Scott’s conclusions on courtship and marriage incubation

American Dad outlines the purposes and challenges of devising a path to successful marriage.

Readership: All

Scott K. is the host of Ljubomir Farms, and he previously hosted the American Dad site. From 2013 to 2015, he started a weblog promulgating institutionalized courtship procedures for Orthodox Christians. That site was called Courtship Pledge (Archived ca. 2015). Unfortunately, this site crashed, and his contributions were not recovered. Notwithstanding this loss, he took what he learned from that experience and established an online matchmaking service for Orthodox singles.

As a blissfully married husband and father, he remains intensely enthusiastic about the institution of marriage and family. He has written to me privately to express that he would like to periodically submit guest articles to Σ Frame in response to the page on Courtship Models.

Please welcome Scott!


Thank you Wayne, for your invitation to discuss this on your venue.

Here’s how I approach the problem of courtship right now:

Let us first attempt to surmise what the Christian Manosphere has reached consensus on. I do not presume to know this outright, but I think I probably have enough “chops” around the ‘sphere to weigh in on what that looks like to me. So, this is what I think.

  1. “Marriage,” as we who write around here understand it, is essentially outlawed and those who are practicing it and discussing it openly are at great risk to losing their freedom, their livelihood, and the very families they enjoy. Therefore, any serious discussion of the topic must include an acknowledgment that, based on the strict definition of the term, we are antisocial.
  2. Marriage is an institution that, in a rational-Christian civilization takes two otherwise unrelated people and makes them next of kin*. It consists of a hierarchy, with the husband at the top place of honor and authority, and that rational-Christian civilization, were it to exist, would reinforce the marital hierarchy in law and all the surrounding institutions as well.
  3. Attempting to discuss a singular “purpose” of marriage in such a large and diverse group of Christians from different faith traditions is probably less fruitful then acknowledging what strong marriages actually accomplish. That is, they are an incubator and perpetuator of the values held most dear to a people. This is true of ANY good institution, which is why others such as the military, the Boy Scouts, ad infinitum, are considered failed ones by the entire Manosphere. When you use this rubric and ask yourself, “What values could we perpetuate in a strong marriage-based culture?”, the rest of the debate about its “purpose” seems to fade away. All those other institutions have failed to perpetuate values across generations. Marriage is no different.
  4. All the debate about whether or not there is a core “American” ethnic or cultural identity aside, it does not offer a set of values that most in the Christian Manosphere can agree on moral grounds are worth perpetuating. This might be considered liberating to some Christians who wish to shed “American” values as an anchor point for what is to be perpetuated.
  5. The institution (and its leaders) that should be standing most firmly by the side of those wishing to live this marriage ideal out in practice–the church–is currently doing the most damage after ingesting a number of poisonous philosophical viewpoints (chivalry, feminism, egalitarianism) and is most likely hopelessly anti-marriage at this point.
  6. Even those of us who are fiercely in opposition to these developments and are committed to living out the truth of marriage at home are converged on some levels (due to living in the culture), and even if we were perfect, our single-family entities are surrounded by people who think we are crazy.
  7. Those of us with small children, who can envision a future marriage for them cannot simultaneously see a way to help them accomplish it in the context of number six without dramatically exiting the culture, which would require near-unlimited funds and defense against litigation, ostracizing, and so forth.
  8. When Dalrock asks the question, “Is marriage for the elite?“, one cannot simply dismiss this as a rhetorical device. Using present company as an example, I am not willing to marry off my children to “just anybody” and insuring the kind of marriage we are dreaming about must include discussion of limiting their options to something like “the elite”, even if you mean “holy.” No matter how you slice it, you are looking at a tiny target of folks on the bell curve. A strong marriage culture does not currently exist, so only those with certain traits, appetite for risk, and so on can accomplish it right now.

All of these conditions create the context under which parents in the Manosphere would be trying to create a new mate selection model. If it could be done, it would, by definition be small, outside of cultural norms, very expensive and very risky. I therefore proposed some years ago, on my courtship pledge website a small list of “must haves” in an effort to broaden the tent under which some folks might be interested. This was intended to be a discussion about, “What are the bare minimum requirements for a mate selection process to be consistent with Christian values?” Even so, it was considered so weird, so unrealistic, as to be unobtainable.

I stand ready to open the discussion again, my children being several years older and the crisis even hotter than ever.

* HOW it makes those two strangers next of kin is a matter of debate amidst the Manosphere. This writer understands this process to be achieved via sacrament, performed by a duly ordained priest with holy orders traceable through lineage and apostolic succession. It transcends time and space and is eternal and permanent. Others see it as contract, and others still as a covenant.


Related

Advertisements

About Jack

Jack is a world traveling artist, skilled in trading ideas and information, none of which are considered too holy, too nerdy, nor too profane to hijack and twist into useful fashion. Sigma Frame Mindsets and methods for building and maintaining a masculine Frame
This entry was posted in Child Development, Choosing a Partner or Spouse, Courtship and Marriage, Culture Wars, Discernment, Wisdom, Organization and Structure, Relationships, Stewardship, Strategy and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink.

6 Responses to Scott’s conclusions on courtship and marriage incubation

  1. Pingback: Reforming Divorce Laws | The Lexet Blog

  2. Scott says:

    Thanks again for letting me throw this out there.

    I’ve noticed a renewed interest in the topic around the ‘sphere.

    My contention is that there needs to be a graduated, longitudinal effort from two fronts.

    Those who are already of marrying age (and possibly divorced).
    Those who have small children.

    Both groups need to work together to crate a culture of marriage and need to be gracious about the situational needs of the other.

    Many men look to me (or guys like me) and have the response “well that’s great but how am I supposed to find a wife? I’m 22.”

    And this is a heartfelt reaction and I want to empathize and work together to find a two front solution.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Jack says:

      You’re welcome. It’s my honor to host your article.

      There are a lot of people coming at this from different perspectives, all having a vested interest in the endeavor. Young people who are interested in this obviously want a spouse. Mid-lifers are probably the most diverse, in terms of motives and views. Older people either have a lifetime of joys, or a lifetime of hard earned lessons to share.

      Like

  3. Ed Hurst says:

    I admit to no interest in Orthodox Christian religion, but I do agree that Western Civilization at large and American society in particular are doomed. And it’s awfully hard to find a valid path to marriage in our world, in part because Western corruption has leaked into a lot of other places. I’m a counter example, having found a marvelous submissive and faithful woman, and we’ve been together 40+ years, but from my own experience giving pastoral counseling, I feel pretty isolated in that achievement. There really is no easy path; all we have are miracles until we can build a substantial parallel society in some ways like Jews have done it.

    Like

  4. Pingback: Called to return from exile | Σ Frame

  5. Pingback: We Know We Need It | Do What's Right

Leave a Reply

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s