche”
    Most of these women’s ‘short careers’ occur in their twenties, and create the ‘hell on the psyche’ going forward into their thirties and beyond. Do any of them ever recover from it? Probably should have worded it, “Do SOME find a way to recover from the experience?” And how? Intensive therapy? Religion? Anyone read anything along these lines? How do you come back mentally and emotionally from having sex of a transactional nature with so many men you have no real connection with other than sexual intercourse?

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    • Oscar says:

      Boomer,

      I don’t remember the name of the documentary I watched. Sorry. It was on YouTube, so maybe you can find it. I do remember that it was very well balanced. They interviewed current and former pros. Some (including some men) were very bitter and regretful. Others claimed they had no regrets. One lady claimed she’d become a Christian.

      I have a hard time believing the people who claimed they had no regrets.

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    • lastmod says:

      Redpill, you had plenty of sex with no real connection when you were younger.How did you get better? You all claim this “:jesus” who can overcome and heal all……and when someone tries……you throw the impossible up. This shows to me, and others that your faith is just a show, or Sunday thing.

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    • Novaseeker says:

      Anyone read anything along these lines? How do you come back mentally and emotionally from having sex of a transactional nature with so many men you have no real connection with other than sexual intercourse?

      It’s one of those areas where all we have is spotty information. Only the ones who are interested in discussing their impressions, either way, are the ones who have shared them. Most simply fade away into anonymous lives after the industry, and we will never know the impacts. For women who do come forward who were formerly sex-for-pay (either hookers or porn actresses) they tend to fall into the categories Oscar mentions — one or the other side. But they are self-selected, on both sides, and relatively few in comparison to the overall number who have participated. We don’t have systematic studies of life outcome data for these kinds of people, probably because they are both hard to identify (again, they fade into anonymity when they quit, they don’t advertise their former work, mostly) and because any study of the topic that isn’t fawning and obsequious would likely not attract funding, and the golden rule of academic research is that which is not funded is not studied.

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  20. lastmod says:

    Oh I don’t know Oscar….you’re the man with the two degrees in engineering here….figure it out on your own…or ask someone else, I am sure they could answer this (yawn)

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    • Oscar says:

      figure it out on your own

      I don’t read minds.

      or ask someone else

      Neither does anyone else. So, when you say “you all claim this ‘:jesus’ who can overcome and heal all”, whom specifically do you mean by “you all”?

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  21. lastmod says:

    You’re a big boy now Oscar…..a wife, bunch of kids, great family, good career……this is easy for you all to figure out. Neither does anyone else?????? Anyone else hasn’t even replied.

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    • Jack says:

      Lastmod,
      Have you checked out Ed Hurst’s blog?
      https://jehurst.wordpress.com/
      I encourage you to start reading his posts on a regular basis. He’s got some insights that might be interesting to you. His work has helped me a lot. Also, you won’t get any “kickback” there because he allows ZERO argumentation in the comments section.

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      • lastmod says:

        I have. One has to have an advanced degree in pre Hebrew Hellenistic culture and intense Bible knowledge. He also frankly has made some bold assertions about me here “that cannot be argued” because God has deemed him a prophet or something

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    • Oscar says:

      this is easy for you all to figure out

      Who is “you all”?

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  22. lastmod says:

    I’m sure its in the Bible somewhere…..

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  23. lastmod says:

    What do you care what I say or think anyway? “enlighten you” that’s a hoot. You know pretty much anything and everything already. Talk to jesus about it. He’ll slip you the answer I am sure….you all seem to have a direct line to heaven in here

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    • Oscar says:

      What do you care what I say or think anyway?

      If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t ask.

      You know pretty much anything and everything already.

      If already knew, I wouldn’t need to ask. I don’t read minds.

      you all seem to have a direct line to heaven in here

      Who’s “you all”?

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